MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[marge_rita]

:floorlaugh:Killing me here. I took garage door opener instead of pager and put on nightstand for oncall 24/7 one night .... had a great sleep.:floorlaugh:

:great:

 

[mrsu]

To my knowledge...the phone can be pinged if it is on or off, but not if the battery is out. However, some smart phones, you can't remove the battery.

In order for GPS to work, the phone has to be on. GPS won't work if the phone is off.

 

[Cappuccino]

Maybe so.

Did they also know there was no landline?

And also in the beginning, mom made some statement that the reason for the delay in calling was because the phones were taken. If there was a work phone available, there should have been no delay.

I haven't been able to find a link to where she stated about the delay, but I also read HinkyMeter earlier today and they mention the delay in their reports too, so I know it was said.

What delay in calling? Dad arrived home at 4 am and called 911 at 4.04 am. That's not a delay, if anything its a suspiciously short time.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

One scenario could be that she called her lover and real father (just a possibility) of the baby at 2 30. It could be a disposable cell phone. LE announced the call to expose it to Jeremy. He will now be suspicious of Debbie. It is possible the baby is alive and well with the real father. MOO.

 

[grandmaj]

I've heard it both ways. Still not sure which is right. Or it could be that it is different with different phones.

I do know that they cannot track all cell phones. Some have GPS and some don't.

In another county in my state just a few weeks ago that is exactly what happened with a Deputy Sheriff. He was driving an unmarked so that means he was Sgt. or above. Got out of the unmarked, took the groceries out left the keys in the door of his apartment, and took groceries in. Forgot the keys were there and shut the door. Someone grabbed the keys took off with the car. They ditched the car close to where he lived. Only problem is they had the keys and got a very big automatic weapon out of the lock box in the trunk and an ammo belt with some major ammo in it among other things.

OK time for bed for me this was supposed to be quoting Bessie's post. :doh: Eyes tired.

 

[Melanie]

Ok I thought I recently saw a program that the phones will still track if off. That only removing the battery will stop the tracking device. Did I fall asleep and miss something vital in this program? LMAO Cuz it is possible.

What is the consensus tech gurus? Could LE be getting signals from these phones and that is why they are searching certain areas?

You are correct. Cell phones (unless you get a phone that is over 3 years old) have GPS tracking systems in them. You don't have to have the phone turned on, or be on a call for it to work. You would, however, have to take the battery out if you want to avoid this. But how many people do that.

The only person I can think of that couldn't be tracked was Shawn Adkins. There was no cell phone pings/activity for several hours the day Hailey Dunn went missing. I figured he took his battery out during that time.

MOO

Mel

 

[Deleted member 39678]

RANCH, I can't remember at the moment which one-- but during one case I followed that very thing was done........a cut off cell phone was traced. I'm sure I'll remember later. lol


imo

Well I'm going to have to do some checking on this. Way to much big brother for me.

 

[marge_rita]

I'm not a tech guru, but I think I would have heard of that one. Just owning a phone can get yourself tracked by the government? Now that's scary.

Do you know that if you have cable tv, the cable company (and I'm guessing the gvt) can listen to conversations in your home without your consent and without you knowing. Not a joke.


imo

 

[bessie]

Ok I thought I recently saw a program that the phones will still track if off. That only removing the battery will stop the tracking device. Did I fall asleep and miss something vital in this program? LMAO Cuz it is possible.

What is the consensus tech gurus? Could LE be getting signals from these phones and that is why they are searching certain areas?

Several variables there, G'ma. Depends on the device and the provider services.

To comply with FCC requirements, cell phone carriers decided to integrate GPS technology into cell phone handsets, rather than overhaul the tower network. However the GPS in most cell phones are not like those in your handy GPS receiver that you take hiking. Most cell phones do not allow the user direct access to the GPS data, accurate location determination requires the assistance of the wireless network, and the GPS data is transmitted only if a 911 emergency call is made.​

So, in general, you can not track someone using their cell phone, unless the person you want to track has the right kind of cell phone, connected to the right network, with the right service.​

http://www.travelbygps.com/articles/tracking.php


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[mysteriew]

I agree. I also think if one of the parents had acted alone, the other wouldn't be all that willing to present such a unified front.

JMO

Maybe. Some parents, if one parent does harm the other will report it. But I have seen cases where one parent did something and the other helped to cover it up.

There is also the possibility that JI didn't know. He was at work and supposedly that was verified. If something happened while he was at work, he may not have been told.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You are correct. Cell phones (unless you get a phone that is over 3 years old) have GPS tracking systems in them. You don't have to have the phone turned on, or be on a call for it to work. You would, however, have to take the battery out if you want to avoid this. But how many people do that.

The only person I can think of that couldn't be tracked was Shawn Adkins. There was no cell phone pings/activity for several hours the day Hailey Dunn went missing. I figured he took his battery out during that time.

MOO

Mel

Hey Mel. You seem to have some knowledge here. What is the purpose for tracking a phone that is turned off?

 

[Traumajunky]

I would think, aside from just plastering flyers everywhere, there should be some effort checking daycares, hospitals, shelters, etc.

I work in a local ER and the EMS system did notify all local hospitals.

 

[mysteriew]

Do you know that if you have cable tv, the cable company (and I'm guessing the gvt) can listen to conversations in your home without your consent and without you knowing. Not a joke.


imo

They would be very bored.

 

[marge_rita]

Well I'm going to have to do some checking on this. Way to much big brother for me.

My bil told me this. I will check with him Saturday and see if I can get a link to this. way way too much big brother.


imo

Saying a prayer for beautiful baby Lisa to be found safe and returned home.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Do you know that if you have cable tv, the cable company (and I'm guessing the gvt) can listen to conversations in your home without your consent and without you knowing. Not a joke.


imo

Your jerking my chain.

 

[grandmaj]

Well I'm going to have to do some checking on this. Way to much big brother for me.

Exactly and that is what this program was all about. That phone companies could track where you went and not tell you they were doing it. And it also talked about taking pictures on your phone. That there is a capability in the picture code that people can tell exactly where the pic was taken. There is some software out there now. This show was scary. And they were saying there is a way to turn this off but few people even know about this tracking let alone how to turn it off.

 

[mysteriew]

I work in a local ER and the EMS system did notify all local hospitals.

Welcome to WS! And thanks for the info!

 

[marge_rita]

They would be very bored.

:floorlaugh: They would be bored with me too. They'd hear a lot of keyboard clicking.

 

[marge_rita]

Your jerking my chain.

No no, I'm not. I will get info and post it here or message it to you tomorrow.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Maybe. Some parents, if one parent does harm the other will report it. But I have seen cases where one parent did something and the other helped to cover it up.

There is also the possibility that JI didn't know. He was at work and supposedly that was verified. If something happened while he was at work, he may not have been told.

I think it all happened much earlier in the day. Before he went to work. Just my thoughts.