MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #9

[twall]

I've never heard such a thing, no. And certainly not in an estranged or separated situation. No idea where you got that. Matrimonial law varies dramatically from state to state, but I've never heard anything like that before. The father is the father.

That is the law in Florida. Look up Miranda Wilkerson.

 

[sorrell skye]

I think that the state of the crib is a moot point, just like the shorts she was sleeping in. I think those bins and the tub were likely being stored under the crib, the police needed to inspect under there, so they stacked them inside the crib.

I think the mattress was lower than it looked because of the bumper height and even if it wasn't it is not likely that the baby fell out of the crib and died. Kids climb out of cribs all the time. Kids take a lot of falls and don't die. I just find it an unlikely scenario.

This seems to be what happens when we are starved for new information.

BBM

Respectfully, I don't feel it's a moot point at all.

Until verification is given that the state the nursery was filmed was how LE left it, I don't think anyone can assume it to be a fact, IMO. I learned a loooong time ago - never assume anything.

Here's my current question: is there proof that the baby even slept in her crib on a regular basis? Is there proof that the baby was put to bed in her crib on the night she disappeared?

AFAIK, there is no incontrovertible proof of either.

 

[Cappuccino]

Well then, on this, we will have to agree to disagree...

You mean you're a CSI Miami fan??? Oh, the horror!!!

(joke).

I wish we would get some news about Lisa, or suspects or anything. We're like a bunch of cats chasing our tails at this point.

 

[wfgodot]

164 members and 157 guests right now - guests, join us. You have much to add to the conversation.

 

[MyBelle]

I posted a link to this on another thread. Deborah went through the State of Missouri to get child support.

If or when Deborah and Sean get divorced, Jeremy will have to be named as a third party in the divorce. There will be a count in the divorce petition specifically addressing the paternity of Lisa and naming Jeremy her bio father.

I wonder if her checkered past has more to do some type of welfare fraud such as food stamps or unpaid debts and running from collectors.

JMO

 

[Shelby1]

After reading and watching for three days, I did not know JI waited two days to mention the cell phones were missing. Is this correct or somehow out of context?

I know I have a link if not on my timeline, then it's saved, but I'm trying to put dinner on the table.

The first day a reporter either used bad sentence structure, or just got the whole thing wrong. The report stated that the phones were taken and it read like LE had confiscated the phones. Not correct. The phones were taken and LE knew right away.


MY opinion below:
I believe LE did not want to release any info about the missing phones and are not happy with the family that they did.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong in any way.

 

[marge_rita]

Sleep deprivation only breaks a person down, which is exactly what police were attempting - it is NOT the best method to gain information, it is a method to wear down the interrogated.

A break for rest and sleep is appropriate.

SarahW,
I agree the parents need sleep and rest. BUT baby Lisa disappeared late Monday night or early Tuesday morning, meaning her parents were probably questioned all day Tuesday. Today is Sat. Oct 8th. They've had time to rest imo.

The parents could easily ask LE to come to their home to talk with them if they felt more comfortable.


imo

 

[JeannieC]

In Ohio, that law is still on the books. You have to prove the husband is not the father even if you both know for a fact he isnt.

Ohio also has a law on the books that states its illegal to spit tobacco from the second floor of the court house into the lobby below. :floorlaugh:

 

[southern_comfort]

Someone ages ago explained to me that those laws were written and necessary at a time when there was no way to prove paternity.

There is also an element of protection of the child, to prevent harm or scandal associated with being the product of an extramarital affair and to protect the stability of the family. The US Supreme Court has actually ruled that a man has no right to interfere with a family or to exercise his paternity, even when DNA has proven that he is certainly a child's biological father.

 

[mrye4709]

In the state of Tennessee, when this type of situation occurs, no divorce is granted until the birth of the child and then a DNA test is done. A young couple I know were separated, the mother had a boyfriend and became pregnant. Even though BOTH the mother and her soon to be Ex said the child was not his, their divorce was not granted until the results of the DNA came back.

I would think that in these days, any time there is a question, DNA would be gathered.

My son went thru this in OK. His GF left him and married a man in MO, when she divorced him my son went to a lawyer and had his name put on the BC and did so without a DNA test, but did have a statement from the ex. I never understood how they did that.

 

[SuziQ]

After reading and watching for three days, I did not know JI waited two days to mention the cell phones were missing. Is this correct or somehow out of context?

That is not correct. LE was informed immediately.

 

[Mojen]

I wonder if her checkered past has more to do some type of welfare fraud such as food stamps or unpaid debts and running from collectors.

JMO

Per Missouri CaseNet, she has only been sued for one alleged nonpayment, and that case was dismissed.

I watched the newscast when it was on tv, my opinion was they were talking about a bad family situation, nothing more.

I am interested for the news at 10:00pm to here from RR (his ex). Not that I am suspicious of him, I am interested in what she says about him.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Sleep deprivation only breaks a person down, which is exactly what police were attempting - it is NOT the best method to gain information, it is a method to wear down the interrogated.

A break for rest and sleep is appropriate.

Respectfully... yes...wasn't that the ultimate goal? They obviously had a reason to keep talking to the parents. A person will not be sleep deprived after 11 hours of questioning, even if they have been awake for the previous 11 hours. We know that dad was, but according to mom, she had sleep already before dad came home, and she was the one reportedly being questioned and accused the most. When you think of 11 hours, this time would fly by with talking to different people, taking the polygraph, telling the story several times. It's really not that much. And, I believe that they were offered something to drink during this time, given time to go to the bathroom, etc. Sure, they were not allowed to go home, but I bet they got time to do minor personal things.

LE has the responsibility of bringing the child home. They aren't going to get to the truth without questioning people, especially the parents.

 

[Mels3kidz]

You want to know the frustrating thing? The local affiliate here (tx)just this hour said the parents had been named 'chief suspects by investigators' after the failed LD. This kind of misinformation is unacceptable to say the least.:banghead::furious::banghead: I knew better, but many won't.

Are you in San Antonio too? That's what our local news just said.

Mel

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Ohio also has a law on the books that states its illegal to spit tobacco from the second floor of the court house into the lobby below. :floorlaugh:

... Somehow I'm glad I don't live in Ohio... (j/k).

 

[nursebeeme]

Well there are about 5 moderators sitting in this thread right now and it has been said repeatedly that we are not sleuthing out any other crime rumored to being related to this case based on a rumor that was deleted earlier. Rumors do not belong on WS.

Don't continue along this path.

---------------------------> what she said:rocker:

 

[Jacie Estes]

I know I have a link if not on my timeline, then it's saved, but I'm trying to put dinner on the table.

The first day a reporter either used bad sentence structure, or just got the whole thing wrong. The report stated that the phones were taken and it read like LE had confiscated the phones. Not correct. The phones were taken and LE knew right away.


MY opinion below:
I believe LE did not want to release any info about the missing phones and are not happy with the family that they did.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong in any way.

BBM Bird'sEye VOILA dinners and the microwave have been the 'cooking' in our house these last few days. Thank you for all the work you are doing to keep us up to date.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Thanks. I will go back to lurking on this thread and following the trail that MSM provides us.

You are very welcome!

Don't feel bad, lots of us have had to delete a post when we get all caught up in a case. I've learned to always do a final check before I hit "post"! ( well, almost always!):innocent:

 

[marge_rita]

No. I think it was not revealed by LE that the phones were missing. A relative supposedly wrote that " more than just the baby was taken " paraphrasing...And I think that either Jeremy or Deb then did tell a reporter about the phones being gone. I believe LE knew about the cell phones right away...MOO

Thank you liz b. I'm trying to keep up and I'm still missing things.

imo

 

[Mojen]

My son went thru this in OK. His GF left him and married a man in MO, when she divorced him my son went to a lawyer and had his name put on the BC and did so without a DNA test, but did have a statement from the ex. I never understood how they did that.

It's easy and requires no DNA testing as long as both parties agree.