MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #14

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

15 seniors from one HS married a Bf , who had a 15/16 year old classmate that was pregnant ?
Geraldo Rivera isn’t even buying that story .

Didn’t bother Janelle? Who cares? Ozarks high schoolers marry young and impregnate/get pregnant young very often....and yes that same scenario happened in my high school in Springfield. A guy I knew cheated on his gf and got the girl pregnant...stayed with the girl and they somehow made it work.. that girl got an abortion too.. nothing surprising in these parts..

So you’re saying someone is a triple murderer and master-cover up artist because he sucked at using a condom and married an airhead like Janelle??

I respectfully disagree with that theory..

 

[Missouri Mule]

If anyone wants good concise information on missing people, Charley’s Project is an excellent source.

I ran across some information about Suzie and it is excerpted here.

“Suzanne was employed at a local movie theater in 1992. She planned to enroll in cosmetology school in the fall of that year. Suzanne had difficulty reading and was placed in classes for students with learning disabilities. A friend speculated that Suzanne may have been dyslexic. She never lived with her father and rarely spoke about him or her stepfather.”

I was informed by a source who knew the family and was informed that Suzie had trouble with directions. She had to take the same way to and from work even if the distance was greater. This may, in part, explain why she wanted Stacy to follow her home. She may have been concerned she would get lost.

This leads me to believe she would have been the easier “prey” for a sexual predator. It would my thought she either let the perp in the house or was lured out of the house.

It is my opinion that the kidnapper was likely at the parties that night. I don’t believe the police have ever changed their theory that whoever it was was a “trusted” (presumed) male. I would bet “the farm” that the police now know the identity of the perp but do not have the physical evidence to convict.

One hopes that DNA technology has advanced a long way since 1992. I doubt that anyone will “finger” the perp because, I “believe” he acted alone and merely needs to keep silent.

It does, however, suggest this was the only crime the perp committed. Had he been incarcerated, I strongly believe jailhouse snitches would have picked up and shared that information in order to get a shorter sentence or even released for “good behavior.”

There is reason to believe that Garrison had information deemed credible at the time and that was the reason he was taken from the highly secure Springfield jail to the hotel where he just walked away. So far as I know he had never produced any useful information, simply because he has none. In the short call he made to my home about a year ago he said he was uninvolved as was his two jailhouse friends. Of course he is unlikely to say that he was. But the fact remains, so far as I am aware, is that he has never produced ANY information relevant to this case.

 

[TexasT]

Didn’t bother Janelle? Who cares? Ozarks high schoolers marry young and impregnate/get pregnant young very often....and yes that same scenario happened in my high school in Springfield. A guy I knew cheated on his gf and got the girl pregnant...stayed with the girl and they somehow made it work.. that girl got an abortion too.. nothing surprising in these parts..

So you’re saying someone is a triple murderer and master-cover up artist because he sucked at using a condom and married an airhead like Janelle??

I respectfully disagree with that theory..

No ones made those accusations , or name calling of Janelle .
But since you threw out statistics, you supposed to back them up .
That’s 1 of 15 . 14 to go .

 

[TexasT]

If anyone wants good concise information on missing people, Charley’s Project is an excellent source.

I ran across some information about Suzie and it is excerpted here.

“Suzanne was employed at a local movie theater in 1992. She planned to enroll in cosmetology school in the fall of that year. Suzanne had difficulty reading and was placed in classes for students with learning disabilities. A friend speculated that Suzanne may have been dyslexic. She never lived with her father and rarely spoke about him or her stepfather.”

I was informed by a source who knew the family and was informed that Suzie had trouble with directions. She had to take the same way to and from work even if the distance was greater. This may, in part, explain why she wanted Stacy to follow her home. She may have been concerned she would get lost.

This leads me to believe she would have been the easier “prey” for a sexual predator. It would my thought she either let the perp in the house or was lured out of the house.

It is my opinion that the kidnapper was likely at the parties that night. I don’t believe the police have ever changed their theory that whoever it was was a “trusted” (presumed) male. I would bet “the farm” that the police now know the identity of the perp but do not have the physical evidence to convict.

One hopes that DNA technology has advanced a long way since 1992. I doubt that anyone will “finger” the perp because, I “believe” he acted alone and merely needs to keep silent.

It does, however, suggest this was the only crime the perp committed. Had he been incarcerated, I strongly believe jailhouse snitches would have picked up and shared that information in order to get a shorter sentence or even released for “good behavior.”

There is reason to believe that Garrison had information deemed credible at the time and that was the reason he was taken from the highly secure Springfield jail to the hotel where he just walked away. So far as I know he had never produced any useful information, simply because he has none. In the short call he made to my home about a year ago he said he was uninvolved as was his two jailhouse friends. Of course he is unlikely to say that he was. But the fact remains, so far as I am aware, is that he has never produced ANY information relevant to this case.

I’m assuming Stacey’s following bc she’s never been to Delmar ? They lived way down south .
Additionally , if you’re going to my house you’re following me .

Battlefield to Delmar . Glenstone would be the most logical route they would have taken .

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

I was informed by a source who knew the family and was informed that Suzie had trouble with directions. She had to take the same way to and from work even if the distance was greater. This may, in part, explain why she wanted Stacy to follow her home. She may have been concerned she would get lost.

This leads me to believe she would have been the easier “prey” for a sexual predator. It would my thought she either let the perp in the house or was lured out of the house. (quote)

Mule, I also had found this information online (in a podcast, I believe) It would be great if anyone could confirm this. I also heard that Suzie had manifested, what nowaydays would be considered to be TOC. She was obsessed with organization and cleanliness, and maybe this lack of flexibility in his behaviour (for instance, having to take the same way when driving) could be part of that. Or, considering she had reading difficulties, we could think that she had dislexia and also directional dyslexia. I hope the brother could tell us something about it. There could be some aspects of these women´s personalities that would help us think how they would react under certain circumstances, or if (in the case of Suzie´s difficulties) they were prone to get lost, and maybe that´s how they were abducted. Also, if Suzie, for instance, had these difficulties, was she being bullied? I think that a psichological profile of the victims could shed some light on the case. Who knows... I would love to know if SPD did something like this. It is very common these days.

 

[Missouri Mule]

I’ll ask my source. Will try to get back as soon as I reach him.

I was unfamiliar with TOC. Had to look that up. I believe you are referring to obsessive-compulsive behavior. That would seem to be likely but am not qualified to render a medical opinion. I tend to be like that myself so can relate.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

No ones made those accusations , or name calling of Janelle .
But since you threw out statistics, you supposed to back them up .
That’s 1 of 15 . 14 to go .

I know many who married young. And many who were pregnant...fail to see how this leads to triple murder.. and you were the one attacking character first (Henson’s)

im moving on from this as we’ve probably exhausted the argument and I’m not interested in the goal posts moving and bad faith arguments..

and for the record I do think Janelle was an airhead for cleaning up the glass shards.. would have been a big help if not contaminated. But there’s no way I believe she acted nefariously or anything

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

I was informed by a source who knew the family and was informed that Suzie had trouble with directions. She had to take the same way to and from work even if the distance was greater. This may, in part, explain why she wanted Stacy to follow her home. She may have been concerned she would get lost.

This leads me to believe she would have been the easier “prey” for a sexual predator. It would my thought she either let the perp in the house or was lured out of the house. (quote)

Mule, I also had found this information online (in a podcast, I believe) It would be great if anyone could confirm this. I also heard that Suzie had manifested, what nowaydays would be considered to be TOC. She was obsessed with organization and cleanliness, and maybe this lack of flexibility in his behaviour (for instance, having to take the same way when driving) could be part of that. Or, considering she had reading difficulties, we could think that she had dislexia and also directional dyslexia. I hope the brother could tell us something about it. There could be some aspects of these women´s personalities that would help us think how they would react under certain circumstances, or if (in the case of Suzie´s difficulties) they were prone to get lost, and maybe that´s how they were abducted. Also, if Suzie, for instance, had these difficulties, was she being bullied? I think that a psichological profile of the victims could shed some light on the case. Who knows... I would love to know if SPD did something like this. It is very common these days.

I don’t think she was bullied much... there was a rumor from other forums that she was insecure about the birth mark on her face (Bartt may confirm this if he can).. she was kind of an easy going and popular person.. her boyfriends tended to slap her around..Kovacs did. Not sure about Recla’s behavior but cops said “plural” boyfriendS hit her..

the cops did do a psychological/victimology profile of all three women. It was posted once I believe but I can’t locate it right now

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

I’ll ask my source. Will try to get back as soon as I reach him.

I was unfamiliar with TOC. Had to look that up. I believe you are referring to obsessive-compulsive behavior. That would seem to be likely but am not qualified to render a medical opinion. I tend to be like that myself so can relate.

YES. Obsessive-compulsive behavior.I was just thinking in Spanish. The acronym is TOC. ja

 

[Seeker994]

The POI is on this website.

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

I don’t think she was bullied much... there was a rumor from other forums that she was insecure about the birth mark on her face (Bartt may confirm this if he can).. she was kind of an easy going and popular person.. her boyfriends tended to slap her around..Kovacs did. Not sure about Recla’s behavior but cops said “plural” boyfriendS hit her..

the cops did do a psychological/victimology profile of all three women. It was posted once I believe but I can’t locate it right now

Wow. Thanks for the reply. I didn´t know about the violent relationship with the bfs. I wonder if gender-based violence could be a motive? (just a hypothesis). I know many crimes committed by boyfriends/husbands who are jealous or possessive. A considerable number of those crimes (the ones that I know) had multiple victims (up to 3 o 4), including the girlfriend/wife together with relatives and friends. (I don´t see that in this case but who knows).
Do you know the age of the the boys referred to as grave robbers (when the women disappeared)? Were they friends with any of the boys/girls from the circle of friends from high school?

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Yes most violent crimes...the first place to look when it comes to female victims, is the men in their lives. Husband/boyfriend. Common for sure... however this was three females with two friends and two related...distinguished a bit.. different ages too..

Multiple victim crimes that arent serial killer (serial killers usually leave a trace and caught...DNA would have brought someone up by now if that were the case) and people like Stayner happened in isolated places and he was caught immediately and left evidence....this crime was carefully planned and executed with the one variable being Stacy...imo... groups of people are usually taken out by organized gangs...it's why they had MOCIC look into this case for over a year..

Mike Clay was 19, Recla was 20, Riedel was 21 in 1992... and Recla knew a lot of people at the high school...so did his brother Johnny. Riedel and Clay were outsiders from IL.. but had friends from the area..At least Clay did since he was in Springfield a bit and his sister was there

bottom line the cops say multiple times (paraphrase) "Steven Garrison has information private to the case/only known by detectives/SPD"... how does a criminal released from KS prison 3 weeks prior get intimate knowledge of the crime??...

 

[TexasT]

Cary illustrates how one person w a weapon can easily control 3 people , even in a public place .
He got away with it for months right under their noses . No elaborate plan , just out trolling for victims & got lucky . Until he was ready to be caught & tell his story .

Suspect / suspects responsible for 3MW also got lucky imo .

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Cary illustrates how one person w a weapon can easily control 3 people , even in a public place .
He got away with it for months right under their noses . No elaborate plan , just out trolling for victims & got lucky . Until he was ready to be caught & tell his story .

Suspect / suspects responsible for 3MW also got lucky imo .

Cary wasn't "ready to be caught" he was immediately caught. "eyewitnesses said they saw a blue 1979 International Scout parked outside the cabin where she was staying. Detectives traced this vehicle to Stayner, which led to him becoming the prime suspect in the case."

Cary was found immediately and left evidence everywhere.....this case doesnt have that MO

Not buying "got lucky"...Cary was as isolated as it gets in Yosemite and he was immediately found..1717 Delmar was in middle of a city with people all over the place......this was master planned to make sure they werent spotted...you could argue someone getting lucky with one abduction/murder..not three in the middle of a city

Theres a power player keeping ones who know quiet....like FBI Agent James Wright suggested..

in the Bible/Freeman case.....polaroids and pictures were used as tools of silence. this motive screams silence...and still does.....it just changed from drugs/illegal activities to now all of the above with murder/abduction included...moo

there's no way a recently release prisoner....drug dealer and gang member,, finds out "private info about the case" unless he's in the know of the said clan who helped pull this off.....

 

[Catmommy]

Cary wasn't caught for the abduction and murder of the three women from the Yosemite inn. He was, in fact, not a suspect after being questioned for that one even though he was employed by the lodge at the time. After he was arrested for Joi Armstrong's murder and was being questioned for that he confessed to the abduction and murder of the other three women, shocking the FBI agents.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

Cary wasn't caught for the abduction and murder of the three women from the Yosemite inn. He was, in fact, not a suspect after being questioned for that one even though he was employed by the lodge at the time. After he was arrested for Joi Armstrong's murder and was being questioned for that he confessed to the abduction and murder of the other three women, shocking the FBI agents.

This crime doesnt have the same MO..the points still stand.. he was caught.....this crime is kept quiet

Doesnt fit any MO of Cox's either...

Wright suggested multiple perps after reviewing the totality of info from the case.. "secondary players brought in without knowing what was going to happen"

 

[Missouri Mule]

The POI is on this website.

I agree completely. The exhausting of the original theory of multiple perps that led nowhere and no one talking, the only certain way to keep this crime hidden was for one person to have committed this crime. Plus there is no certain motive.

But the police have settled on the “sexual assault” theory and referred to the perpetrator as a single male. The original theory seem to have been abandoned.

In any event I share your view the perp is here. It is my opinion he attempts to steer the conversation in directions away from him.

I could be wrong but I do believe the police know who he is but not the evidence to put him away.

This of course is my opinion only.

 

[TexasT]

Cary wasn't caught for the abduction and murder of the three women from the Yosemite inn. He was, in fact, not a suspect after being questioned for that one even though he was employed by the lodge at the time. After he was arrested for Joi Armstrong's murder and was being questioned for that he confessed to the abduction and murder of the other three women, shocking the FBI agents.

Exactly
The Sunds & Pelosso were killed 02/15/99 and Joie wasn’t until 07/21/99. Over 5 months later .
Plus , authorities had picked up Eugene Dykes & half brother Michael Larwick some ( OMG / druggies ) where have we heard this story before ? And didn’t even have Cary on the radar .
They found Juli bc he mailed them a map !

 

[Catmommy]

IMO, the comparison to Stayner is only important because he was able to remove three able bodied women from a lodge without being seen by anyone or even suspected by LE. Had this been his only murder who knows, we might be here trying to solve the Sunds/Pelosso murders.

 

[ArkansasTimeTraveler]

IMO, the comparison to Stayner is only important because he was able to remove three able bodied women from a lodge without being seen by anyone or even suspected by LE. Had this been his only murder who knows, we might be here trying to solve the Sunds/Pelosso murders.

thati s if you believe a lone perp did the crime...

Stayner doesnt apply here because this isnt Yosemite level isolation.... this is the middle of a city. Those women in Stayner's case were very vulnerable in a lodge that he knew all about.... 3mw were in middle of town with a busy street right next to it.., a barking dog, and a large margin for error.. this took careful planning and execution. Stayner acted on impulse and it was his demise...the 3mw perps did not act on impulse. other than how to handle Stacy.. (moo)

plus Stayner was caught.. and left traces all over