MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

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  • #521
Wait he changed lawyers but still appeared with Lada?

That makes no sense at all.

Until you prove it, I won't believe it. Case Net is more likely to be accurate on this matter than whatever you're trying to tell me.

I said Lada filled for a notice of conflict and they had him use various ones while that was being decided. Now you need to read. Mike was not in control of who because he was just given a public defender.
 
  • #522
Few things to address here.

1. Yes, Mike would love for you to think it was nothing more than an outburst to a mean ol' detective. That's the narrative. It's worked here.

2. No one is saying all three did the crime. Read the posts carefully. Details matter. People need to stop lumping them together. They are three separate people.

3. It's psychopathic to break into a mausoleum, break the skulls off out of the crypt, and put them in trees where kids would see them. It's not happened in Springfield before or since. It's a precursor to potentially psychopathic behavior. Couple that with Joe's routine break-ins around Springfield at the time, and I could easily see him breaking into the Levitt home that night. Could easily see him having no qualms about knowing of someone else doing it either.

4. Mike was no friend of Suzie ever. By almost every definition of the word.

5. Joe may have talked to police. I have no idea nor did I say that. I meant his "talking" hasn't gotten him into any trouble.

You like to assume and go on from there. You have no idea what is true or not in assumptions.
 
  • #523
I know it is a little thing, but they used Dusty’s id and not Mike’s.

My bad, I meant to write "Dustin" so I'm not sure why "Mike" came out instead. Will fix it now.
 
  • #524
I said Lada filled for a notice of conflict and they had him use various ones while that was being decided. Now you need to read. Mike was not in control of who because he was just given a public defender.
Filing a notice or not doesn't mean anything, he appeared with Lada in 1992 and in 1994. And every time between.

Of course there's a conflict of interest. Joe decided to snitch. Lada's hands are on both cases. Makes zero sense.

I'll be awaiting your proof that a lawyer change occurred.
 
  • #525
You like to assume and go on from there. You have no idea what is true or not in assumptions.
I like to assume? You gave me a load of rationalizing about Joe. And how criminals should and shouldn't act about things they're supposed to magically know when you only have hindsight. You did nothing but rationalize behaviors and down play. Same thing Mike did.

I'm the only one consistently pointing out facts in this case. It's in my entire post history.
 
  • #526
Filing a notice or not doesn't mean anything, he appeared with Lada in 1992 and in 1994. And every time between.

Of course there's a conflict of interest. Joe decided to snitch. Lada's hands are on both cases. Makes zero sense.

I'll be awaiting your proof that a lawyer change occurred.

I agree that he was used. He also filed and in the interim others were used in paperwork for notices to him. The fact that Mike really had no control over this no matter what and that the lawyer did agree it was weird and why he filed proves what? What does this have to do with anything?
 
  • #527
Honestly, this is a pretty minor inconsistency. I would be concerned if he started exaggerating how much they hung out and saying that they used to call each other every day, but "He said she was a friend seven years ago and now says she was" isn't a smoking gun. We don't know how often they saw each other or how much they interacted on those occasions. There have been times where I looked back on (non-romantic) relationships where I considered the person a friend but, upon reflection, realized that it was more of an acquaintance relationship than anything. It's fairly subjective stuff.

"I hope those *****es are dead" is an awful thing to say, but it sounds more like the angry outburst of a 19-year-old who clearly wasn't a great decision-maker at the time and incorrectly thought that Suzie was the one who ratted him out.

I'm more concerned about evidence and someone's ability to pull off a crime like this. I don't think three guys who broke into a cemetery high on LSD and then got caught because they tried to pawn off the gold teeth using Dustin's ID card are competent enough as criminals to pull off an abduction and (presumed) triple homicide, get rid of all the evidence, and get away with it for nearly 30 years. Using your own ID to pawn off something as strange as teeth, only a short time after the break-in and a short distance away, is amateur hour. IMO this was the work of somebody who wasn't new to committing violence against women and knew how to cover their tracks.

I actually googled pawning teeth, it's a thing. Some funeral homes return dead relatives teeth that have gold fillings in them. I thought it was an odd thing to pawn or sell but people do it.
I don't think these guys were criminal masterminds and making three women disappear - I can't see it.
 
  • #528
I like to assume? You gave me a load of rationalizing about Joe. And how criminals should and shouldn't act about things they're supposed to magically know when you only have hindsight. You did nothing but rationalize behaviors and down play. Same thing Mike did.

I'm the only one consistently pointing out facts in this case. It's in my entire post history.

Ok so assuming criminals would not like a person that blabbed at a party, made a statement against friends, and testified against friends is the same as what you are doing, got it.
 
  • #529
Ok so assuming criminals would not like a person that blabbed at a party, made a statement against friends, and testified against friends is the same as what you are doing, got it.
If you want to be a champion for hating assumptions, why don't you start with the post about Asher being "creepy." That's a weird assumption you haven't attacked yet. At least be consistent in your debating here.

You still don't get the point about Joe. If he was involved, why would be blab on himself?
 
  • #530
I agree that he was used. He also filed and in the interim others were used in paperwork for notices to him. The fact that Mike really had no control over this no matter what and that the lawyer did agree it was weird and why he filed proves what? What does this have to do with anything?

He was probably passed around to public defenders. He couldn't have the same lawyer as a person testifying against him. He would get whoever was available in other circumstances, right? I'm not sure where this is going. Mike and Joe didn't hire the same lawyer they were given a public defender and then they had separate ones.
 
  • #531
If you want to be a champion for hating assumptions, why don't you start with the post about Asher being "creepy." That's a weird assumption you haven't attacked yet. At least be consistent in your debating here.

You still don't get the point about Joe. If he was involved, why would be blab on himself?

She said he talked about the GR openly and at a party. He was involved in that.
 
  • #532
He was probably passed around to public defenders. He couldn't have the same lawyer as a person testifying against him. He would get whoever was available in other circumstances, right? I'm not sure where this is going. Mike and Joe didn't hire the same lawyer they were given a public defender and then they had separate ones.

He was the same off and on. Not sure how much of the same, but Lada did file conflict of interest a couple times. But yes Mike and Joe has no control over it.
 
  • #533
He was probably passed around to public defenders. He couldn't have the same lawyer as a person testifying against him. He would get whoever was available in other circumstances, right? I'm not sure where this is going. Mike and Joe didn't hire the same lawyer they were given a public defender and then they had separate ones.
Yes. I know how public defenders work.

They both had the same lawyer with them in court. Bottom line.

This matters for many reasons. It speaks to Joe's possible CI status. It also is grounds for a grievance against the state for Mike. If he cares to entertain that...
 
  • #534
I like to assume? You gave me a load of rationalizing about Joe. And how criminals should and shouldn't act about things they're supposed to magically know when you only have hindsight. You did nothing but rationalize behaviors and down play. Same thing Mike did.

I'm the only one consistently pointing out facts in this case. It's in my entire post history.

No
 
  • #535
Yes. I know how public defenders work.

They both had the same lawyer with them in court. Bottom line.

This matters for many reasons. It speaks to Joe's possible CI status. It also is grounds for a grievance against the state for Mike. If he cares to entertain that...

Have you ever been in court as a defendant?
 
  • #536
If you want to be a champion for hating assumptions, why don't you start with the post about Asher being "creepy." That's a weird assumption you haven't attacked yet. At least be consistent in your debating here.

You still don't get the point about Joe. If he was involved, why would be blab on himself?

This is not an assumption on my husband. I’m constant on assumptions I know not to be true.
 
  • #537
Yes. I know how public defenders work.

They both had the same lawyer with them in court. Bottom line.

This matters for many reasons. It speaks to Joe's possible CI status. It also is grounds for a grievance against the state for Mike. If he cares to entertain that...

How does it speak to Joe’s possible CI status?
 
  • #538
This is not an assumption on my husband. I’m constant on assumptions I know not to be true.
What assumptions are we talking about here? To be clear.
 
  • #539
How does it speak to Joe’s possible CI status?
Because Mike and he shared a lawyer before snitching happened. And after. Did his lawyer flip a coin? No.
 
  • #540
Because Mike and he shared a lawyer before snitching happened. And after. Did his lawyer flip a coin? No.

Mike did not have a lawyer for the vandalism before Joe made a statement.
 
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