MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

[Nadal]

Just realized i said "women are more often pregnant than not" i obviously meant the other way round lol.

 

[cherrymeg]

Interesting, i'd be interested in seeing that. I wonder if they were including individual women who experienced violence both while pregnant and not under both. I quickly googled it and found a link saying between 3.8 and 8.8% of pregnant women reported intimate partner violence and between 15 and 71% of non pregnant women have reported intimate partner violence. But i'm not sure how in depth it is and of course it's focusing on something specific with "intimate partner violence".

Personally i doubt more pregnant women are killed than not simply because women are more often pregnant than not and some never get pregnant, but maybe a higher rate are which may have been what you were saying and i misinterpreted you.

I think I miss quoted what I heard. Or it's that if you look at pregnant women and non pregnant women, there is a higher percentage of violence against pregnant women. That doesn't mean more pregnant women are killed or abused it just means that group has a high percentage. I don't know where I heard the murder thing. It might had been a show, an article or in a book. It might not be true.

 

[cherrymeg]

Just realized i said "women are more often pregnant than not" i obviously meant the other way round lol.

I read it the way you meant it.

 

[cherrymeg]

Wish i had something to offer but no i haven't read much about it only really some of this thread and an article. I'll try and find time in the next few days to read the various links and get an idea of what went on and who everyone is then join the thread, it's definitely a fascinating and tragic case.

It's also weird. Three people vanishing with cars in the driveway purses in the house.

 

[k-mac]

Interesting, i'd be interested in seeing that. I wonder if they were including individual women who experienced violence both while pregnant and not under both. I quickly googled it and found a link saying between 3.8 and 8.8% of pregnant women reported intimate partner violence and between 15 and 71% of non pregnant women have reported intimate partner violence. But i'm not sure how in depth it is and of course it's focusing on something specific with "intimate partner violence".

Personally i doubt more pregnant women are killed than not simply because women are more often pregnant than not and some never get pregnant, but maybe a higher rate are which may have been what you were saying and i misinterpreted you.

I think it gets risky for pregnant women when its an accidental /and or hidden relationship the unwanted pregnancy is a very common theme of murder.
don't know the stats though.

 

[Nadal]

I think it gets risky for pregnant women when its an accidental /and or hidden relationship the unwanted pregnancy is a very common theme of murder.
don't know the stats though.

Yeah absolutely, i'm aware that women suffer all kinds of violence pregnant or not, and the feeling of being tied down by a family is a reoccurring theme in murders of women although often after the children are born. I was just taken aback by that statement because it didn't sound right to me but i had no idea either way, we cleared up the confusion though.

 

[Nadal]

It's also weird. Three people vanishing with cars in the driveway purses in the house.

Yeah, it's baffling. Seems like the only real options are someone they knew or the girls brought someone home who had a gun they didn't know about and subdued them when they got to the house with it. Who knows i need to read up as i'm aware there's a number of suspects or persons of interest but i haven't had the chance to look into them.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

<modsnip: rude and personalizing comments are not allowed>

The cops and crime orgs investigated organized crime for this case. It was not something they just did to "cover bases." It was a full blown investigation into the GGMC and other criminal networks in the area. There were two primary gangs. The Gooses and Chicago Boys.

The Newsleader reported someone at High on the Hog heard the Gooses had a role in this crime. It was a biker club back then.

It is not farfetched as we all know Sherrill dated biker types. Both Brentt Streeter and Don Levitt were that type of person... I don't buy this connection though. I think it was Dusty's relationship to Suzie that led to a criminal group finding the women. Probably started when the cops first arrested Dusty.

 

[Talullah]

<modsnip: rude and personalizing comments are not allowed>

The cops and crime orgs investigated organized crime for this case. It was not something they just did to "cover bases." It was a full blown investigation into the GGMC and other criminal networks in the area. There were two primary gangs. The Gooses and Chicago Boys.

The Newsleader reported someone at High on the Hog heard the Gooses had a role in this crime. It was a biker club back then.

It is not farfetched as we all know Sherrill dated biker types. Both Brentt Streeter and Don Levitt were that type of person... I don't buy this connection though. I think it was Dusty's relationship to Suzie that led to a criminal group finding the women. Probably started when the cops first arrested Dusty.

Do you have links regarding the types of men in Sherrill’s life?

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Do you have links regarding the types of men in Sherrill’s life?

Bartt's own words on Disappeared/interviews and brief social media digging on Levitt.

 

[cherrymeg]

Bartt's own words on Disappeared/interviews and brief social media digging on Levitt.

Links help support theories.

 

[cherrymeg]

I think it gets risky for pregnant women when its an accidental /and or hidden relationship the unwanted pregnancy is a very common theme of murder.
don't know the stats though.

That makes pregnancy sound terrifying. I realize I made it sound even scarier than pregnancy is anyway.
Having your period or just before your period can make you feel sick and crampy. I know when women mention feeling sick and it's noted by others, it makes you wonder what it means, if anything. Without a body you can't prove one way or another barring medical records. I think she was trying to hint that she was uncomfortable. moo

 

[cherrymeg]

<modsnip: rude and personalizing comments are not allowed>

The cops and crime orgs investigated organized crime for this case. It was not something they just did to "cover bases." It was a full blown investigation into the GGMC and other criminal networks in the area. There were two primary gangs. The Gooses and Chicago Boys.

The Newsleader reported someone at High on the Hog heard the Gooses had a role in this crime. It was a biker club back then.

It is not farfetched as we all know Sherrill dated biker types. Both Brentt Streeter and Don Levitt were that type of person... I don't buy this connection though. I think it was Dusty's relationship to Suzie that led to a criminal group finding the women. Probably started when the cops first arrested Dusty.

Why would Dusty be the only way that Suzie or Stacy could attract or meet dangerous men. How many men have killed women or teens because they saw them and wanted them after seeing them in social area like a mall, or walking home or to their car. Why assume that rapists and killers wait for introductions?

 

[cherrymeg]

Yeah, it's baffling. Seems like the only real options are someone they knew or the girls brought someone home who had a gun they didn't know about and subdued them when they got to the house with it. Who knows i need to read up as i'm aware there's a number of suspects or persons of interest but i haven't had the chance to look into them.

I always wondered how would all three be subdued especially when you have a parent and a friend. One might be more likely to take a bullet the other might decide to try and save themselves. The house the cares everything looked normal. I know before or some people still tell women to go along with a rapist because they might kill you. I know they say getting into a car if you are being kidnapped your survival chances go down. I remember telling my son to never get in a car if a stranger or anyone points a gun at you, and run in a zig-zag pattern. I'm not sure where I heard that safety tip.
I could see them thinking this is a robbery but once removed from the house that would be a red flag. Could they have been drugged and removed?
What would make you leave your home with friends or family. What could someone do to get you outside or to get into a vehicle?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

<modsnip: rude and personalizing comments are not allowed>

The cops and crime orgs investigated organized crime for this case. It was not something they just did to "cover bases." It was a full blown investigation into the GGMC and other criminal networks in the area. There were two primary gangs. The Gooses and Chicago Boys.

The Newsleader reported someone at High on the Hog heard the Gooses had a role in this crime. It was a biker club back then.

It is not farfetched as we all know Sherrill dated biker types. Both Brentt Streeter and Don Levitt were that type of person... I don't buy this connection though. I think it was Dusty's relationship to Suzie that led to a criminal group finding the women. Probably started when the cops first arrested Dusty.

Are you referring to "High on the Hog" not being a biker club, or that the GGMC weren't a biker club back in 1992. If you're referring to the GGMC, that club dates back to the 50's. And they were in the area in the early 90's. I think if I recall what I've heard, the early 90's is when they came to Springfield. May be earlier. Sorry if that's not what you were referring to, not trying to be critical at all. I just know that the history of the club itself dates back to the 50's and that they were in Springfield in the early 90's.
But interesting piece of information. I've heard the GGMC angles, and rumors, but never had anything solid reference to that being mentioned in the Newsleader.
And there's the fact that the Organized Crime Task Force of the time, was called in.....and as you said, not just as matter of routine. I firmly believe that there a legitimate reason they were part of the investigation early on.
Very interesting......and potentially validating as well!!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Hey....Just want to remind everyone.....If history is any indicator......They will shut this forum down if we all start Bickering.
Personally I'm tired of bickering with people, and am guilty of being pointed in the past because I get pationate about the integrity of this case, and getting to the bottom of it.
But if I've learned one lesson, it's that they will shut this forum down yet again, if people start bickering. They seem to be very sensitive to that.
I'd personally like to talk abou this case in a way that the moderators don't get upset and shut us down again for the 100th time.
And this is said with all due respect to all.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

And for the record I'm not reporting anyone for anything. Period. Just don't want anyone else to, because it only takes one, and they'll be on us like stink on you know what.

 

[Nadal]

I always wondered how would all three be subdued especially when you have a parent and a friend. One might be more likely to take a bullet the other might decide to try and save themselves. The house the cares everything looked normal. I know before or some people still tell women to go along with a rapist because they might kill you. I know they say getting into a car if you are being kidnapped your survival chances go down. I remember telling my son to never get in a car if a stranger or anyone points a gun at you, and run in a zig-zag pattern. I'm not sure where I heard that safety tip.
I could see them thinking this is a robbery but once removed from the house that would be a red flag. Could they have been drugged and removed?
What would make you leave your home with friends or family. What could someone do to get you outside or to get into a vehicle?

I've actually heard you aren't supposed to go with an abductor because they are likely going to kill you especially if you've seen their face and going with them gives them more control, because they likely want to take you somewhere because the current location isn't safe for them as an abductor. I think that's more honest advice than say typical PSA's, the government often gives advice to reassure people before they've ever been abducted because most people are going to comply with their attacker and in the moment if they've been told this is their best move it will calm then down to a degree IMO. Reminds me of the guidelines the government gave to POW's that John McCain who was an actual POW mercilessly mocked as a bunch of suits who never have or will be in that type of situation badly advising those who are. McCain advised POW's to go with their instict and not what the government told them. An ex of mine was told this by a rape survivors group so i'd trust them more than people who have likely never been in a position like that.

I've heard the zig-zag pattern too, i think that's actual police procedure. I know it worked in the events from the book The Onion Field, the killers shot one officer and the other took off running in a zig zag pattern and luckily they didn't hit him, i think he had luck with how dark it was and the location too though, plus one of the killers didn't want to be there or take part in this. Actually, The Onion Field is another example of what i was talking about (except the other way round lol) because after those events the police changed their policy to never complying with an abductor under any circumstances which greatly angered a bunch of experienced officers who felt suits who just sat at desks were trying to dictate what someone on the street should do, think you could be reprimanded for complying even. I think what this shows is there's no real advice that'll work you should just go with your instinct and hope for the best, horrifying. I think those who survive abductions have some external circumstance go their way more than anything.

I think there's several ways friends or family could get you to leave. Invite you to a party, tell you a relative has had an accident or something this would especially work better in 1992 when you wouldn't have a mobile or social media or whatever to check. It'd be pretty simple for someone you trust to get you to just leave but iirc one was in their underwear (like i said i haven't read much about this so i don't know if this was rumour or an assumption or what) so that doesn't make sense, it being someone they trust likely only explains how they got into the house not why they left without a disturbance.

 

[TedMac]

I always wondered how would all three be subdued especially when you have a parent and a friend. One might be more likely to take a bullet the other might decide to try and save themselves. The house the cares everything looked normal. I know before or some people still tell women to go along with a rapist because they might kill you. I know they say getting into a car if you are being kidnapped your survival chances go down. I remember telling my son to never get in a car if a stranger or anyone points a gun at you, and run in a zig-zag pattern. I'm not sure where I heard that safety tip.
I could see them thinking this is a robbery but once removed from the house that would be a red flag. Could they have been drugged and removed?
What would make you leave your home with friends or family. What could someone do to get you outside or to get into a vehicle?

BBM...We don't know how many people were involved in the abduction, so it could have been any number of people. I too, have wondered how the abductor(s) was able to subdue them and get them out of the house without making a big "mess" inside the house. There was no evidence of a struggle. I think it was probably one of two ways...(1) the abductor(s) was someone they knew or simply didn't fear would harm them. Or (2) the three women were looking down the barrel of a gun. One never knows how they will react until they have a gun drawn on them. I tend to believe it was the latter. Even if the abductor(s) was someone they knew or even someone in uniform such as a police officer, the women would have been hesitant to go with them at that time of the morning. I believe their common sense would have caused them to balk or resist. On the other hand, if the abductor(s) had pointed a gun at them and been an intimidating person (making threats to kill them, etc), they may have simply gone along with them and not struggled out of fear.

All the above is MOO.

 

[Sillybilly]

Bartt's own words on Disappeared/interviews and brief social media digging on Levitt.

Social media is NOT an approved source of information at Websleuths.