MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[iamnotagolem]

Lanza said the parents' definition of cooperation is probably different than police's.

"Police's definition of cooperation is to answer any questions that we post to you even if it focuses on you," Lanza said. "The couple's definition is, 'well, we'll cooperate, but not if it's focused on us."

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...rch-for-missing-baby-20111006,0,2371703.story

 

[AnonymousD]

Nightline is now on for those of us in EST, but it looks like there are 2 other stories along w/ Baby Lisa.

 

[grandmaj]

Bedtime is the worst time for a mother I think. Especially as the kids get older. I was just on the phone with my daughter. The kids are healthy all summer long. They go back to school and one has bronchitis and one strep. So both of those boys are on antibiotics the little one on liquid antibiotics which is mixed with a syrup and the kids don't eat much sugar. He is off the wall with this antibiotic. She said Mom he is out of his brain tonight. The commotion in the house with the 4 of them tonight was just incredible. My granddaughter crying because one of the boys took some little toy that she really loved. And no one could find it. The second oldest having just received his Halloween Costume in the mail from us running around acting Ninja. They all feed off of one another. One of them was tearing his bed apart looking for something.... it went on and on tonight. And my grandkids while kids are pretty well behaved until bedtime. I don't know how daughter does it to be honest. It is crazy for those few hours in that house. And she is alone my SIL works nights.

So I guess I wonder what happened in those hours. Was it a wild night? Did all the kids go down quietly for their sleep? Was the baby fussy? I know when my daughter was that age if she didn't feel well she wanted to be in my bed next to me, and I wanted her there so that I could watch her.

There is a big piece of this puzzle missing.

 

[MyBelle]

Innocent people fail poly's all the time. LE knows that. How can mom tell LE where Lisa is if she doesn't know? It is not a good thing for LE to get tunnel vision.

I don't know it is an established fact that innocent people fail polys "all the time." Why would an innocent person stop cooperating with police? Sorry, that just doesn't seem logical to me.

JMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

Since the couple has announced themselves as suspects and given MSM interviews about it (and this isn't derrogatory information), just a couple of clarifications to what I believe is inaccurate media reporting (or assumptions) early in the case. This information is only meant to clear up possible inaccuracies related to key parties in the case of Lisa's disappearance and has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

Parents ages:
Court records show that Deborah Lee Bradley (formerly Netz) was born in 76, therefore she is 35 (keep seeing posts saying 25). I guess the court records could be wrong, but more inclined to belive the media got it wrong or they got wrong information from family. MOO. No records showing divorce/annulment that I saw, but doesn't mean she isn't divorced. Her ex with surname Bradley is 10 years younger and Jeremy Irwin was born in 1984, so he would indeed be 28 (correctly reported).

Marital Status:
There was speculation here that Jeremy wasn't free to marry because he is still married. He has no civil court records on file with anyone sharing his last name, but does have custody records on file with a woman who is the mother of the 8 year half-brother of Lisa. It doesn't appear they were ever married. MOO.

Mods: I think this is okay, but please delete if not. TIA!

That makes sense. I sure thought that she looked older than 35 but Jeremy looks much older than her. Thanks for this info.

 

[Cappuccino]

Innocent people fail poly's all the time. LE knows that. How can mom tell LE where Lisa is if she doesn't know? It is not a good thing for LE to get tunnel vision.

Sadly, I can see an awful lot of innocent mothers of missing/murdered children going through the same ordeal in the near future. Its the curse of Casey Anthony, she's free and clear while a whole pile of innocent mothers are being punished by the backlash against her.

 

[Ada]

All the police have to go on is what the mother told them. If a poly detected deception in her answers, what else can LE do? LE has no idea where to even begin to look for Lisa if her mother refuses to be honest.

JMO

Maybe that is what they meant when they said the parents were not cooperating.

 

[wfgodot]

Lanza said the parents' definition of cooperation is probably different than police's.

"Police's definition of cooperation is to answer any questions that we post to you even if it focuses on you," Lanza said. "The couple's definition is, 'well, we'll cooperate, but not if it's focused on us."

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...rch-for-missing-baby-20111006,0,2371703.story

Lanza's ex-LE.

Retired FBI Agent Jeff Lanza....

Naturally he would skewer the comparison to make the parents look bad.

Great objectivity on the part of Faux News there! I guess that's what happens when you give the exclusive to another network.

 

[SuziQ]

I don't know it is an established fact that innocent people fail polys "all the time." Why would an innocent person stop cooperating with police? Sorry, that just doesn't seem logical to me.

JMO

There is a reason Poly's are not admissable in court. According to the parents they never quit cooperating.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Is this why the parents are claiming someone took all their phones? To try to cover up this call at 2:30? Do they have evidence she actually made the call, or just that the call came from her phone? Interesting.

The article says "a phone call was made from the couples home at 2:30 AM ". Not from a cell phone or from the mother. Getting rid of a cell phone will not get rid of your phone records. I think we can all agree with that.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/missing-missouri-infants-mother-says-police-accused-her/

 

[EllaMae]

I don't know it is an established fact that innocent people fail polys "all the time." Why would an innocent person stop cooperating with police? Sorry, that just doesn't seem logical to me.

JMO

If I felt that I was being railroaded for a crime I did not commit.....I would stop talking to the cops immediately, and get myself a lawyer.

The West Memphis 3 comes to mind as I'm typing.

 

[iamnotagolem]

So they think mom isn't being honest about something, maybe it relates back to the dad.

Here is my example, (back to babycenter) a girl on one of the boards posted that she found pictures of child on her husband's computer, not only of their DD but of other children. She didn't want to tell the police, she was scared, she didn't want to believe it. Another poster called the police, sent the post to the police, police arrested the guy.

I even have a link, we watched the news for weeks wondering if anything came of it, all in disbelief that she wouldn't turn in her husband.
http://www.muni.org/Departments/police/PressReleases/Pages/10_070910.aspx

Anyhow, what if mom knows something that dad is doing and that is what she's being dishonest about?

 

[AnonymousD]

Nightline now is showing Baby Lisa's story, EST.

 

[grandmaj]

Pure speculation again. Timelines are only as good as those that are giving them to LE. I try not to get hung up on timelines too much.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Bedtime is the worst time for a mother I think. Especially as the kids get older. I was just on the phone with my daughter. The kids are healthy all summer long. They go back to school and one has bronchitis and one strep. So both of those boys are on antibiotics the little one on liquid antibiotics which is mixed with a syrup and the kids don't eat much sugar. He is off the wall with this antibiotic. She said Mom he is out of his brain tonight. The commotion in the house with the 4 of them tonight was just incredible. My granddaughter crying because one of the boys took some little toy that she really loved. And no one could find it. The second oldest having just received his Halloween Costume in the mail from us running around acting Ninja. They all feed off of one another. One of them was tearing his bed apart looking for something.... it went on and on tonight. And my grandkids while kids are pretty well behaved until bedtime. I don't know how daughter does it to be honest. It is crazy for those few hours in that house. And she is alone my SIL works nights.

So I guess I wonder what happened in those hours. Was it a wild night? Did all the kids go down quietly for their sleep? Was the baby fussy? I know when my daughter was that age if she didn't feel well she wanted to be in my bed next to me, and I wanted her there so that I could watch her.

There is a big piece of this puzzle missing.

Bless your daughter's heart! Poor thing...I can certainly feel for her. My own daughter called me today almost in tears because she had a meeting in another town an hour a day and this week is my 2 month old granddaughter's first week at daycare. My daughter had dropped the baby off at daycare and was half way to the meeting before she realized that she didn't bring the baby bottles with her so she could pump. (She's breastfeeding). So, she had to go buy bottles at Target and sit in the parking lot pumping. Then she spilled milk on her crotch and said that it looked like she had wet herself. And, she was even late to the meeting. She asked me, "Mom, can you help me come up with some timesaving ways to do all of this?"

That was just a little story to lighten the mood in here. But, back OT, I wondered the same thing back in the beginning of this. The thing that got me to wondering what had happened before bedtime was the lights all being on. It's all such a mystery.
So I guess I wonder what happened in those hours. Was it a wild night? Did all the kids go down quietly for their sleep? Was the baby fussy? I know when my daughter was that age if she didn't feel well she wanted to be in my bed next to me, and I wanted her there so that I could watch her.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I don't think we can look at Lisa's nose to distinguish who's nose she has...especially since it is not finished growing...and I'm not even sure why you would want to...?

I am just curious - if the baby looked like Jeremy then it's easier for me to rule out the possibility that he is not the actual father.

http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/does-your-baby-look-like-daddy/

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Bedtime is the worst time for a mother I think. Especially as the kids get older. I was just on the phone with my daughter. The kids are healthy all summer long. They go back to school and one has bronchitis and one strep. So both of those boys are on antibiotics the little one on liquid antibiotics which is mixed with a syrup and the kids don't eat much sugar. He is off the wall with this antibiotic. She said Mom he is out of his brain tonight. The commotion in the house with the 4 of them tonight was just incredible. My granddaughter crying because one of the boys took some little toy that she really loved. And no one could find it. The second oldest having just received his Halloween Costume in the mail from us running around acting Ninja. They all feed off of one another. One of them was tearing his bed apart looking for something.... it went on and on tonight. And my grandkids while kids are pretty well behaved until bedtime. I don't know how daughter does it to be honest. It is crazy for those few hours in that house. And she is alone my SIL works nights.

So I guess I wonder what happened in those hours. Was it a wild night? Did all the kids go down quietly for their sleep? Was the baby fussy? I know when my daughter was that age if she didn't feel well she wanted to be in my bed next to me, and I wanted her there so that I could watch her.

There is a big piece of this puzzle missing.

At my house this time is referred to as "the witching hour" :crazy:

 

[grandmaj]

The article says "a phone call was made from the couples home at 2:30 AM ". Not from a cell phone or from the mother. Getting rid of a cell phone will not get rid of your phone records. I think we can all agree with that.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/07/missing-missouri-infants-mother-says-police-accused-her/

Somewhere in the last couple of pages I thought I also read the pings showed somewhere close to the house. So which is it? Arrrrggggg Yes the phone records don't go away because the phone does.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Lanza's ex-LE.



Naturally he would skewer the comparison to make the parents look bad.

Great objectivity on the part of Faux News there!

Thank you for clarifying, I couldn't remember Lanza being mentioned as part of the KCPD but that stood out when I read the article and hadn't seen it posted. Ooops should have done more reading.

 

[luvbeaches]

Yes, I'm finding this out. If children are prevented from talking to LE, it makes one wonder doesn't it.
I was raised from a young age to respect LE. Not to fear them.

It does. LE is trained in this area. They're not going to sit the kids under a bright light and grill them. I would bet there's a social worker and a psychologist involved. So I have to wonder why a parent would not allow their other children to be questioned. If the children did see something, they are not going to traumatize them any more than they have been traumatized. Plus, depending on their ages, they won't just say ... I saw this or that. I would want my child handled gently, but I also would want them interviewed if I thought they knew anything. It can be done correctly. And if the children did see something that scared them or traumatized them, then I'd want them getting counseling to help them with whatever issues they need resolved.

I grew up respecting LE and so did our children.

Has it been reported that they have or have not been interviewed? We've got a lot going on right now and I am not keeping up with what's going on very well. I am trying to read the posts, but they are multiplying at warp speed.