MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[luvbeaches]

A child's accidental death staged to look like a kidnapping? Were have I heard that before? If LE did not talk to those boys they dropped the ball big time.

Do the parents have to give permission for this to happen? The reason I ask is because I don't think, and I could be wrong, but I dodn't remember Susan Powell's kids being interviewed by LE. The parents don't have to talk. They are under no obligation to speak to the police, so I wouldn't think the police could just talk with the kids without the parents agreeing to it, and if they're not talking, I would be they aren't allowing their kids to be interviewed.

 

[Guardian_Angel]

What exactly does he mean by this statement ?

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

This is so very sad. Praying for Baby Lisa's safe return.

 

[MyBelle]

I agree, and I never said it was suspicious. I just said that I thought that the police must know more than they are reporting and that it made me think that because the FBI was there so quickly.

Kansas City is a regional headquarters for federal agencies. My dad worked there for years. The baby disappeared from Missouri and they are searching a landfill in Kansas. It doesn't surprise me that LE would ask FBI to assist.

JMO

 

[cluciano63]

LE said they want to talk to the parents some more, as they need their help. And that this has not happened. I don't understand why the parents would say they are cooperating, if in fact they are not willing to talk to LE. I am not "slamming" them, just not understanding what they mean by they are still cooperating. Young clearly said today they have not spoken with the parents since yesterday and very much want to.

 

[Emeralgem]

At this point, if this is indeed the work of an outsider, it is the strangest one I've heard of, with the details of the lights and phones and doors and windows and first night alone, etc. etc. But I will wait and see and hope that someday, we know the answer. I've pretty much lost my naive assumption of a year or more ago, thinking we would have answers in these cases.

BBM..I can most definitely relate...

 

[norest4thewicked]

Thanks for this Dr. F. If someone was able to listen in on the monitors, could they hear the mother's end too? Wait for the mom to be snoring away and make their move?

This wasn't to me, but I can tell you that baby monitors don't work that way. You can hear the baby but they can't hear you.

 

[EllaMae]

my guess, Grandmaj is that they have guilt and fear and cannot help but talk about it also maybe they want to learn what LE actually has on them. A way to prod LE to divulge something they have.

They can have guilt and fear and still not be responsible for the disappearance of their baby.

I'd bet, if she is innocent, that Mom feels guilty for not locking the door, and for not waking up and hearing anything. Dad possibly feels guilty for leaving his family unprotected at night or for not reminding Debbie to lock the door, or for not getting an alarm system or a barking dog, or a million other things they both could be telling themselves.
The possibilities of what could be happening to their baby seems a very obvious reason to be afraid.

 

[BeanE]

..but we have heard that they will only deal with Fox locally...

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/?watchId=8e0a42aa-a161-45d0-b274-bca53ec58ee3

Fox4 Kansas City reporter Rob Low: " Phil this was an exclusive interview, the couple gave, we were the only media in Kansas City to speak with parents just moments ago..”

..and when they arrived at the hotel to meet judge jeanineP to tape her show-----everyone not affiliated with Fox, was asked to leave.
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story
.."nurse Beeme" heard it "live", it's since been edited, but is at the end of the video above..

Well, they clearly jumped ship to ABC, because Dan what's-his-name the Nightline reporter did the interview with the video today where he's inside their house, and KMBC, the ABC local affiliate, has brand new family pics on their site tonight.

Cha-ching.

 

[Cappuccino]

How would someone watching the house be able to see if a door had been locked from the inside? If this were the dad's first night ever working the late shift, how would some 'weird neighbor' know that? If dad left at 9, as far as anyone knew, he could have been runming to the store...or making a quick run to see a parent...or stopping by a work site to consulted for an hour or so. If this was dad's first time working a night shift, a random 'weird neighbor' would not know that dad was at work and would be away for hours. Imo.

If someone was watching the house they would have seen the dad leave, then waited till the downstairs lights went off, the bedroom light went on then off, and then approached the house with the intention of trying doors and windows till he found a way in. That's how he would have found the front door unlocked.

Nobody breaks into a house and snatches a baby on the spur of the moment. If this was a stranger/acquaintance/weird neighbour, he has probably been watching the family for days, if not weeks.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I don't think we know that anyone is getting paid by media, do we? Is this an assumption due to word "exclusive"?

In one of the 1 zillion articles and I think it was last night one of the local stations said a man described as the father of one of the parents answered the door and said they were not talking to any local stations because they had a deal with a national one. I think that is where it is all coming from.

 

[LietKynes]

Missouri Baby Parents' Feel Pressure From Police
- VIDEO: Police Search Landfill for Missing Baby
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/missing-missouri-infants-mother-says-police-accused-her/

In the video with this news article; it's said that the mother made a call to someone at 2:30am; but the police haven't said to whom the call was made.
So Lisa's mom was possibly awake before or at the time the dad came home from work.
This was news for me; but maybe it's been discussed already ?
Has it been said how the parents contacte LE if their phones were taken ? Or did LE actually take the phones ?
I'm going to read back on older pages from this thread , b/c there are other questions I have...thanks to everyone for the informative posts.
jmo.
I still haven't given up on the parents ---almost wish a stranger had taken Lisa, because the alternative is unbearable !
imo.

 

[mrye4709]

LE often trashes the house while CSI'ing it.

Thank you! I seen where the black plastic could be from luminol testing. I am relieved now. Maybe they should state these things in ther reporting, lol. My heart sank when I watched it.

 

[Angleena]

2011 property taxes would be paid in 2012, probably. You usually pay for the previous year's taxes in the current year.

That makes the situation a little worse. I don't know how other states work but in my states once you are behind by 3 years, your home goes up on the tax sales.

 

[vlpate]

THAT ^^^^^ is what I was referring to earlier.

It's an ABC exclusive with Dan Harris:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905

 

[norest4thewicked]

Kansas City is a regional headquarters for federal agencies. My dad worked there for years. The baby disappeared from Missouri and they are searching a landfill in Kansas. It doesn't surprise me that LE would ask FBI to assist.

JMO

Thank you. I am aware of the agencies in KC. I worked for LE there 3 years ago before I moved to Nashville. I haven't mentioned that on these boards yet, but one of the reasons I am so active in this thread.

And, it didn't "surprise" me. It simply made me believe that there was more to it than LE is saying...which is definitely almost always the case.

 

[wfgodot]

What exactly does he mean by this statement ?

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
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It's an example of tweaking the dictionary definition of that word just a bit in order to insinuate that the parents are the only ones who know what happened to Lisa.

1. Marked by close acquaintance, association, or familiarity.
2. Relating to or indicative of one's deepest nature: intimate prayers.
3. Essential; innermost: the intimate structure of matter.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intimate

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I guess I never understood why anyone would admit to failing a polygraph test or being told they failed a poly in the middle of an investigation. I don't get it.

It can't be used against you in court so I guess it doesn't matter. I've always looked at it as being a tool to "HELP" eliminate suspects. I'm not so sure if it always works that way. The reason being is that it is not totally reliable. MOO.

 

[belimom]

I'm thinking that it was not luminol because if it was, why would they cover it? I've never seen luminol covered. Also, I know that luminol is used in cases where LE fears that blood might be, but there doesn't seem to be any indication that there would be blood on the window, windowsill, or window frame. Maybe that's just me though. I think more likely fingerprint dust or to keep looky-loos from peering into the baby's room.

I may be wrong, but I believe it has to be completely dark to see the stuff luminol picks up? So they're not covering luminol but covering the light source. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or using the incorrect terminology. Just guessing here - TIA!

 

[DairyGirl]

I'm thinking that it was not luminol because if it was, why would they cover it? I've never seen luminol covered. Also, I know that luminol is used in cases where LE fears that blood might be, but there doesn't seem to be any indication that there would be blood on the window, windowsill, or window frame. Maybe that's just me though. I think more likely fingerprint dust or to keep looky-loos from peering into the baby's room.

The windows would be covered because they need the room totally dark to look for the luminol. It is a spray that lights up in the presence of blood.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Can anyone hear my baby monitor?

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question333.htm

From your link: "the scanner can pick up the transmission from perhaps half a mile away."

Well that's a little concerning!