MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[wfgodot]

Thank you for clarifying, I couldn't remember Lanza being mentioned as part of the KCPD but that stood out when I read the article and hadn't seen it posted. Ooops should have done more reading.

No problem, I got lucky - I'd just read that article before you posted it.

 

[CHICANA]

It could have been for another property. I'm in FL and that happens.. it will follow you. And i remember reading on here from a verified neighbor they have only been in this house about a year. Would make sense.

Per public records, JI bought the house in 2002.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Oh I know. I guess my point is I've seen this so many times in other cases. It is almost as though the parents reach a roadblock with LE and then start talking about the investigation and polys and insisting they are cooperating and disputing police claims.

If they are innocent bringing what LE said about the polys can shed them in bad light in the eyes of the public and with the Investigators. The court of public opinion is already harsh enough at times. So why bring this additional condemnation upon yourself? Sometimes saying nothing really is better.

I agree. That's what makes this so interesting to me. Saying you failed a polygraph doesn't help you at all in the court of public opinion. So why did she admit she failed the test? It makes little sense. Unless maybe she's telling the truth and doesn't realize it looks bad. I'm not sure myself at this point.

 

[MyBelle]

I'm sure the child was in school, but would they be sent to school during all of this mess? I was merely answering the question of whether or not children could be questioned without parental consent and I gave the circumstances where they could be. Sorry to be confusing and sorry if I'm being snarky. I've been here for going on 15 hours with only a couple of short breaks. TGIF right?

Understood! I just assumed the boy would be sent to school to try to keep him in a normal routine. And that LE would swing by the school so they could talk to him without parents nearby. More I think about it, I doubt it is even an issue.

JMO

 

[grandmaj]

OK guys we are not sleuthing the victim here baby Lisa regarding parentage. There hasn't even been a whisper of that being in question. And, parents can be discussed, no other people. Not former spouses, significant others etc. Those people are not involved unless we hear otherwise in MSM.

 

[Just K]

Nightline is now on for those of us in EST, but it looks like there are 2 other stories along w/ Baby Lisa.

Well that was enlightening. The picture of the crib filled with storage bins and a baby tub is from today. And oddly, there was a wall right next o the crib which appeared to be under construction and covered with a black plastic tarp. Very odd, as the police had only just released the scene (house.)

 

[norest4thewicked]

Understood! I just assumed the boy would be sent to school to try to keep him in a normal routine. And that LE would swing by the school so they could talk to him without parents nearby. More I think about it, I doubt it is even an issue.

JMO

I guess it's just as likely that they were in school as they were out. I hope tomorrow we find out some things like were the kids interviewed, was there indeed a phone call coming from the house (or near) at 2:30 am, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Thankfully, tomorrow is Saturday and I can't sit here all day.

 

[DairyGirl]

Same site...... so does Deborah (Debra/Debbie). I saw a few things that could put someone in financial stress (of course, who isn't these days)
But it alos puts my mind in the 'they've dealt with lawyers before and aren't as naive as some may think' position. Again, MOO.

I asked earlier if LE was looking into their financial situation. The whole Orlando debacle has certainly taught some that crime pays.

 

[Mels3kidz]

In one of the recent articles it was stated that Debby Bradley told the news reporter herself that she was told she had failed it but I'm not going to try to find it. I'm pretty sure it was on the page that keeps updating all the news for Lisa.

Just because she was told she failed it doesn't mean that she actually failed it. That could have been an interrogation technique.

Mel

 

[MyBelle]

If I felt that I was being railroaded for a crime I did not commit.....I would stop talking to the cops immediately, and get myself a lawyer.

The West Memphis 3 comes to mind as I'm typing.

It is possible to both obtain a lawyer and continue cooperating with police.

JMO

 

[Cher352]

That is true. But I also read that it is a very 'small' street and neighborhood, and any strangers watching the home would have been noticed.

But I suppose that a weird neighbor or a friend of a neighbor woud be able to sit back safely and watch the comings and goings at the home.

I have wondering about this same thing today.

From what I saw in one of the earlier video it showed dad getting into a late model, large extended cab truck. If this was his it would be rather noticable. Wonder where he normally parked it? Front yard or back yard or garage?

Could someone had noticed that the truck wasn't there in the middle of the night realizing that this would be the perfect time to strike?

Or maybe thinking no one was home and intended only to rob them? (of course why take the baby if that?)

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe that is what they meant when they said the parents were not cooperating.

Yep, I think not being truthful could fit the definition.

 

[Mirage]

I agree. That's what makes this so interesting to me. Saying you failed a polygraph doesn't help you at all in the court of public opinion. So why did she admit she failed the test? It makes little sense. Unless maybe she's telling the truth and doesn't realize it looks bad. I'm not sure myself at this point.

This is part of why I believe the parents... I feel that they are just blindly going forward the only way they know how, and trusting that because they are telling the truth, they will be deemed honest in the end. I dont think she knows to lie or omit the truth.

 

[liz b.]

Somewhere in the last couple of pages I thought I also read the pings showed somewhere close to the house. So which is it? Arrrrggggg Yes the phone records don't go away because the phone does.

GrandmaJ,
Yes, I read that too -- the last ping was supposedly close to the

house... I guess this would explain LE taking metal detectors back behind the house...

 

[Peepers]

I agree. That's what makes this so interesting to me. Saying you failed a polygraph doesn't help you at all in the court of public opinion. So why did she admit she failed the test? It makes little sense. Unless maybe she's telling the truth and doesn't realize it looks bad. I'm not sure myself at this point.

I got the impression she was trying to let everyone know that she felt the cops were railroading her. I cant remember exactly how she said it now but I think she implied they said she was "deceitful" but did not give her the details on what questions were deceitful. I got the impression she did not believe that she failed it or that her emotions made her fail it and wanted to get the word out that LE is not looking beyond her. She was pleading for help to find Lisa since she feels LE is not looking past her. She seemed genuine on feeling that as long as LE was so focused on her, the baby will not be found.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Bedtime is the worst time for a mother I think. Especially as the kids get older. I was just on the phone with my daughter. The kids are healthy all summer long. They go back to school and one has bronchitis and one strep. So both of those boys are on antibiotics the little one on liquid antibiotics which is mixed with a syrup and the kids don't eat much sugar. He is off the wall with this antibiotic. She said Mom he is out of his brain tonight. The commotion in the house with the 4 of them tonight was just incredible. My granddaughter crying because one of the boys took some little toy that she really loved. And no one could find it. The second oldest having just received his Halloween Costume in the mail from us running around acting Ninja. They all feed off of one another. One of them was tearing his bed apart looking for something.... it went on and on tonight. And my grandkids while kids are pretty well behaved until bedtime. I don't know how daughter does it to be honest. It is crazy for those few hours in that house. And she is alone my SIL works nights.

So I guess I wonder what happened in those hours. Was it a wild night? Did all the kids go down quietly for their sleep? Was the baby fussy? I know when my daughter was that age if she didn't feel well she wanted to be in my bed next to me, and I wanted her there so that I could watch her.

There is a big piece of this puzzle missing.

Great post. And there's a whole lot of this puzzle missing I'm afraid. Too soon for me to draw any conclusions.

 

[AnonymousD]

Well that was enlightening. The picture of the crib filled with storage bins and a baby tub is from today. And oddly, there was a wall right next o the crib which appeared to be under construction and covered with a black plastic tarp. Very odd, as the police had only just released the scene (house.)

We're thinking that is a window covered with, what appears to be, black plastic (trash bags?) & duct tape.

 

[yllek]

Mom actually said in the ABC GMA interview this morning that she didn't remember which questions she was told that she'd failed. She also said that LE was pushing her about "gaps" in her account because she couldn't fill in those gaps. IIRC.

 

[grandmaj]

I got the impression she was trying to let everyone know that she felt the cops were railroading her. I cant remember exactly how she said it now but I think she implied they said she was "deceitful" but did not give her the details on what questions were deceitful. I got the impression she did not believe that she failed it or that her emotions made her fail it and wanted to get the word out that LE is not looking beyond her. She was pleading for help to find Lisa since she feels LE is not looking past her. She seemed genuine on feeling that as long as LE was so focused on her, the baby will not be found.

What bothers me about this tactic though is those before that have tried it. Misty Croslin comes to mind. How many lie detector tests did Misty fail? And yet she came out swinging that LE was trying to pin something on her she didn't do. I still don't know what happened in that case but I know one thing as sure as I sit here. Misty has lied and still hasn't come clean and while she may not have hurt Haleigh she is playing dumb about someone else.

 

[norest4thewicked]

We're thinking that is a window covered with, what appears to be, black plastic (trash bags?) & duct tape.

I think that the general consensus here is that this was used to block light for luminol testing. I think that's what most thought it was for. Others thought for other reasons, but it had to do with something LE did.