MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[Deleted member 39678]

It is hard to understand all the why's in all this technology for me... but I have seen alot of good things come from it. Stands to reason there would be just as many negatives!! I do know that I learned that the batteries have some of their power allocated just for this purpose. The battery powers down when it reaches this point and the reserve power is strictly for this purpose. I also was told that this partition will also power a 911 call.... but only the 911. So if your phone is "dead" and you need 911 - go for it, I am told it will work.

Sounds great. I wish someone had told me that when I got my last phone. I guess if I only wish to call 911 I never have to charge my phone. .
I need to apologise. You should make sure your phone will work in case of an emergency. I'm not sure you have gotten the best advice.

 

[mrsu]

The GPS tracking is an enhancement for 911. A few years ago, a young couple became lost in a rural area in a Nebraska blizzard. The boyfriend was driving and was high on drugs. He called 911 for help but was unable to assist LE in finding them and the county didn't have the enhanced 911 capability. His conversations with the 911 operator were released to the public and are heart-wrenching. It was a tragedy that hopefully won't happen again.

JMO

I remember that. They were so drugged out they talked about cows and stuff.

 

[KarmicLaw]

The one thing that I think is an automatic prejudice against the parents is the "failing of the polygraph". I immediately go back to the parents of Breanna Rodriguez who came right out in the press to publicly admit that they were "told" they failed the polygraph. I liked that the husband was suspicious in thinking that LE uses that as a tactic to divide and conquer by creating distrust in the parents as well as a strategic move on the part of LE to shake up a guilty party. However, as we all now know...the tragic death of Breanna had absolutely nothing to do with her parents and therefore, I place absolutely no weight on a failed polygraph. In fact, I think it's a cheap shot to parents, but I understand the often questionable practices by LE as part of a missing person investigation. I just hope that someone abducted this child because they wanted a child and not because they wanted to kill her. It's just a horrible situation, period.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I am pleased to see that one of our local stations continues to have Lisa's story front and center on their site. (We're about 3 1/2 hours due south of KCM).

 

[grandmaj]

OK I'm almost 24 hours without a nap. See you tomorrow. Let's hope there is news.

 

[bessie]

This article has good information on cell phone tracking and GPS.

GPS cell phone tracking is commonly related to a third-party having records of either real-time or historical mobile phone position, while Navigation deals with the handset user determining ways to get from point A to point B.

Tracking Application “Persistence”. The tracking software on a handset typically need to be enabled by the user. Relying on the smartphone, the software may persist – remaining enabled when the phone is switched on after having been switched off. This particular function may be particularly handy if cell phone tracking is important and you do not want to instruct anyone using the telephone to turn tracking off and on.

http://www.citizensreport.org/2011/10/07/parental-tracking-phones-your-smartphone-may-be-dumber-than-you-imagine/

Goodnight, everyone. Prayers for baby Lisa.

 

[MyBelle]

The one thing that I think is an automatic prejudice against the parents is the "failing of the polygraph". I immediately go back to the parents of Breanna Rodriguez who came right out in the press to publicly admit that they were "told" they failed the polygraph. I liked that the husband was suspicious in thinking that LE uses that as a tactic to divide and conquer by creating distrust in the parents as well as a strategic move on the part of LE to shake up a guilty party. However, as we all now know...the tragic death of Breanna had absolutely nothing to do with her parents and therefore, I place absolutely no weight on a failed polygraph. In fact, I think it's a cheap shot to parents, but I understand the often questionable practices by LE as part of a missing person investigation. I just hope that someone abducted this child because they wanted a child and not because they wanted to kill her. It's just a horrible situation, period.

I think that BreeAnn's parents continued cooperating with LE, even after being told they failed the poly.

JMO

 

[CHICANA]

The one thing that I think is an automatic prejudice against the parents is the "failing of the polygraph". I immediately go back to the parents of Breanna Rodriguez who came right out in the press to publicly admit that they were "told" they failed the polygraph. I liked that the husband was suspicious in thinking that LE uses that as a tactic to divide and conquer by creating distrust in the parents as well as a strategic move on the part of LE to shake up a guilty party. However, as we all now know...the tragic death of Breanna had absolutely nothing to do with her parents and therefore, I place absolutely no weight on a failed polygraph. In fact, I think it's a cheap shot to parents, but I understand the often questionable practices by LE as part of a missing person investigation. I just hope that someone abducted this child because they wanted a child and not because they wanted to kill her. It's just a horrible situation, period.

I'm glad u reminded me of that. Excellent point.

 

[cleo612]

I wonder if the location where the neighbor saw the man carrying a baby that night is on the way to the apartment complex where they had the dumpster fire early Tuesday morning.

 

[KarmicLaw]

I am pleased to see that one of our local stations continues to have Lisa's story front and center on their site. (We're about 3 1/2 hours due south of KCM).

It's all over CNN tonight. Perhaps it was a beneficial strategic move on the part of the parents to get the national attention they needed to get the public more involved. On the other hand, I never underestimate the capacity of a guilty parent to attempt to manipulate the media. It does usually backfire...ala Susan Smith...but I am in San Diego and I will forever be haunted by watching the endless interrogation video tapes of the brother of Stephanie Crowe. One can immediately understand why a person can appear to "confess" when they are really responding to a near delirious attempt to answer as to how one imagines the crime could have happened if you have been convinced that you are guilty but can't recall the act. I have an inherent distrust of untaped interrogation tactics, such as those that occurred in the Amanda Knox interrogations....because it is a form of emotional torture that only ceases once you give LE what they were hoping to get....whether it was factual true or not.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The one thing that I think is an automatic prejudice against the parents is the "failing of the polygraph". I immediately go back to the parents of Breanna Rodriguez who came right out in the press to publicly admit that they were "told" they failed the polygraph. I liked that the husband was suspicious in thinking that LE uses that as a tactic to divide and conquer by creating distrust in the parents as well as a strategic move on the part of LE to shake up a guilty party. However, as we all now know...the tragic death of Breanna had absolutely nothing to do with her parents and therefore, I place absolutely no weight on a failed polygraph. In fact, I think it's a cheap shot to parents, but I understand the often questionable practices by LE as part of a missing person investigation. I just hope that someone abducted this child because they wanted a child and not because they wanted to kill her. It's just a horrible situation, period.

Although I'm not familiar with the case you speak of, I do agree that we all should view a polygraph test with some suspicion. I see it as a tool for LE, but not as evidence. I believe that much more evidence needs to be found and released before Deborah and Jeremy are considered suspects in baby Lisa's disappearance. MOO

 

[Lera213]

The bedding, LE most likely used special lighting to find any trace evidence, then luminol. My guess is the bedding was changed after the fact. No traces picked up and luminol showed zip. Why take the crib bedding if they know it was fresh bedding?

 

[Melanie]

Yes, I understand those features. But do they work with a phone that is powered down? How about if the battery is dead on the device?

powered down/phone off = has power and tracking services, if applicable to the phone and provider, would work.

dead battery/battery removed=no power. No cell phone will work if it doesn't have a power source. This includes GPS/pings/911 call capability.

That's how I take it to mean.

Mel

 

[Curious Me]

The bedding, LE most likely used special lighting to find any trace evidence, then luminol. My guess is the bedding was changed after the fact. No traces picked up and luminol showed zip. Why take the crib bedding if they know it was fresh bedding?

A stranger leaning into the crib to grab the baby might've lost a hair in the bedding is the only thing I can come up with. I also think LE would want to prove the baby was actually laying in those particular sheets earlier, and that the bedding hadn't been changed.

 

[Trident]

Exactly and that is what this program was all about. That phone companies could track where you went and not tell you they were doing it. And it also talked about taking pictures on your phone. That there is a capability in the picture code that people can tell exactly where the pic was taken. There is some software out there now. This show was scary. And they were saying there is a way to turn this off but few people even know about this tracking let alone how to turn it off.

Well good luck on anyone tracking mine. I'm from an "older" generation and leave mine at home on the charger 99% of the time because I forget I have one and leave home without it. I used to keep it in my purse, then after a week or 2, I discovered it didn't work - no charge, LOL.

I also remember when I "forget" things. I seem to have a built in review that will take me back to when I "didn't" do something, such as lock my door. By then, of course, it's too late, and yeah, I've had a neighbor knock on my door and hand me my keys. The point is, I'm EXTREMELY careful about lock doors and windows 99.9% of the time, but it only takes ONCE for something bad to happen.

 

[Lera213]

A stranger leaning into the crib to grab the baby might've lost a hair in the bedding is the only thing I can come up with. I also think LE would want to prove the baby was actually laying in those particular sheets earlier, and that the bedding hadn't been changed.

Well using the lighting to find trace evidence I'm sure since the mother had long hair there should be several of her hair in the crib wouldn't you say so? Now suppose LE found ZIP! Suppose they could tell those sheets came from the linen closet and that crib was made up after the fact. What did they hope to gain from taking it what kind of detergent they used? I'm just saying, nobody can really make out why LE left it and didn't take. It really means nothing.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

powered down/phone off = has power and tracking services, if applicable to the phone and provider, would work.

dead battery/battery removed=no power. No cell phone will work if it doesn't have a power source. This includes GPS/pings/911 call capability.

That's how I take it to mean.

Mel

Thanks for the info. I still don't understand why a phone needs to be tracked when its off. I guess to be able to find it if its stolen. Maybe we need to put tracking chips on everything of value that we own. I better stop now before I go too far OT.

 

[Lera213]

For all we know is they did take it and this is a second set of bedding that family member placed on the bed and cleaned up the room. Suppose they picked up items off the floor and such, and placed in crib. To me the photo looks like items were placed there to show the mother had all the items to care for a baby girl. If on the floor the bath and such wouldn't be in the frame. I mean we can go on and on speculating. I just don't put much into the bedding aspect.

LE is not the only person working this case, they do have the FBI on it also. I will believe every word they say before I would these parents because statistics are on my side. MOO

 

[MsFacetious]

How did the parents know why the alleged kidnapper took the phones?

If I realized my baby was missing and went to get my phone and it was gone...
I would probably guess the two were connected.

A baby and a phone are not like a DVD player and a VCR.
They don't have a lot in common.
Except you might use a cell phone to photograph your baby and you would use it to report that baby missing.

I guess it's possibly the person came in thinking "I am going to take the baby and their cell phones."

Or "I am going to take their cell phones... ooohhh look, a baby!"

Or, "I am going to take their baby... ohhh I could sell those phones!"

But I think it is more likely, that like other cases of burglary around the country... they took the cell phones to delay the 911 call.
(Other case(s) are linked in earlier thread(s) I believe?)

If Mom had woken up immediately as the person left the house with Lisa, she still would have had to go get a neighbor before calling.
Possibly getting the boys out of bed first to take them with her.

It didn't delay much after Dad was home, but before that... it would have at least a little bit.

If the phones were right there in one spot, why NOT grab them as you are passing on your way in or out?
Especially if you want pictures of Lisa and/or your number might appear in a phone?

I think the guess the parent's took is a reasonable one... and I wouldn't be surprised if it was strongly validated for them by LE.
For YEARS criminals have cut phone lines for the same reason.
If there is no phone line, why not take a cell phone right in front of you instead?

Criminals change with technology too...
Taking cell phones which are in plain sight when there is not phone lines to cut, just doesn't seem that odd.

I guess I am not understanding why the "they took the phones to delay the 911 call" theory is so far out there?
The whole thing is a very odd concept... I understand.
Just like Polly, Elizabeth, Ramy and Jessica. But they happened...

 

[JeannieC]

Good morning. Let me offer a cell phone tip that saved my sisters' friend's life. Her daughter suggested she not get rid of her old cell phone but instead get a car phone charger for the phone and keep it in the car. Never unplug it from the charger.

Each time she goes anywhere she connects the old phone to the cigarette lighter. She unplugs it when she gets out of the car but leaves it on her seat so she'll remember to plug it in. Her active phone was usually on her lap, on the console, or in her purse. Like most of us.

One night while on a trip she lost control of her car on bad roads. Went down an embankment and was trapped in the car. She couldn't move and no one saw her. She had serious injuries. Had no idea where her phone was but she was able to reach the phone cord and call 911. It saved her life.

I now do the same thing. Even if the phone is thrown to the floor you can almost always reach the cord if its plugged in.

It only takes one time of not being able to reach it. I just leave my old one plugged in all the time. Either way works if you remember to plug it in.............lol I don't so I just don't unplug it.