MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #7

[MsFacetious]

(Grew up wandering around the inventory room of our cell phone business here... lol)

Also if you plug in the active phone, put the inactive phone in the glove box.
Make sure you keep your numbers up to date even in that old phone... your *ICE (in case of emergency, with the * before the ICE so it shows up first in your contact list, before the A's.)

That way if your active phone IS lost in the accident... and you have that inactive phone in the glove box or attached to the charger... EMT's still have those numbers.

So many people do not realize that you don't have to have an active cell phone plan to call 911. That's why kids playing with inactive phones are able to call 911. :seeya:

It actually even occurred to me that someone might have grabbed those phones as a toy for Lisa to play with. Remove the batteries.
Long drive ahead? But then I thought that'd probably be stupid... surely they would have been more prepared if they didn't take any supplies?
Did they take any? Diapers, clothes, toys? Anything? Did anyone ever check?

Good morning. Let me offer a cell phone tip that saved my sisters' friend's life. Her daughter suggested she not get rid of her old cell phone but instead get a car phone charger for the phone and keep it in the car. Never unplug it from the charger.

Each time she goes anywhere she connects the old phone to the cigarette lighter. She unplugs it when she gets out of the car but leaves it on her seat so she'll remember to plug it in. Her active phone was usually on her lap, on the console, or in her purse. Like most of us.

One night while on a trip she lost control of her car on bad roads. Went down an embankment and was trapped in the car. She couldn't move and no one saw her. She had serious injuries. Had no idea where her phone was but she was able to reach the phone cord and call 911. It saved her life.

I now do the same thing. Even if the phone is thrown to the floor you can almost always reach the cord if its plugged in.

It only takes one time of not being able to reach it. I just leave my old one plugged in all the time. Either way works if you remember to plug it in.............lol I don't so I just don't unplug it.

 

[Lera213]

Good morning. Let me offer a cell phone tip that saved my sisters' friend's life. Her daughter suggested she not get rid of her old cell phone but instead get a car phone charger for the phone and keep it in the car. Never unplug it from the charger.

Each time she goes anywhere she connects the old phone to the cigarette lighter. She unplugs it when she gets out of the car but leaves it on her seat so she'll remember to plug it in. Her active phone was usually on her lap, on the console, or in her purse. Like most of us.

One night while on a trip she lost control of her car on bad roads. Went down an embankment and was trapped in the car. She couldn't move and no one saw her. She had serious injuries. Had no idea where her phone was but she was able to reach the phone cord and call 911. It saved her life.

I now do the same thing. Even if the phone is thrown to the floor you can almost always reach the cord if its plugged in.

It only takes one time of not being able to reach it. I just leave my old one plugged in all the time. Either way works if you remember to plug it in.............lol I don't so I just don't unplug it.

Great tip!

Please be sure to unplug when you get out of the car though or this could be the result:

 

[JeannieC]

Thanks for showing me that. Another good idea. I've been leaving mine plugged in! I bet I'll unplug it now!

THANKS!

 

[Buddha_with_mace]

Been away overnight, totally lost on the latest info about Lisa, but gutted that she's still missing

 

[Gardenlady]

Trying to catch up here as well... Didn't sleep well thinking of this poor baby out there somewhere.

 

[Filly]

Exactly and that is what this program was all about. That phone companies could track where you went and not tell you they were doing it. And it also talked about taking pictures on your phone. That there is a capability in the picture code that people can tell exactly where the pic was taken. There is some software out there now. This show was scary. And they were saying there is a way to turn this off but few people even know about this tracking let alone how to turn it off.

grandma, I just saw a show last week where they used that software with the pictures. A woman who faked her own kidnapping. All kinds of problems tracking phones, but when a picture got sent they knew exactly where it was taken. That's scary wild.

Meanwhile, wo knows where people keep their cells? The kids all sleep with them and use it as their alarm. Me? I have no clue where mine is and I can't call myself because it's not charged.

 

[Gardenlady]

Having trouble finding the wonderful timeline that has been such a staple of Lisa's threads. Anyone able to give me a recap of anything that happened overnight, if anything? Last news I remember were the few posts on FB from Deborahs father, clarifying the phone issue, and the officialrreports of the landfill search and the possibly related dumpster fire.

Thank you and good morning to all.

 

[JeannieC]

Having trouble finding the wonderful timeline that has been such a staple of Lisa's threads. Anyone able to give me a recap of anything that happened overnight, if anything? Last news I remember were the few posts on FB from Deborahs father, clarifying the phone issue, and the officialrreports of the landfill search and the possibly related dumpster fire.

Thank you and good morning to all.

Page 16 Post 392 on this thread. I believe that is the latest one. Shelby1 did it.

 

[JeannieC]

I'm off to rest a bit. I'll check in later. Here's the timeline again.

{{{hugs to all}}}

Thanks again to BeanE for compiling tweets and to Hazel for the video!

I hope I wake up to great news about sweet Lisa!

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)—Correction. One son—the 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.—Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE --thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.


PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.

**Debbie failed the LDT “MISERABLY”

** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks (company? All Current Electric)

**Per the great grandfather (see the end of the following video at the 1:16 mark)


The GGFather then says "they are supposed to...with their lawyer offer some kind of statement to the press at a later time...(-00:19)

Then the reporter then says "...as you just heard, the couple has now hired a lawyer .....

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/1276...er-Cooperating

Thank you to Hazel for finding this!

***ANONYMOUS TIP—LE searching Shawnee Kansas landfill.


http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-search-tied-to-Lisa-Irwin-case#ixzz1a7YeLYOn


**FBI: This is the second time they've searched the JOCO landfill. The first was Tuesday - hours after #LisaIrwin was reported missing.
10 minutes ago


**Searching landfill----possible connection to a dumpster fire at 4897 NE 37 st at 2:27 a.m. Tuesday, October 4. Dumpster less than ½ mile from Irwin home. Trash from fire been examined twice. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...-search-of-baby-lisa-20111007,0,5538504.story


#LisaIrwin update: FBI not saying what, if anything, found at landfill.

**searching using metal detectors behind the Irwin house.

** possible sighting in California
http://www.kmbc.com/r/29420106/detail.html


Thanks to BeanE:

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin prayer vigil beginning now. http://img.ly/9bGB
12 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
I also asked #LisaIrwin's aunt if she or family members were getting any sleep. She said, "Not a wink."
38 minutes ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Walking around P&L District with #LisaIrwin's aunt as she passes out fliers with Lisa's picture.
1 hour ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Talked briefly off camera with #LisaIrwin's aunt last night. Asked how her brother (Lisa's dad) was holding up. "He's a wreck."
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
About to head out to 6pm missing person flyer hanging & 9pm prayer vigil for #LisaIrwin. Family plans to attend both.
4 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin RT @itsvann @CliffJudy Prayer vigil location has changed to Penguin Park off of Vivion Rd @ 9pm
5 hours ago

LindsayShively Lindsay Shively
Just watched a 'nat'l media crew' tape a missing poster to a tree, shoot it then take it down. Not ok. Not journalism.
9 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
Family statement denied what police are saying, brought focus back to #LisaIrwin, and even thanked PD. Another statement planned tomorrow.
20 hours ago

CliffJudy Cliff Judy
What does latest in #LisaIrwin case mean? PD strategy: pressure parents. At very least, KCPD thinks parents not as forthcoming as possible.
20 hours ago


Cliff Judy
@CliffJudy Kansas City
Reporter for KMBC 9 in Kansas City.
http://twitter.com/#!/CliffJudy

Thanks Shelby1

I'm bumping this to move it to the current page. Great work!

 

[Gardenlady]

Thanks so much JeannieC for bringing that forward, and to Shelby for all her hard work!

I'm still not suspicious of mom and dad. I started out this case very impressed with how LE were handling things, but as events have unfolded the last few days, I've become less impressed. I think they were using typical interrogation techniques of trying to turn this couple against each other, telling mom she failed poly, all to try to get a confession, and it backfired on them. What's worse is that I think they were trying this because they have absolutely NOTHING else to go on at all, which is so frightening for little Lisa.

I wish peace calm for both the parents and LE, all of whom are human, and stressed, and emotionally involved. May cooler heads prevail, and progress be made in finding little Lisa today, please!

 

[~n/t~]

Community holds vigil for missing infant Lisa Irwin

Pictures at the link

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/07/3194141/community-holds-vigil-for-missing.html

Lisa :rose:

 

[~n/t~]

Supporters pray for missing infant

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/07/3194152/supporters-pray-for-missing-infant.html

 

[~n/t~]

COMPLETE COVERAGE: SEARCH FOR BABY LISA IRWIN

http://www.kplr11.com/news/wdaf-search-for-baby-lisa-complete-coverage-20111007,0,7003253.special

 

[Lera213]

I think I'm going to have to divorce myself from this case. I don't get it how so many can believe the mother when all she is doing in the press is talking about herself. I heard on Sirus radio a preview of her interview tonight on JP show and the question ask was something like what is this like. She goes on to talk about herself.

I must have entered the twilght zone. I was fooled for 3 days, maybe it is just because we've had so many bad outcomes that we are willing ourselves to hold onto the world is not all bad with mom's and or dads throwing their children out or something. I'm not putting any poster down. Really I am not, I'm trying to understand and a big part of me really does but then when I read and read all the excuses (lack of better word) I'm just floored.

Wake me up when they find Baby Lisa.

I really am not picking on anyone. Please do not take it as I am because I'm so not.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Has anyone heard anymore about the California tip, or the tip from the travel stop?

 

[Gardenlady]

I think travel stop didn't pan out. Cali tip I haven't seen anything else about. I'm making my way through the overnight news updates, if I see anything I'll post it.

 

[saba]

I think I'm going to have to divorce myself from this case. I don't get it how so many can believe the mother when all she is doing in the press is talking about herself. I heard on Sirus radio a preview of her interview tonight on JP show and the question ask was something like what is this like. She goes on to talk about herself.

I must have entered the twilght zone. I was fooled for 3 days, maybe it is just because we've had so many bad outcomes that we are willing ourselves to hold onto the world is not all bad with mom's and or dads throwing their children out or something. I'm not putting any poster down. Really I am not, I'm trying to understand and a big part of me really does but then when I read and read all the excuses (lack of better word) I'm just floored.

Wake me up when they find Baby Lisa.

I really am not picking on anyone. Please do not take it as I am because I'm so not.

I just looked at the overnight news and there were only two dozen people at the vigil. People have a way of voting with their feet. If mom doesn't firmly deny that there was a 2:30 am phone call when they have disputed every other picayune detail then I think support for them is going to go downhill quickly.

 

[~n/t~]

I don't know what to think in this case. There is so little released by LE. One thing I've noticed and perhaps others have as well. This morning, I went through some of the videos with the parents and I noticed a "distance" between them. I won't speculate on what that may mean because I'm not a body language expert but it's definitely noticeable.

As in this photo for example:

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/07/3194152/supporters-pray-for-missing-infant.html

 

[JeannieC]

Lisa Irwin Missing: FBI Searches For Missouri Baby In Kansas Landfill


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/08/lisa-irwin-missing-fbi-searches-landfill_n_1001282.html

 

[JeannieC]

I don't know what to think in this case. There is so little released by LE. One thing I've noticed and perhaps others have as well. This morning, I went through some of the videos with the parents and I noticed a "distance" between them. I won't speculate on what that may mean because I'm not a body language expert but it's definitely noticeable.

As in this photo for example:

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/07/3194152/supporters-pray-for-missing-infant.html

I noticed that too. The caption caught my eye:

Deborah Bradley, left, and Jeremy Irwin embrace while in the lobby of an Hampton Inn hotel in Kansas City, Mo., Friday, Oct. 7, 2011.

I don't know but an embrace to me requires arms...............imo