MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #8

[elepher50]

But just some random psycho wandering around would not know which bedroom is which. Sleeping habits. Work habits. Lock-the-door habits. If they had dogs or not. Dad's 1st night on night shift. I could go on and on, but you get my drift. I am now 100% convinced that it was NOT random! Don't really have a solid opinion who actually did it though.

Oh, yeah. There is only 1 house that people moved that I am aware of a few doors down and they also still live local. Easy enough to find out. I don't see them wanting a baby to add to their brood either! Stranger things have happened though!

Too many "firsts" for this to be a true stranger abduction unless their house was being staked out and behaviors/work schedules were being watched. MOO is that this was not a random act by a stranger - a perp maybe but not a stranger. MOO still sits that neither mom or dad is involved with the disappearance of Lisa.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

The FBI has offered rewards in other cases...not offering one here. Why not? Do they have almost everything they need to figure out what happened to Lisa?

No, IMO. At every single presser I've seen, LE says they pretty much have nothing and are begging the public for information.

 

[anothersheart71]

It was stated by someone who says they are Lisa's grandfather and it is on Facebook - Lisa Irwin Updates

In an interview by a KCTV 5 news reporter talking to the grandfather....I think the link is in thread #6....during this interview the grandfather states that the parents and children had been over for a birthday party for a grandson's 8th birthday on Sunday....that Lisa had a cold and was a bit fussy but still smiling and happy. I know we have the link posted somewhere but I am not able to find it on their website now. It aired on KCTV 5 on Thursday evening I believe is when I saw it.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I don't think this video mentions DNA but it shows LE at the neighbors house 2 doors down. It's at the 1:55 mark.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44827306#44827306

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That is a very telling scene. At least one male detective and woman detective talking to a guy with paperwork in hand out on the street instead of in the house.

To me that might mean it is the home of the teenager and they just want to talk to the dad. An hour is a long time.

I think the sighting of the man with a baby on the road was around midnight.

It was around 2am.

"One neighbor interviewed said he had seen a man carrying a baby near the Irwin's home at 2 a.m. Tuesday, but police spokesman Darin Snapp told MSNBC that lead "went nowhere."

From: http://m.ibtimes.com/lisa-irwin-mis...ds-called-off-police-siblings-fbi-225781.html

Add it all together with the info about the teen and taking DNA it really makes me wonder.

 

[wfgodot]

Hmmm...well if it was at/around 2am that is close enough to 2:30 to seem suspicious. I wonder if it really 'went nowhere' or just being kept quiet for some reason. Thank you Kaylynn!!!

Local MSM sources (see above @ post #183) quote the man's wife as saying he returned home and saw the man carrying the diapered baby around midnight.

Another merry mix-up with the press, though I've never really heard of the the other source - International Business Times, which does not appear to be local to the case.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

If the teen holds any clue in this, IMO it won't be the teen themselves. It will be someone in the teens family (father would be my first guess).

 

[grandmaj]

I think if everyone can remember one single rule here it would be helpful to your staying in sync with our rules.

If you cannot link to a source that means the discussion is not allowed. So if a site cannot be linked to it is a violation of the rules to post what you are reading without the link. In fact it is more serious because it appears you are trying to get around the rules.

Not saying that is what is happening here, we have lots of newbies which is good. So get your links ready if it isn't something that we have already sourced in the past, new information. xoxoxo

Thanks.

 

[DairyGirl]

I guess I'm older than baby monitors. LOL Or I was too poor to have one. I always left the door partially open so that I could hear my baby. Even at Lisa's age.

I never owned a baby monitor and I always kept their doors closed, all 5 of them, and the grandkids. God knows it is hard enough to get them to sleep and I wasn't taking any chances of anything in the house waking them up. Believe me, I always knew when my kids were up. Of course I slept with them until they were, uh, in High School? JK, but my 16 year old still comes into my room at night when she is scared.

 

[EllaMae]

Which is why regulations against cribs with lowering sides still strikes me as counter-productive. One hazard, exchanged for another.

I used to fling myself out of the crib as a toddler. Which might explain a few things.

I posted this last night but I will repost since the crib was brought up again....


Per my pediatrician, who raised 6 of his own kids, and has seen it all:

A fall from a crib onto a carpeted floor is highly unlikely to cause serious damage to a baby. Even a fall onto a hardwood floor will more than likely do no lasting harm. It is falls from grocery carts onto concrete floors, or high falls onto very hard surfaces that cause the kind of damage you are all speculating about.
My child fell from her crib while climbing out ( and yes the mattress was lowered), and she was fine. My niece fell off a counter top on her face/forehead while in her baby carrier at 3 months of age, onto a vinyl floor over a concrete slab, and she was fine.
He told me that it is really not that common for falls to do serious, permanent damage, or to cause the death of a baby. That's why police don't believe abusers when they claim massive damage was caused from a fall off of a sofa or off a table, etc.

 

[liz b.]

This morning I read that DNA sample was taken from the teenage neighbor. Then I read that the teenager had been over at the house that day. Was wondering : wouldn't her/his DNA be expected to be found then ? MOO

 

[Just K]

If the parents were involved their thinking could also be that describing what she was wearing would show that a stranger took her if her clothes were found.

I'm not convinced one way or the other about the parents involvement.

JMHO

And that takes us back to the curious dumpster fire. Bring attention to a burning dumpster so that the police will find evidence that someone removed the child's clothing and set them on fire to destroy evidence of the specific clothing that the mother would describe.

Hypothesis: Parents know what happened to the child, either a fake abduction, to garner attention and then money, and they plan to have someone mysteriously drop her off to be found

or something happened in that home and they are covering for someone in the house

If not, someone really did steal their child and their cellphones, took off the identifying clothes, threw them in a nearby dumpster, got into a waiting vehicle and left the scene.

The last scenario seems the most absurd.

 

[BeanE]

Kansas City police confirm they have talked with Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley by phone today.
by Karen Yancey 1:21 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1aDSWbY9n

BBM. Well so much for that.

 

[pdxmama]

Baby monitor?

May be easier to help the baby sleep while her siblings are still up if you close the door to her room.

Sleeping with closed bedroom doors is also recommended by fire departments as a safety measure in case there is a fire in the home at night. We received a brochure once about how to create a Family Fire Safety Plan and that was one of the steps to take.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Local MSM sources (see above @ post #183) quote the man's wife as saying he returned home and saw the man carrying the diapered baby around midnight.

Another merry mix-up with the press, though I've never really heard of the the other source - International Business Times, which does not appear to be local to the case.

I just did a search and I've found several articles stating midnight, several stating 2am, and a few stating 1am.

So, I guess it's media mis-reporting (again) and the actual time is pretty much up in the air right now.

 

[vlpate]

I saw it on MSM and read it on MSM and cannot find it now - I really don't think I have gone totally batty but ya never know:crazy:

http://www.kctv5.com/
Scroll down on the right until you get to Photo Galleries

I keep getting an error when I click on the link, but it could be my browser settings.

 

[cluciano63]

This morning I read that DNA sample was taken from the teenage neighbor. Then I read that the teenager had been over at the house that day. Was wondering : wouldn't her/his DNA be expected to be found then ? MOO

Maybe the teen was a babysitter and they need to rule out all DNA in the baby's room.

 

[marge_rita]

and...

And.......read the article that included with my comment.

 

[mentalsolstice]

If you detect vitriol in my statements it may be true. It makes me sick to think of people using a missing child as a money making venture. That turned me off right there. There is no good reason to go making deals with networks when your child is missing. If my child was missing I would be paying all the news outlets to run their story. If I wanted to offer a reward I would use my own money or borrow it. I would not be asking for money at this time. I have enough family/friends to help me financially to get me through any hardships I might have. The only help I would want from strangers is to keep looking for my child and spreading the word.
The lack of cooperation with LE is another sticking point but I would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if money wasn't involved.

Good that you have friends and resources to help you out in such a situation. I think a lot of what is happening here is so many of us were turned off by the Anthony's money raising tactics, and we forget that initially raising money with interviews and setting up a trust fund is very common in missing persons cases. I've never been aware of such a case that did not involve donations and such.

Unlike yourself, perhaps Irwin/Bradley and their families and friends do not have a lot of financial resources...and with today's economy a lot of people are already maxed out with their savings and credit.

I'm on the fence about this case, however, I'm trying to give Irwin/Bradley the benefit of the doubt until there is concrete proof implicating them.

 

[wfgodot]

And that takes us back to the curious dumpster fire. Bring attention to a burning dumpster so that the police will find evidence that someone removed the child's clothing and set them on fire to destroy evidence of the specific clothing that the mother would describe.

Hypothesis: Parents know what happened to the child, either a fake abduction, to garner attention and then money, and they plan to have someone mysteriously drop her off to be found

or something happened in that home and they are covering for someone in the house

If not someone really did steal their child and their cellphones, took off the identifying clothes, threw them in a nearby dumpster, got into a waiting vehicle and left the scene.

The last scenario seems the most absurd.

Respecting your opinion but begging to differ, I would say that the first scenario is the more absurd.

 

[wfgodot]

I just did a search and I've found several articles stating midnight, several stating 2am, and a few stating 1am.

So, I guess it's media mis-reporting (again) and the actual time is pretty much up in the air right now.

Me too, was just googling! Coin-flip time. Heads, midnight, tails, 2 a.m.