MO - Police officer fatally shoots Vonderrick Myers in south St. Louis #2

[krimekat]

Frontenac PD will have no idea how to deal with this and is much too small.

they'll call in the County PD

 

[Jewels53]

This group doesn't appear to be very large, from what I can see.

 

[oh_gal]

D'oh! my bad, I forgot to post a language warning that your ears may fall off! sorry!

It's just a sad testament, to me, what these people's daily lives must be like, that they talk like that, without batting an eye. (Not that I haven't uttered a $h!t here and there, when a frozen roast falls on my foot, etc., but....man....nothing like that! Maybe it was just the shock of the moment...

 

[reedus23]

Four!!! LOL

Talk about double standards on how the law is enforced. I bet some in Ferguson have spent more time in jail for a simple speeding ticket than another guy with millions of dollars who has been "associated" with at least 2 women (might have been 3, can't remember) who have died. They don't want to wander that far south on Lindbergh though. I think if I remember correctly, the last time his house was raided, there was coke and all kinds of automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

 

[krimekat]

LOL - they weren't in the Plaza too long & now standing by a major thoroughfare? WOW

 

[reedus23]

To some extent, I can understand the feelings of most of the protesters. I have read and heard about many people who were severely abused by LEOs after being arrested (and sometimes without being arrested). I don't always accept LEs word as gospel because I know for a fact that some are far from honest. The problems I see with this situation are that not all LEOs are dishonest/corrupt, but they do all have to respond to issues like this; I believe they've picked bad cases to protest about; they're breaking laws while protesting, and they're trying very hard to push LE to the point of violence to prove they are violent.

I give them a lot of credit for being as "peaceful" as they have been. It's definitely better than the riots that have taken place in other cases and other places. There do seem to be several who are just looking to cause trouble, but most seem to really believe in what they're doing and saying. I think they do have some legitimate complaints, but they're going about things in the wrong way - unfortunately, I have no idea if there actually is a right way that would resolve the problems. MOO

Well said. I think part of the problem is that the youth want their voices heard and are wanting to express their frustration as much as they are marching for change but because of their youth they don't have those years of life experiences behind them to look at the picture 10 years down the road. They have no clear leader. They have dozens of different organizations, all with their own interests they are trying to promote, who are all inserting themselves.

 

[reedus23]

Yepp. County on scene

 

[reedus23]

This accomplishes nothing. There are more 14 and 15 year old kids standing outside Chesterfield Mall when I go to pick up my kids.

 

[popsicle]

Jason Rosenbaum ‏@jrosenbaum 1m1 minute ago
Demand #1: body cameras. Demand #2: Civilian review board. Demand #3: independent review of fatalities. Demand #4: End military surplus.

 

[krimekat]

Talk about double standards on how the law is enforced. I bet some in Ferguson have spent more time in jail for a simple speeding ticket than another guy with millions of dollars who has been "associated" with at least 2 women (might have been 3, can't remember) who have died. They don't want to wander that far south on Lindbergh though. I think if I remember correctly, the last time his house was raided, there was coke and all kinds of automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

I cannot argue with you there -- one in AZ & one in MO

Yeah, protesters don't want to mess with Frontenac, Huntleigh, Ladue, or Creve Coeur PD -- as if LE is not listening/monitoring protester movements

LOL - PD knew what was up! There's Ladue HS just down the street (but I believe it's a Holiday)

 

[reedus23]

Jason Rosenbaum ‏@jrosenbaum 1m1 minute ago
Demand #1: body cameras. Demand #2: Civilian review board. Demand #3: independent review of fatalities. Demand #4: End military surplus.

Not a bad start. At least they're enunciating what it is they would like to see.

 

[popsicle]

The mall protest didn't work because LE knew about before hand and they were in there waiting for them.

 

[reedus23]

I cannot argue with you there -- one in AZ & one in MO

Yeah, protesters don't want to mess with Frontenac, Huntleigh, Ladue, or Creve Coeur PD -- as if LE is not listening/monitoring protester movements

LOL - PD knew what was up! There's Ladue HS just down the street (but I believe it's a Holiday)

Yeah I don't know. I had 1 kid in school and 1 kid out today. I think Ladue is quite a ways away though. Isn't Ladue HS up off of Clayton? Other side of 40 and further east. They did walk right past St. Joe's, the all girls private school though I think.

 

[reedus23]

I wouldn't be surprised if some in that area have hired Blackwater to work as security. lol

 

[branwynbreeze]

This accomplishes nothing. There are more 14 and 15 year old kids standing outside Chesterfield Mall when I go to pick up my kids.

I was thinking same thing.

Could some explain their concept of causing discomfort to masses, it makes no sense to me. Every time they have a chant with naughty words in it I think of "tough" 12/13 y/o on school playground.

 

[DeDee]

This is part of the reason there is mistrust of police in the community. If you want to hate someone/the system you can always find a way to change the facts to suit your agenda. We have a system in place to enforce the laws. Not everyone agrees with it but we put those people in charge. If we have issues we need to address them properly and right up the line if necessary. As citizens we ALL need to take responsibility for our actions. No police officer wants to end his day by shooting someone and instinct, plus training will tell them to protect their lives. Someone supplied VM with guns, someone knew he had guns, someone never took the responsibility to take the guns away from him to keep this from happening to him.

Why do we expect a police officer to do the job parents and relatives should be doing to keep these young men from getting themselves killed and not just by police? That is the real issue here. We are all tired of hearing that the lives of young men are being destroyed by guns used to solve minor issues. jmo

Been away a couple of weeks and missed so many of WSs posts.

I heard an interesting fact that bears repeating here, imoo, of course.

"Homicide is far and away the leading cause of death for young black men, more than car accidents, suicide and diseases combined, according to an article co-authored by a Florida Atlantic University physician."

"Broward [County]'s young black men are five times more likely to die from homicide than young white men," according to CDC data gathered during 2006 to 2010.

"The national homicide rate for young black men is .... 77 out of 100,000."

"New Orleans area had .... 426 homicide deaths for every 100,000 young black men."

"Weekes [a Broward Co. public defender] said one possible reason could be the distrust some young black men have of law enforcement."

"Experts also point to poverty. Black men may be less likely to die in a car or motorcycle accident because they may not be able to afford those..."


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...ng-black-men-homicide-rate-homicide-top-cause

These facts hurt my heart to reveal the truth of the matter. My eyes are watering because black men do not know how to pull themselves out of the gutter.

I saw a picture on Twitter not long ago. On the left side depicted a nice looking young black man smiling brightly in his cap and gown ready for graduation and filled with all of the promises of opportunity. Depicted on the right side was a black man with a blunt hanging out of his mouth held in place by his teeth, a teardrop tattoo by one of his blood-shot eyes, his pants hanging down below his butt, his hands forming gang symbols and a tiny toddler standing nearby.

So my question is when did the change occur? And why did the change occur? What can we do to help them return to a life of self-dignity and self-love?

One thing I truly believe would help and that is if our POTUS would come out and make a statement to encourage thugs to begin their life of honesty, integrity and contentment. He has missed a golden opportunity to help guide the young black residents of Ferguson, Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, Memphis and St Louis by developing programs where individuals could learn a working man's trade.

JMO

 

[krimekat]

Yeah I don't know. I had 1 kid in school and 1 kid out today. I think Ladue is quite a ways away though. Isn't Ladue HS up off of Clayton? Other side of 40 and further east. They did walk right past St. Joe's, the all girls private school though I think.

warson/conway - yes, north of 40

 

[popsicle]

Nicholas J.C. Pistor ‏@nickpistor 2m2 minutes ago
Rainford said Mayor Slay is undergoing a medical procedure today. #FergusonOctober

 

[Jewels53]

https://stringwire.com/watch/_EUt

From NBC

 

[Jewels53]

https://stringwire.com/watch/_EUt

From NBC

Sorry now it is gone.