MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[MyBelle]

Do you think they thought LE would not check their phone records and ditching the phones would be good enough to hide the 2:30 A.M. phone call?

This is a couple that seems to sincerely believe announcing to the public that she failed a poly is somehow to their advantage.

JMO

 

[elepher50]

In the Sabrina Aisenberg case the mother said she forgot to lock the door, too. (5 month old baby taken in the middle of the night, never found...)

How awful .. I am not familiar with this case. What was the prevailing theory .... stranger/family?

 

[CatFancier]

See that is kind of what I am getting at and I have never thought about this before.

Do you really have a memory of forgetting something like that? Or do you just assume you forgot it when presented with evidence?

Is she just saying she forgot because she was presented with evidence that it wasn't locked as in it wasn't broken into?

Do you really actually have memories of not doing something? Or do you just not have a memory of doing it?

When I left mine unlocked the other night (found in the morning), I looked at the lock and instantly remembered how I was going to go lock the door the night before and got busy and never did.

 

[secretagent]

I think it is too...what's your take on the dad checking the boys rooms first?

So let me get this straight- 4 minutes is far too soon to call 911 , 2 hours is far too long, what is the "right" length of time for parental response?

 

[grandmaj]

I think it is too...what's your take on the dad checking the boys rooms first?

I don't know. It would seem logical that you would go to the closest bedroom and work your way around. Unless there was a bathroom nearer the boys in which case I could see him hitting the bathroom, checking on the boys and working back to the baby's room.

The 2:30am call from the house makes me start sliding off this fence though because that was never in the timeline and, the way LE is throwing that out there is to me anyway a hint that they want someone to know they know some things that someone hasn't been honest about.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Why, Yes....of course. And LE knows many of the details, I have to believe. They are applying pressure where they feel its needed.

I don't automatically trust LE in every case. Take Holly Bobo's disappearance.....I think LE has made a mess of that. However, in this case, they were praised early on. LE has been great at providing numerous press conferences and keeping the public informed. I hesitate to turn on them just because I don't like the direction of their theory. Matter of fact, their openness is the very thing we seek in criminal cases. Because of this, I have to relinquish my ideas that this couple is absolutely innocent...and reconsider some things that I had earlier rejected. In other words, I am trying to stay "open."

Difference is that the FBI is involved right away in this one because it is a minor. MOO.

There are a lot of maneuvers I see being done that the special agents use after profiling their suspects. MOO.

 

[gwenabob]

I agree. It is really something to purchase a home at 18 years old. Seems almost impossible, unless someone in his family owned it before and gifted or sold it to him. Can't see how an 18 year old would have established credit to qualify for mortgage or could have worked long enough to buy a house outright.

That was my thought as well. And he has an 8 year old and is only 28? I know that in itself is not that unusual, but Jeremy seems to have had a lot of responsibility from a very young age.

 

[JoeFromLB]

The FBI is searching the landfill again:

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-search-mo-baby-leads-kan-landfill-191826295.html

 

[HatesSociopaths]

How awful .. I am not familiar with this case. What was the prevailing theory .... stranger/family?

Two camps, both strong. Case was severely botched in the investigation, IMO. There are threads here about it. Here is one:

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8632"]FL FL - Sabrina Aisenberg, 5 months, Valrico, 24 Nov 1997 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[bessie]

See that is kind of what I am getting at and I have never thought about this before.

Do you really have a memory of forgetting something like that? Or do you just assume you forgot it when presented with evidence?

Is she just saying she forgot because she was presented with evidence that it wasn't locked as in it wasn't broken into?

Do you really actually have memories of not doing something? Or do you just not have a memory of doing it?

I get what you're saying, Doc. You wouldn't think, gee, I remember that I forgot to lock the door. That's silly. About the only way I can think of that you'd "remember" you "forgot" is if you make a ritual of doing it at the same time each night. In that case, it might dawn on you later that you didn't do it.

 

[EllaMae]

Thanks. A viable theory may be that the poor child flipped over the railing and hit her head then, cause she is way too tall for the mattress to be that high. I don't mean to be disrespectul at all to little Lisa but if that bed was in the position shown in that picture on the night she disappeared then a terrible accident could have occurred I might also go so far as to say probably occurred.

Perhaps that is part of the deception. She was never put to bed in her room?

Per my pediatrician...it's highly unlikely that falling out of a crib onto a carpeted floor will seriously harm a baby. My middle daughter was trying to climb out of her crib,and fell out. In a panic I called her DR, and he reassured me that it was very common for babies to fall out of cribs and bump their heads. He said that falling out of a grocery cart onto a cement floor is one of the more dangerous falls for a baby, but not out of a crib.
I think if Lisa had suffered some kind of an accident that Debbie would've called 911. There's no reason not to. Children have accidents all the time.

 

[marge_rita]

See that is kind of what I am getting at and I have never thought about this before.

Do you really have a memory of forgetting something like that? Or do you just assume you forgot it when presented with evidence?

Is she just saying she forgot because she was presented with evidence that it wasn't locked as in it wasn't broken into?

Do you really actually have memories of not doing something? Or do you just not have a memory of doing it?

Interesting question Dr. Fessel. I have no problem admitting that I have NO MEMORY of things I forget. :waitasec: lol

If I forget to hang my phone on the charger before going to bed, I still lay in bed thinking I hung the phone on the charger. When I get up the next day, I'll swear I hung it up.
imo

 

[norest4thewicked]

The FBI is searching the landfill again:

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-search-mo-baby-leads-kan-landfill-191826295.html

AGAIN? As in right now? They searched it today earlier...is that what you meant?

 

[Kimmer]

Here is my take on a kidnapper taking the cell phone, for the most part I think the general public is aware that phones can be tracking with cell phone pings, So if someone is going to steal a child, why on gods green earth would you want to have 3 phones on you that could show your point of travel, yes I understand they could be dumped but it is not like you are going to steal them and then just dump them right around the corner from where you took them from, So for that reason I think the phones were not taken or dumped by a kidnapper.

 

[marge_rita]

Do you think they thought LE would not check their phone records and ditching the phones would be good enough to hide the 2:30 A.M. phone call?

That's what I think HS. There's a chance someone in say a panic mode didn't think clearly about the phone records.


imo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

This is a couple that seems to sincerely believe announcing to the public that she failed a poly is somehow to their advantage.

JMO

Dr. Ablow said he thought that pointed to innocence.

 

[JoeFromLB]

AGAIN? As in right now? They searched it today earlier...is that what you meant?

Yes, I think so. The article is only 40 minutes old, but it just says "today" as far as time of the search is concerned. I should have gone back to read the whole thread, but I'm just too tired tonight.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think that link is about the search from today, not right now.

 

[mysteriew]

OK so Dad got home at 4am and then in 4 minutes of checking the boys first then the baby dialed 911? Too tight a timeline IMO.

I don't know that it is too tight. Dad may have gotten home around four. I'm thinking he may have been 5 or 10 minutes early. He was traveling at night so there would have been little traffic. When he got home the light was on so he may not have been watching the clock too close. He checked Debbie and kids, found Lisa missing and knew she wasn't of an age that she could run around, she couldn't open the door and she couldn't turn the lights on so he didn't need to make a decision on whether to call or to look for her more.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think it was just posted 40 some minutes ago but is a synopsis of today. You got me scared there for a minute!