MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[shefner]

Good Lord...this case has made me a wreck. My eyes are bugged out, my head is spinning, my "refresh" finger is cramped up and my hiney is sore from riding this fence.

I absolutely dread going to bed....I already know that I am going to wake up at 4 am for a potty pitstop and I'm gonna see this computer sitting there...and you know what I'll be wanting to do. That's right...check on Websleuths. And guess what? In 2 hours time, in the middle of the night, I will be 30 pages behind on reading.

*sigh*

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Ha Ha OK I'm on call 24/7. So at night I have to take my cell phone and put it on my headboard. At least 3 nights I can recall I got all nice and snuggly in the bed and then said Ohhhhhhh #$$%% I left my phone on my desk. So it hit me not hours later but I remembered that I forgot. :floorlaugh:

But I've also been very engrossed with the forum some nights and clicked the portable phone to change the channel and answered the TV remote too. :silly:

Same here many of times. LOL LOL

 

[Kakidoll]

Where is the closest water to this house?

Seems easy enough to take the phones and either ditch the batteries in any trash can nearby, or in nearby water.

When the neighbors reported seeing a "man" with a child matching Lisa's description in the middle of the night just one block over, they said it looked like they were headed towards a house. Batteries could be disposed of in any trash (as could a body, unfortunately) and this person could be long gone in a car with a 2-hour head start on police, no way to track any phones.

It's curious that police said a call was made from the home at about the same time as the child, or a similar child was seen, in the middle of the night, one block over. About 2:30 a.m.

From map posted earlier, River is less than a mile away.
Back yard is quite large (photos on property site) with Very large detached garage and a two car garage under house. Any rooms at back of the house could not be reached without ladder. I know they searched yard today, but nothing released/found? Also, not that it means anything because i'm not sure how old teh pics are of the house, but there were 2 large dogs in teh fenced in back yard in the photo.

 

[grandmaj]

Well cell phones have tracking devices in them also. So if someone still had those phones and had them on then they could be tracked.

 

[wfgodot]

KCPD is a top notch agency...they really are. I think that you will be pleasantly surprised when all this is said and done. Well..I guess pleasantly surprised is not really an appropriate feeling, but I think you will discover that they are right on with this one.

Hope so!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Here is my take on a kidnapper taking the cell phone, for the most part I think the general public is aware that phones can be tracking with cell phone pings, So if someone is going to steal a child, why on gods green earth would you want to have 3 phones on you that could show your point of travel, yes I understand they could be dumped but it is not like you are going to steal them and then just dump them right around the corner from where you took them from, So for that reason I think the phones were not taken or dumped by a kidnapper.

If the phone is turned off, I don't believe it can be tracked by pings or GPS. MOO.

 

[elepher50]

Ha Ha OK I'm on call 24/7. So at night I have to take my cell phone and put it on my headboard. At least 3 nights I can recall I got all nice and snuggly in the bed and then said Ohhhhhhh #$$%% I left my phone on my desk. So it hit me not hours later but I remembered that I forgot. :floorlaugh:

But I've also been very engrossed with the forum some nights and clicked the portable phone to change the channel and answered the TV remote too. :silly:

:floorlaugh:Killing me here. I took garage door opener instead of pager and put on nightstand for oncall 24/7 one night .... had a great sleep.:floorlaugh:

 

[marge_rita]

On the very first Lisa thread I posted praise for MO LE, calling it a professional organization which, along with KS's KBI across the river, would do an top-notch job on this case. I must admit, my faith in Kansas City law enforcement has been tested these last couple days. Here's hoping my fears are unfounded.

Good pt,wfgodot.

 

[JEN12376]

I'm just speaking for myself, obviously, but my phone goes on the kitchen counter every night. I have a fear of the news reports that say that you shouldn't sleep next to your cell phone because of brain cancer. Plus that, my husband is on call 24/7 so he has his if anyone has an emergency. But, I honestly don't see anything wrong with having the cell phone on the counter.

My parents leave theirs on the kitchen counter all the time. Right next to the coffee pot. They have a land line though and it's actually rare that they can be contacted on their cells. It's kind of annoying actually! lol I forget that not everyone is as dependent on their phones as me! Mine is never even a foot away from me! lol

 

[grandmaj]

:floorlaugh:Killing me here. I took garage door opener instead of pager and put on nightstand for oncall 24/7 one night .... had a great sleep.:floorlaugh:

OK you are one step worse than me! :lol:

 

[Cher352]

I did this once when my son was small, I was going to school full-time and working part-time. There was a knock at the door one morning, and there stood a friend of mine dangling my keys in my face. Man did I catch allheck from my friends over it....but I was purely exhausted, had a handful of baby/diaper bag/books and/or groceries, went to put stuff down...and promptly forgot to go back and get the keys out of the door. The irony was I HAD locked the door from the inside once I shut it...fat lot of good that did!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[EllaMae]

I suppose it differs between individuals depending on your habits. For me, locking the door is so automatic that I do it without any conscious thought. I even lock my husband outside about once a month or so if we're both out in the yard and I come in before him. If I ever did forget, I'd never remember that I had forgotten.

It's automatic for me now.I reprogrammed my way of doing things so that locking the doors became a priority. I scared myself and I felt awful that being distracted and tired had allowed me to make such a mistake several times. I'm just lucky that nothing happened to my children while we were all sleeping in an unlocked house.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I just can't stop thinking that whatever happened to Lisa happened much earlier in the day and that dad went to work so as to not raise suspicion. I think they had this story all set up. Perhaps mom called at 2:30 am to check to see if dad would be home soon to start the charade. Then, when she called, she realized that she shouldn't have used her phone because it can be tracked, so either she or dad got rid of all 3 phones because if only hers was missing, that would be a total red flag. I just can't bring myself to believe that mom acted alone in this whole coverup.

 

[shefner]

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[vlpate]

LE changed the emphasis of the case by leaking negative "facts" about the mom - and that on top of their self-serving press conference yesterday; I've not heard LE using airtime for much else lately. The parents have to defend themselves because the public will quickly lose interest in helping to find baby Lisa if they buy into the "parents did it" campaign and come to believe the child is dead.

The parents at this time are still the victims here.

LE has only said the parents stopped cooperating, which is clearly true. Debbie is the one who said she flunked the LD test. LE said they would not deny or confirm this information because it is an ongoing investigation.

I think if they would stop making deals with national networks, and go back to the police station, public opinion wouldn't be nearly so negative.

 

[mysteriew]

This is a couple that seems to sincerely believe announcing to the public that she failed a poly is somehow to their advantage.

JMO

The public has been very supportive to the family. The media and everything I saw written early on has supported the idea that the baby was abducted. Even LE complimented the family on their cooperation.

Then LE is accusing her of failing the poly, of harming the baby. But the public is still supportive. I think they were looking for sympathy.

Don't forget we also have a public "animated" discussion followed by LE announcing that the family is no longer cooperating. And the family's denying that they aren't cooperating. But they don't seem to be going to LE to talk.

Mom's timeline that she gave herself says she checked on Lisa at 10:30 pm then went to bed. Dad woke her about 4 am. She doesn't mention being on her phone at 2:30 am. (I really can't wait to hear the public defense on this one.)

Sorry I was already having trouble with the family's credibility before I heard that Mom failed the poly. So hearing that she did fail doesn't really surprise me.

Announcing it to the public, trying to get the sympathy back.

 

[mrsu]

This is what has been said on FB via Debbie's father re: the cell phones:

(paraphrased)

Something was wrong with Debbie's phone and it wasn't working properly. At the birthday party on Sunday she got an old phone from the grandma. For some reason you couldn't transfer all the information at once and she had to input all the contacts one by one. That's what she was doing. Jeremy also had a work phone, so his personal phone was left at home that evening. All 3 phones were on the table in the kitchen -- broken phone, Debbie's new phone, Jeremy's personal phone.

Then, on the first day of questioning, Debbie took J's work phone with her so she could be in contact with her family, and LE confiscated that work phone and have not given it back. Dad said they now had new cell phones.

The only thought I had about this was that if Jeremy does have a work phone in the van, why would the parent's say "they took the phones so we couldn't call"...maybe that's what they thought, but if they had a work phone in the fan, that shouldn't have delayed them too much, right? My question is did J use his work phone to call 911 or was it the neighbor?

 

[MyBelle]

Well cell phones have tracking devices in them also. So if someone still had those phones and had them on then they could be tracked.

And maybe that's why LE is still looking in landfills.

I am clinging to the hope Lisa is alive and this was just a hoax to beg for money. But a darker possibility is that the baby died and a phone was inadvertently lost when the baby's body was disposed so the mother came up with the lame story about the phones.

 

[grandmaj]

Timeline information is only as good as those that provide it. I wanted to believe this was an abduction. But the more I delve into this case, the more the police reports I'm not buying the timeline.

If the lawyer is representing both parents, and suddenly picks only one of them to represent I'd say we have our answer.

 

[elepher50]

G'nite peeps ... prayers for little Lisa and all who have her in their hearts. May you be found soon little one and be found safe.