MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #13

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  • #821
Going by what the profiler said I don’t believe one person pulled this off.

they went by the total sum of evidence they had and they believed at least one person was known to the women. It was multiple people as well.

That is probably true but it also possible their friendship began that night; not previously.
 
  • #822
I looked very closely at the Hammond abduction. I’ll be repetitious but let me make a couple of points.

The first would be the alleged transmission failure. Just off the top of my head that sounds “fishy” to me. Her boyfriend evidently is telling us that he was chasing after this pickup with the flying fish. That is plausible, I suppose. I wonder if the police took that transmission to be inspected to see if it was actually locked up inside. That should be easily determined. If the thrust washers inside the presumed manual transmission were worn or disintegrated it would be possible to have the transmission lock up and fail. If it was an automatic, the only parts that could fail would be the shift selector or the torque converter. If evidence was not found, I would opine that someone has some “splaining” to do.

Let us assume the transmission story checked out. Well.... I provided the Clinton police department with a very viable suspect, a “creepy” handyman who drove such a truck with the flying fish in the back window. Was he ever checked out? I’d lay odds that was filed away and forgotten.

Then there was the very sad case of Cheryl Kenney who was abducted from the convenience store and presumably murdered. This happened not that much different time wise. One might extrapolate that there may be a connection of sorts.

The commonality of these other murders and the 3MW have one similarity. They all took place near Kansas state. If there was a young roving predator he would be looking for vulnerable young women to satisfy his lust. And if he lived near Kansas, he would likely know where to hide the bodies.

But I would start with the Hammonds murder. That vehicle should have been checked out thoroughly. If the transmission story was a hoax, then there is one obvious suspect.

The Kenney murder is so sad as her son begged the authorities to work the case. I really felt for him.
I looked very closely at the Hammond abduction. I’ll be repetitious but let me make a couple of points.

The first would be the alleged transmission failure. Just off the top of my head that sounds “fishy” to me. Her boyfriend evidently is telling us that he was chasing after this pickup with the flying fish. That is plausible, I suppose. I wonder if the police took that transmission to be inspected to see if it was actually locked up inside. That should be easily determined. If the thrust washers inside the presumed manual transmission were worn or disintegrated it would be possible to have the transmission lock up and fail. If it was an automatic, the only parts that could fail would be the shift selector or the torque converter. If evidence was not found, I would opine that someone has some “splaining” to do.

Let us assume the transmission story checked out. Well.... I provided the Clinton police department with a very viable suspect, a “creepy” handyman who drove such a truck with the flying fish in the back window. Was he ever checked out? I’d lay odds that was filed away and forgotten.

Then there was the very sad case of Cheryl Kenney who was abducted from the convenience store and presumably murdered. This happened not that much different time wise. One might extrapolate that there may be a connection of sorts.

The commonality of these other murders and the 3MW have one similarity. They all took place near Kansas state. If there was a young roving predator he would be looking for vulnerable young women to satisfy his lust. And if he lived near Kansas, he would likely know where to hide the bodies.

But I would start with the Hammonds murder. That vehicle should have been checked out thoroughly. If the transmission story was a hoax, then there is one obvious suspect.

The Kenney murder is so sad as her son begged the authorities to work the case. I really felt for him.
Your mentioning of the Nevada, mo case makes me realize it's the third abduction within 95 miles of the house on Delmar. Take a pencil compass and set it right on Springfield, mo. Adjust for a circle of about 200 miles. Now compare missing persons and unsolved murders , within that area from about 1987 through 2007. There are more than a couple. Finding a link between any of them will be difficult unless you get DNA or a confessing culprit.
 
  • #823
GERALD CARNAHANS , INVOLVEMENT , ----first he was dating sheryl levitt , this is according to the boyfriend of suzy , and even confirmed up to three nights before the abduction , suzy reportedly felt ill at ease around carnahan , reports thats he watched her and leared , and spoke nasty to her , her boyfriends statement is on file at the police dept. , he confirms he reported it , ...gerald carnahan of course is more famous for the killing of jackie johns and is serving life for that , a three year sentence for trying to abduct heather starkey of kickapoo highschool same as suzy and stacy , and then theres debbie lewis , abducted and killed , and her car staged the same as jackies , purse on seat , door open , keys in the car , debbies father stated that debbie was dating carnahan , and then the disappearence and murder of kellie anne workman as she mowed the cemetary , only 3 weeks prior starting her first job , at the dogwood store owned by terry walker , whose family had the horse barn next to the auction barn where jackie johns worked ,gerald carnahan was reportedly at the dogwood store that day , the statement given by a lineman .

How is it known by you, apparently only you, that Sheryl Levitt was dating Gerald Carnahan?

She would have had to be living in a cave not to know his sordid history. That happened way back in 1985 and virtually everyone assumed he was guilty of Jackie John’s murder.

I worked near his wife and one would have thought she might have spilled the beans if he murdered the women. I never heard that.

Who told you that? Why would the police waste time with the other suspects if they had reason the believe he was responsible? And why would he employ a bunch of former nearly lifelong jailbirds to make these women disappear.

You are likely correct about Lewis and Workman. I do believe he did those murders. He obviously tried to kidnap that girl on Ingram Mill Road.

He also had a reported illicit business in Nixa and served hard time for burning down a competitor’s business if my memory is accurate.

Who informed you that Sheryl was dating Carnahan?
 
  • #824
Your mentioning of the Nevada, mo case makes me realize it's the third abduction within 95 miles of the house on Delmar. Take a pencil compass and set it right on Springfield, mo. Adjust for a circle of about 200 miles. Now compare missing persons and unsolved murders , within that area from about 1987 through 2007. There are more than a couple. Finding a link between any of them will be difficult unless you get DNA or a confessing culprit.

Good thinking. That would suggest someone on the prowl within his “hunting” range.
 
  • #825
What is your opinion of a single culprit? There were at least two different serial killers loose in Missouri at the time. One is on death row now. Also, there were two other abductions that took place only 90 miles from delmar house. one was in Clinton, Missouri on April 4, 1991 and the other was in Pea Ridge, Arkansas on November 18, 2006.
I just found out today that the man on death row was in prison when the three women went missing. With a little searching, I'm sure more probable suspects will pop up.
 
  • #826
suzy streeters boyfriend , direct from him , he affirms he told the police
How is it known by you, apparently only you, that Sheryl Levitt was dating Gerald Carnahan?

She would have had to be living in a cave not to know his sordid history. That happened way back in 1985 and virtually everyone assumed he was guilty of Jackie John’s murder.

I worked near his wife and one would have thought she might have spilled the beans if he murdered the women. I never heard that.

Who told you that? Why would the police waste time with the other suspects if they had reason the believe he was responsible? And why would he employ a bunch of former nearly lifelong jailbirds to make these women disappear.

You are likely correct about Lewis and Workman. I do believe he did those murders. He obviously tried to kidnap that girl on Ingram Mill Road.

He also had a reported illicit business in Nixa and served hard time for burning down a competitor’s business if my memory is accurate.

Who informed you that Sheryl was dating Carnahan?
 
  • #827
suzy streeters boyfriend , direct from him , he affirms he told the police

Which boyfriend, the one she got a restraint order against or her last one?

I’ve never really looked at him as a serious suspect but may need to take another look at Missouri Casenet.

If the first Suzie she evidently let that order be dismissed. That was in November of 1991. That would be a long time to hold a grudge.

It is mind boggling that she would have been lured in with Carnahan. I doubt anyone living in the area thought he was innocent. But why kill her if true? She made good money at the hair salon. His name does not appear on her client list. I met him in the elevator once, was introduced to him by his wife. He was not particularly good looking but had a ton of money. From what I gather he is very ill with advanced diabetes. Few will be sad at his passing.

Very strange if true.
 
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Any and everyone DNA combed from the house was saved. im certain Recla’s prints and DNA are there given how recent he was at the house prior to abduction.......and not to mention the fact that they found fibers and less than an 8th of an 8th of a gram of Carnahan’s DNA to convict him 25 yrs later n that was in the mid 80s.. one can deduce from that that they prob have enough to prove he was there...... im not saying he was on june 7 and the corrupted crime scene by innocent children and teenagers and worried parents mean theyll need more to convict

were other graverobbers in the house ? only a few know yes or no

the women were manhandled out of the house to a second controllable site.... you can take that one to the bank

I had not previously seen that. So DNA from Carnahan was found in the house.????? No way in the world should he have ever been in the house. Of course it is entirely plausible that Sheryl had tracked some of his DNA if she had cut his hair.

Where exactly was the “New Attitudes” salon located when the women went missing? I believe it was for some time in the mezzanine area at the old Heer’s department store next to the State Office Building where I am worked for several years.

I can say from personal knowledge that he came into our office what must have been dozens of times to keep tabs on his alibi witness on the Johns murder.

If Sheryl actually did see him then it might make sense to employ three jailbirds to kill the women if she was going to rat him out. But absent the contamination of the crime scene, it seems likely that the killers would have quickly been apprehended.

It boggles my mind she would have had anything to do with him. But I suppose it might make sense if he felt he could once again slip the noose by buying off some corrupt cops.

Is there a second or third source here who would know if there was a connection between Sheryl and Carnahan?
 
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Any and everyone DNA combed from the house was saved. im certain Recla’s prints and DNA are there given how recent he was at the house prior to abduction.......and not to mention the fact that they found fibers and less than an 8th of an 8th of a gram of Carnahan’s DNA to convict him 25 yrs later n that was in the mid 80s.. one can deduce from that that they prob have enough to prove he was there...... im not saying he was on june 7 and the corrupted crime scene by innocent children and teenagers and worried parents mean theyll need more to convict

were other graverobbers in the house ? only a few know yes or no

the women were manhandled out of the house to a second controllable site.... you can take that one to the bank

I want to understand you clearly. That DNA was from the Johns case I believe. I have never seen or heard his DNA was found in the Delmar house.

I’d also like to hear from more than one source that there was any connection of any kind between Sheryl and Carnahan.

As I see it, any allegation about someone else without multiple sources provided by a major suspect isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit.
 
  • #831
Hi, everybody. I am from Argentina.
I´ve become really interested in this case since last year when I watched the 48 hs documentary . This case baffles me as I can't understand how can three women (adults)could disappear like that. I've tried to read as much as possible about this case, and every time I do this, I get the impression that this crime will be solved the day Sherrill and Suzie (and their family circle and friends)
aren't treated like the people to blame for this crime. Maybe, it's something cultural. Being an independent, divorced mother, raising a child (and not living in the nices neighborhood) is something "reprehensible" in cities like Springfield (that's the message I got when I watched and read about this case). The truth is that most lines of investigation revolve around the figure of Sherrill and Suzie due to the"image" "some people" had/have about the mother and the daughter. Now, what would happen if stopped blaming people for what they personal lives, and their background, and we started investigating people for what they had done before and after the girls were last seen. I have a lot of questions about what could have happened the the night of June 6. According to Stacy McCall's mother, the original plan was to spend the night at a hotel (?), but then the girls decided to stay at the Kirby's (Stacy calls her mom, at 10:30, and tells her so , right?). I have read this on the police report (posted on this website)
Basic Information
Stacy never calls her mom to tell her she would stay at suzie's house. So, we have to trust on the Kirby's (and solely the Kirby's?) declaration on this point. We never know if the girls actually left the Kirby´s house alive (or at least, conscious). Could this crime have been a "criminis causae" crime, which can be defined in the contineal legal system as a crime to cover up another crime? Maybe something happened to one of the girls. Janelle and her mother mentioned that Suzie was sick. Now, "sick" meant a simply tummy ache (as they said)? Was Suzie under the effect of drugs and/or alcohol (she may have voluntarily taken or not)? Was she "sick" because she saw something or someone did something to her? If she was sick, why did Suzie drive to her house? (if she ever did it).
Has the police disclosed a list with the names of the friends/relatives that stayed at the Kirby's that night? Was there someone that had a criminal record? Was someone from that group part of the police forces? Do you know if the Kirby´s property or their cars were ever searched (I don't know if this word is correct). Well, these are just a few questions that I have. Hope someone can answer them. I apologize for my English (I am a Spanish speaker).
 
  • #832
Hi, everybody. I am from Argentina.
I´ve become really interested in this case since last year when I watched the 48 hs documentary . This case baffles me as I can't understand how can three women (adults)could disappear like that. I've tried to read as much as possible about this case, and every time I do this, I get the impression that this crime will be solved the day Sherrill and Suzie (and their family circle and friends)
aren't treated like the people to blame for this crime. Maybe, it's something cultural. Being an independent, divorced mother, raising a child (and not living in the nices neighborhood) is something "reprehensible" in cities like Springfield (that's the message I got when I watched and read about this case). The truth is that most lines of investigation revolve around the figure of Sherrill and Suzie due to the"image" "some people" had/have about the mother and the daughter. Now, what would happen if stopped blaming people for what they personal lives, and their background, and we started investigating people for what they had done before and after the girls were last seen. I have a lot of questions about what could have happened the the night of June 6. According to Stacy McCall's mother, the original plan was to spend the night at a hotel (?), but then the girls decided to stay at the Kirby's (Stacy calls her mom, at 10:30, and tells her so , right?). I have read this on the police report (posted on this website)
Basic Information
Stacy never calls her mom to tell her she would stay at suzie's house. So, we have to trust on the Kirby's (and solely the Kirby's?) declaration on this point. We never know if the girls actually left the Kirby´s house alive (or at least, conscious). Could this crime have been a "criminis causae" crime, which can be defined in the contineal legal system as a crime to cover up another crime? Maybe something happened to one of the girls. Janelle and her mother mentioned that Suzie was sick. Now, "sick" meant a simply tummy ache (as they said)? Was Suzie under the effect of drugs and/or alcohol (she may have voluntarily taken or not)? Was she "sick" because she saw something or someone did something to her? If she was sick, why did Suzie drive to her house? (if she ever did it).
Has the police disclosed a list with the names of the friends/relatives that stayed at the Kirby's that night? Was there someone that had a criminal record? Was someone from that group part of the police forces? Do you know if the Kirby´s property or their cars were ever searched (I don't know if this word is correct). Well, these are just a few questions that I have. Hope someone can answer them. I apologize for my English (I am a Spanish speaker).
There are people on here far more qualified than me to answer your questions. I am glad you have an interest in this case. Welcome to Websleuths.
 
  • #833
The problem with the drug angle is the lack of a basis for believing that. I’ve never been able to find anyone who was well versed about this case who knew of this.

My personal opinion is that one single male who frequented the party that night merely followed them home. I believe I have covered that previously. And the last public police statement says “kidnapper” and is a male. I don’t see multiple suspects in that statement.


My guess is that the girls "disappeared" to cover up some other crime (that occurred that night). I am open to listen to the drug-trafficking line, anyway. Why some people connect Sherrill/Stacy with drugs? For me, the nature of crimes committed by people in that "business" is different. Normally, the whole purpose of killing someone is to leave a message, not just killing. If someone steals money or drugs from a drug dealer, or wants to get out of the business, etc,
they kill that person in a way everybody sees the consequences of doing so. I don't see why a drug trafficking ring would be involved in the disappearance of three women. (I live in South America, and these people have some "codes", I don´t know how these criminals are in USA). I wish there was someone in this forum who knew about criminology). I think that we need to think about the nature of the crime.
 
  • #834
My guess is that the girls "disappeared" to cover up some other crime (that occurred that night). I am open to listen to the drug-trafficking line, anyway. Why some people connect Sherrill/Stacy with drugs? For me, the nature of crimes committed by people in that "business" is different. Normally, the whole purpose of killing someone is to leave a message, not just killing. If someone steals money or drugs from a drug dealer, or wants to get out of the business, etc,
they kill that person in a way everybody sees the consequences of doing so. I don't see why a drug trafficking ring would be involved in the disappearance of three women. (I live in South America, and these people have some "codes", I don´t know how these criminals are in USA). I wish there was someone in this forum who knew about criminology). I think that we need to think about the nature of the crime.
you should read the threads and familiarize more with the “players” and their nature and make no assumptions........people ignoring drug angle aren’t looking at it logically. Cops don’t pick Garrison out of a hat. He has prime info.......
speaking of leAving a message....isnt that why the cash in the purses wasnt of any concern to the perps ?..
 
  • #835
My guess is that the girls "disappeared" to cover up some other crime (that occurred that night). I am open to listen to the drug-trafficking line, anyway. Why some people connect Sherrill/Stacy with drugs? For me, the nature of crimes committed by people in that "business" is different. Normally, the whole purpose of killing someone is to leave a message, not just killing. If someone steals money or drugs from a drug dealer, or wants to get out of the business, etc,
they kill that person in a way everybody sees the consequences of doing so. I don't see why a drug trafficking ring would be involved in the disappearance of three women. (I live in South America, and these people have some "codes", I don´t know how these criminals are in USA). I wish there was someone in this forum who knew about criminology). I think that we need to think about the nature of the crime.
I also doubt any drug involvement here. What would be your next guess?
 
  • #836
you should read the threads and familiarize more with the “players” and their nature and make no assumptions........people ignoring drug angle aren’t looking at it logically. Cops don’t pick Garrison out of a hat. He has prime info.......
speaking of leAving a message....isnt that why the cash in the purses wasnt of any concern to the perps ?..

‘How do you know he had “prime knowledge?’
 
  • #837
suzy streeters boyfriend , direct from him , he affirms he told the police

I was in touch today regarding the alleged connection between Gerald Carnahan and Sheryl Levitt. My source who knew her well said she detested him. I think whoever told you she was dating him was concocting some fantastical story for nefarious reasons. I can find no evidence of this supposed relationship.
 
  • #838
‘How do you know he had “prime knowledge?’
Detective Thomas says in 1994 that Garrison revealed that he had prime knowledge of previously unreleased information of the abductions..........

mule, your whole “the GJ3 were usual suspects” is something you made up in your head...... Mountjoy doesn’t allow summons over jailbirds for no reason. There was a connection! Thomas doesn’t travel to KS prison 4 times to talk to Garrison and others who knew him in CO for no reason either.....use your brain !
 
  • #839
Detective Thomas says in 1994 that Garrison revealed that he had prime knowledge of previously unreleased information of the abductions..........

mule, your whole “the GJ3 were usual suspects” is something you made up in your head...... Mountjoy doesn’t allow summons over jailbirds for no reason. There was a connection! Thomas doesn’t travel to KS prison 4 times to talk to Garrison and others who knew him in CO for no reason either.....use your brain !


Do you have a link where this was said please?


It’s funny how he could never produce where the bodies were supposedly buried even though he claimed otherwise which always makes me doubt him.
 
  • #840
Do you have a link where this was said please?


It’s funny how he could never produce where the bodies were supposedly buried even though he claimed otherwise which always makes me doubt him.
had year wrong.... 12/12/93 is the NL article Thomas talks to Garrison... 9/4/93 NL has more details but he is referred to as "informant" and not Garrison. The 12/12/93 article reveals who is being talked about....... you will need access to newspapers to read article

you succinctly dismiss him because he produced no bodies ??.....he literally had info proving he knew about the crime that only detectives knew..................now HOW and WHY would he know this info if he was irrelevant as you claim? logically makes no sense.....
 
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