MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #2

[human]

human--That's my point exactly. This missionary or Bishop could have traveled to the US to help out with an LDS church in Independence and have been way over his head with these disclosures. He might not have been educated as to how to interview or to take disclosures. Because of cultural differences and possibly language issues, he might not have understood the seriousness of these claims. I'm really not trying to defend him but trying to make sense of how someone could respond with the term, "whatever" when speaking of the sexual abuse of small children. He obviously had not read the information in the Mormon Alliance papers.

I was quite surprised to learn that Tonga is so strongly Mormon. I don't think that's common knowledge. I also wonder if Burrell Jr. befriended this man as they had addresses very close to one another. That makes it even creepier. I've searched and searched and just can't find any other references to him other than helping out at a history center. Could there be a reason that he's a former Bishop?

I've been meaning to ask if anyone has located any Mormon or Community of Christ forums discussing this case. I've found a few but they weren't public. I know in the Garrido case, I learned a lot by reading the JW forums. I think we have to step back and realize that the vast majority of Mormons and Community of Christ members must be just reeling with this information. I know I would be.

I don't know about Tonga as I have never been there. I am not a Mormon and have never been one. However, I have been to the South Pacific many times, the best place on earth in my opinion. So I don't want to give a bad impression of it. It really is absolutely the most divine place.

There are many many Mormons in the South Pacific. They have quite an interest in that part of the world. They are into exporting noni juice which is a very excellent fruit for illnesses.

I have no idea how prevalent incest is in the South Pacific. I know that it is in some places that I have been. They are finally starting to deal with it.

You can imagine how hard it is ,because look how many years we've been out front with in the US. Even reading on this forum I've been surprised at some of the glib comments .

From what I've read about the Mormon church, it seems to be extremely paternalistic. That would certainly translate into the woman's place in the home with the man as all knowing and wise.

It's good that all of these issues are exposed because the more they are exposed, hopefully we can move on as a civilization and consider women and children as full human beings, not as property of some man or playthings or objects of some man or woman.

 

[Sheromom]

I'm so very glad these victims have chosen to speak up. My heart breaks for them. Can you imagine looking at your own sister and knowing you once had sex with her? It's so sick. And the animals.............no one would say such a thing about themselves unless it was true. It had to be such a totally degrading experience. I think these men should just be put down!

 

[human]

PAX, I am wondering what your area of practice is ? Not all attorneys work with victims. For example , real estate law, or in probate, or estate planning, just to name some off the top of my head. If you are a criminal attorney, are you ethically allowed to speak in a public forum such as this on cases? Wouldn't that affect your practice if someone was aware of it?

 

[Missizzy]

Pax--Just out of curiosity, I'd like to ask why you feel you have an "obligation" to speak out in defense of the accused. Ignore this post if you choose as you have every right to your opinion and stance. I'm just curious. Have you or someone close to you been wrongly accused, charged, or convicted?

I would like to personally thank you for reminding us not to convict on this thread and to be careful with our choice of words. I have to say that it because of you that I am very very careful to remember the word, "alleged".

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

PAX, I am wondering what your area of practice is ? Not all attorneys work with victims. For example , real estate law, or in probate, or estate planning, just to name some off the top of my head. If you are a criminal attorney, are you ethically allowed to speak in a public forum such as this on cases? Wouldn't that affect your practice if someone was aware of it?

How is anyone going to be aware of it? The only person that knows his real identity is Tricia, and she won't divulge that. We have several lawyers and other professionals on WS. I think it's a great asset to have them. IMO.

 

[human]

I'm just wondering about the area of practice so when I read a POST, I can determine if that person has an area of expertise that can help with the direction of inquiry and how accurate the information is that is given. A real estate attorney has hardly any more information on criminal law than other individuals that are not in law.

I think that it is very obvious from this site that people who are not even experts can find out information on other people.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Pax--Just out of curiosity, I'd like to ask why you feel you have an "obligation" to speak out in defense of the accused. Ignore this post if you choose as you have every right to your opinion and stance. I'm just curious. Have you or someone close to you been wrongly accused, charged, or convicted?

I would like to personally thank you for reminding us not to convict on this thread and to be careful with our choice of words. I have to say that it because of you that I am very very careful to remember the word, "alleged".

I am just a crime dork like the rest of you, what I do for a living has nothing to do with any of this. I do have strong opinions about protecting the rights of the accused and those are rooted in both personal and professional experience. I really enjoy my anonymity on here so I would prefer to keep it that way, I have already spoken to Tricia by phone to clear up some previous confusion and she is aware of what my intentions and purposes are. I am not here to tell anyone that they shouldnt repulsed by what they are reading about these fellows, I just feel it is important that we often be reminded that just because someone is accused does not mean they are guility, HOWEVER, I would be foolish at this time to suggest that things are not looking good for the Mohlers what with all the etc but again, it is debatable as to whether any of that can or will be used as evidence.

I speak with NO authority on these topics, this is a hobby and a way to pass time for me much like the rest of you, I am not here to offer legal advice but rather friendly opinion.

The only thing I can and will tell you is that I have professional experience that has allowed me to know for certain that a lot of innocent people are convicted of crimes they had nothing to do with and I find that to be unacceptable.

Lets get back to the case, I dont like attention and the attention should be on the victims and the accused.

 

[Missizzy]

I just found an interesting description of , child , and some of the ways LE determine what is what:

http://www.legi-internet.ro/articole-drept-it/internet-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.html

I especially appreciated the input from other countries.

 

[lajr56]

I am just a crime dork like the rest of you, what I do for a living has nothing to do with any of this. I do have strong opinions about protecting the rights of the accused and those are rooted in both personal and professional experience. I really enjoy my anonymity on here so I would prefer to keep it that way, I have already spoken to Tricia by phone to clear up some previous confusion and she is aware of what my intentions and purposes are. I am not here to tell anyone that they shouldnt repulsed by what they are reading about these fellows, I just feel it is important that we often be reminded that just because someone is accused does not mean they are guility, HOWEVER, I would be foolish at this time to suggest that things are not looking good for the Mohlers what with all the etc but again, it is debatable as to whether any of that can or will be used as evidence.

I speak with NO authority on these topics, this is a hobby and a way to pass time for me much like the rest of you, I am not here to offer legal advice but rather friendly opinion.

The only thing I can and will tell you is that I have professional experience that has allowed me to know for certain that a lot of innocent people are convicted of crimes they had nothing to do with and I find that to be unacceptable.

Lets get back to the case, I dont like attention and the attention should be on the victims and the accused.

Early on, Pax you told us that you would accept this case Pro-Bono, for many reasons. One being the notoriety alone. In your professional opinion, I would like to ask you why you think no Local Attorney has come forward to speak up for the accused here. Serious question.

 

[Missizzy]

It just occurred to me that what human said above is so true. While we are putting Pax on the "hot seat" (hopefully, he's moved off it by now--thank you for your forthright answer, Pax), I will gladly scoot over to the hot seat if requested.

I've never spoken directly to Tricia, although I would welcome a call or email. I "present" myself as, and am indeed, the mother of multiple rape victims and as a child/adoption advocate. As I've stated before, I was a Head Start teacher, studied child development, sat on numerous boards of non-profits dedicated to the needs of disabled children, was trained extensively as a legal rep/advocate for adoptive families by the North American Council on Children (NACAC--nacac.org), and worked for 15 years as the Oregon rep for this organization. I frequently link to this site on WS, when issues come up concerning adopted and foster children, as it is the finest on the web for unbiased opinion on child welfare issues. I am proud to have been a NACAC rep.

Because our family's sexual abuse case was splashed across the media/internet, I've never made any attempt to hide my identity. It is not lost on me that all of you can find me with your sleuthing skills. I'd be pretty naive to expect anonymity on this site. I am here to offer my expertise in advocacy and my personal experience as a teaching tool. I am not a survivor myself but one by proxy.

My only request is that my children, the victims, maintain their confidentiality. I am well aware that their full names are used on several sites and documents easily accessed on the internet. They have all given their legal consent for their names to be used on some sites. While I have no problem with all of you knowing my name, I ask that you respect my children's privacy by not posting information about their experiences elsewhere and using their legal names. Just so you know, the victims are all now over the age of 18.

I've carefully gone over every post I've ever posted and stand by each one. I have always been open and honest and will continue to be so. I value this site greatly as it allows me a modicum of assurance that I can still be of some help to victims. I am seriously and permanently disabled and confined to bed. It is very challenging for an active person such as I once was to be tethered to a bed. WS allows me to feel as if I can still offer a helping hand to those who are hurting. Thank you all for allowing me to sit at this table. I am honored.

 

[Missizzy]

Topix is a forum for Fox News of Kansas City. It has been especially busy due to the proximity of this case. We've found several posts which seem to have an "inside link" to the case. Here's a link the the main page for the forums. You can scroll down and check out the many articles and forums available on the Mohler case.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc

 

[PAXIMUS]

Early on, Pax you told us that you would accept this case Pro-Bono, for many reasons. One being the notoriety alone. In your professional opinion, I would like to ask you why you think no Local Attorney has come forward to speak up for the accused here. Serious question.

That is the most shocking part of this case IMO, sex crimes cases are extremely high profile and most big time attorneys will not shy away from them and I am as surprised as you are as to why no one has stepped up to offer to defend these guys, I really dont have an answer unless perhaps they know something we dont and they know its a losing cause but I have never met a lawyer in my life who wouldnt jump on a case like this even if it were pro bono.

Its a good question and I wish I had an answer.

 

[Reannan]

I just want to say that Missizzy and PAX's post are the reasons I find WS's to be THE place to discuss True Crime. We are all drawn here for various reasons - some personal, some professional. We are blessed to have view points that are discussed in a civil and professional manner by people from many different viewpoints. Thank you Tricia and all of the mods! The diversity that WS's brings to the table is one of it's greatest strengths.

 

[Texas Mist]

I had seen on one of the probable cause documents that one of the victims had reported first in August of 2008. I figured they'd just dropped it, thinking it would go nowhere.

Unfortunately, these guys have been aware for a year, they were being investigated. They may have already removed some evidence. Of course, with all of the and videos LE confiscated, they must have assumed the case would just fade away. Either that or they're just plain stoooopid! :loser:

JMHO
fran

PS...........in one of the documents I read recently, it said the victim was 'very emotional.' I can't even imagine it being so many years later and it still hurting so much.....These poor victims, my heart hurts for them.

I also wonder if any of the Mohlers did indeed have pics of the vics, would they have gotten rid of them -- or secreted them away from their homes or offices?

I don't think a addict can give up their stash any easier than a crack addict can...just think of how well-publicized the child fight is, and if I read news every day, then I'm reading about some perv getting caught with 1000s or 10s of 1000s of CP images....it's no secret that getting caught with CP will send ya away for a looonnng time, and LE's investigative tools are becoming more sophisticated.

Yet -- these pervs just don't stop....just like the pervs on To Catch A Predator...some of those guys had even seen the show.

 

[Texas Mist]

FYI -- I started a new thread here since we're now @ 26 pages on this one....I'll get a mod to close this one.

Thread 3 is here:

5 Family Members Arrested In Connection w/Child Sex Crimes #3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community