MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #2

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  • #121
Platte Woods does have a Community of Christ (RLDS) Church and is located 42 miles from Bates City, the location of the Mohler's prior home, where the investigation is occurring.

http://www.cofchrist.org/directory/states/missouri.asp

To clarify, Platte Woods is an incorporated section of Independence, MO and there are 25 Community of Christ congregations in and around Independence--all within a short distance of Platte Woods. I have no idea to which congregation this woman is referring.

Wasn't one of the Mohler brothers listed as having an address in Independence?
 
  • #122
I've been wondering about the cousin, MC.

"Only one family member was present in the court, Merrill Clark of Lenexa. The first cousin of the senior Mohler said they hadn’t had much contact, but he learned of the case sitting at home when the story came over the television Wednesday night."

Would you travel 67 miles to watch your relatives get arraigned on such heinous charges, especially if you were not close? I find that strange. JMO
 
  • #123
These things usually make far more sense in hind sight. Yeah, they may act weird, act out or be unusually quiet, have bad dreams, etc. Unless they tell, there is really no way of knowing. Most are terrified out of their minds.

My son was threatened that he if ever told, the perp would kill me, chop me up in little pieces and bury me in the back yard. He believed he was protecting me.

Children also believe a non offending parent should somehow just know. It's simply not true. After reading here, it seems many adults believe that as well.

You've shared this on another thread, L, and I don't know if I have ever said to you - it turns my stomach when I hear what was said to your child. It tears at my heart. Revolting.

As you know, the two of us tend to approach the discussion of child molesters from different mindsets, but I hope you know we are both on the same side of children never being hurt like that.
 
  • #124
More comments from here:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/TNEE66V12OI55I28V

First of all, there are several comments naming the ex-wife and accusing her of manufacturing these allegations. Then, there are these:

"These four sons of Burrell Sr. are my second cousins. When I heard the news, I was totally shocked, knowing the good values that came from their mother's side of the family. Their mother passed away from cancer in the 80's. Christians and non-Christians alike are influenced by evil. I don't know about the mother of the victims, but many times, abused children are threatened if they tell anyone."

"I grew up with the victims of these crimes and was close friends with one of them in high school. My heart bleeds that so many of us had no idea this happened. These kids were gifted and truly wonderful to be around. I pray that they will get the justice that they all deserve."

"I no someone who is investigating this case. The really sad thing is this was not the first or even second time of the children have tried to come forward. This is the 3 time. I makes me so sad that it they were ignored the first 2 times. The thing that really scares me is how many other lives have they destroyed, even after they stopped hurting those kids you know they were going after other people. People like that don't just stop for 10-15 years and live normal lives."


Whatever finally comes out, it looks strongly as if this case has been on radar for a long time.
 
  • #125
Has the been anything else about the Father of the 7 year old boy who got a "warning"from a Moehler ex-wife to get his son out of there and he eventually was awarded custody of his son?Id think maybe the evidence used in his custody case(as he was successful)would further support these claims?

LE is keeping details pretty close. It appears they've only released enough info to try to entice additional possible victims to come forward. I'm sure if they started to release the lurid details, any unkown as of yet victims, would hestitate to step up. They don't want everyone to know what was done to them.

Here's the article of the guy who got custody of his son because of the Mohlers.
http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-mohler-victim-young-111309,0,1950952.story

If you read the whole article and 'comments' section you can get a pretty clear picture of what's happening.

In the comments section he stated that his son's case was reported to le and dhs and court gal in 2000. So there is a 'record.'

LE has already contacted this gentleman and his now 17 yo son, regarding this case.

He also mentioned, in the comments section, that there's an investigation of an incident this summer with a four year old little girl and MANY MORE victims.

I also read in another article that since the pending case has been brought forward, there have been people come forward and there will most likely be additional charges.

JMHO
fran
 
  • #126
More comments from here:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/TNEE66V12OI55I28V

First of all, there are several comments naming the ex-wife and accusing her of manufacturing these allegations. Then, there are these:

"These four sons of Burrell Sr. are my second cousins. When I heard the news, I was totally shocked, knowing the good values that came from their mother's side of the family. Their mother passed away from cancer in the 80's. Christians and non-Christians alike are influenced by evil. I don't know about the mother of the victims, but many times, abused children are threatened if they tell anyone."

"I grew up with the victims of these crimes and was close friends with one of them in high school. My heart bleeds that so many of us had no idea this happened. These kids were gifted and truly wonderful to be around. I pray that they will get the justice that they all deserve."

"I no someone who is investigating this case. The really sad thing is this was not the first or even second time of the children have tried to come forward. This is the 3 time. I makes me so sad that it they were ignored the first 2 times. The thing that really scares me is how many other lives have they destroyed, even after they stopped hurting those kids you know they were going after other people. People like that don't just stop for 10-15 years and live normal lives."


Whatever finally comes out, it looks strongly as if this case has been on radar for a long time.


Wow! They've tried to come forward two OTHER times and were ignored.

That is so sad......................

What is wrong with people? Children generally do NOT make these things up. They should have been given the benefit of the doubt. ESPECIALLY by the second attempt to bring attention to this matter. THAT shouldn't even have been questioned, IMO. I believe they should have been investigating these people whenever they could have.

JMHO
fran
 
  • #127
Linda--I'm so so sorry your child had to hear that threat. I hope his treatment has helped him. As parents we somehow seem to experience guilt that our safety has been used as a threat. It's so onerous!! Once again, we see the same threats repeated over and over. Abusers do not re-invent the wheel.

As I've mentioned, the rapist who hurt our kids did the exact same thing. He threatened to hurt me, rape our older girls, and kill our pets. He did kill one kitty and maimed two others--all to prove that he would make good on those threats. Isn't it interesting that we seldom hear that fathers of victims are threatened when the abuse is extra-familial? The abuser tries to pick what are sensed to be weaker and more vulnerable targets IMO.

I'll never forget giving one of our sons a beautiful Victorinox knife (you know, the ones with the red handles) for his 16th birthday. This has been a tradition in our family. My husband is a contractor and believes that every human being (male and female) cannot live life without a Victorinox in their pocket. Even I carry a tiny purple one in my purse (always one to buck the system--plus it's great for snipping yarn ends while knitting!!).

Anyway, we proudly handed this young man the box, and he opened it. His eyes got really big and he burst out crying. He ran from the room and we all sat there shocked. When we caught up with him in his bedroom, he sobbed that the knife looked exactly like the one the rapist had used to threaten him with after he'd been raped. We were dumb-founded. He told us that seeing his Dad's and older siblings' knives occasionally never bothered him but he just couldn't imagine owning one or "touching one" himself. I've never felt more devastated.

We took him out the next day and let him pick out a new stereo. I've still got that particular knife sitting in my nightstand drawer...still in the box.

BBM

They certainly don't. I really wonder sometimes if they don't have a playbook! The perp in our case also used knives, he actually inserted one into the rectum of our German Shepard. It was a Sunday night, the poor thing was bleeding and we rushed him to the Emergency Vet. They said it was an infection:waitasec: He also kicked and smacked our young cats, they just started isolating themselves and ceased being friendly. I thought they just grew up. He also used a Bic lighter to threaten to set my son on fire while he slept. My son's assault was at knife point.

I'm thankful it didn't go on for a long time, and I'm thankful my son finally told. The way it was disclosed ( admitted exposing himself) was enough for me to remove the perp from my home. With him gone...my son sang like a bird & everything spilled out. They were really hard days.

In my experience, it's easier for children to tell, when the perp is no longer in the picture and they believe they'll be safe.

This case...it seems others knew, they just didn't do anything. If that turns out to be a fact. I feel those persons should face the same charges.... Conspiracy to Molest Children.
 
  • #128
BBM

The adults who wonder how non-offending parent could not have known could very well be victims of abuse themselves -- especially when the offender was a family member or live-in boyfriend.

Believe me, adult survivors that I know cannot stop wondering about this.

How does a very small child, say 2-5yo, learn to mask what they're feeling and there not be some hint of something wrong going on in either the look in their eyes, physical problems (rashes in the wrong places, IYKIM), or behavior (withdrawn, quiet, etc).

Many believe the non-offending parent, especially a mother, should be able to see a problem.


I don't think it's not a matter of not noticing those things. I noticed when my son became quiet and withdrawn. I thought he was coming down with something. No ones mind immediately jumps to horrific sexual abuse.

My son's first disclosure was the perp exposed himself to him. The prep was removed because I was afraid it would escalate. I had NO IDEA it already had, until he told me. You can call it "denial" or whatever ya want. I'm confident you'd have difficultly finding a more dedicated mother than myself. I was in tune with my son. I am a stay at home mom, son was in the same room with me every waking moment unless I was in the bathroom or asleep. Guess what. That's when the abuse occurred.

I knew something was off....I was determined to get to the bottom of it.
 
  • #129
Folks--I posted this a ways back and then a few minutes later, Darrel was arrested. I think this is interesting info which should be considered. I'm moving my post here and will delete it from post #597. (Ooops, didn't realize that I can't delete from a closed thread)

I've been wracking my brain for days about the jars. I just knew that I'd heard this somewhere before. I thought that I'd read a children's book with this theme but couldn't find a thing. It finally hit me. Several years ago, I read an article in a crafts magazine about "journal jars". You take a jar, like a peanut butter jar, and fold up wishes, dreams, and inspirational quotes to hide inside it. I did some research and came up with this on a Mormon site:

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/ywc/journaljars.htm

I have no idea how long Mormon girls have been doing this but I also came across some possible historical basis for this within the Mormon belief:

http://mi.byu.edu/publications/books...id=9&chapid=75

Could this be what the alleged victims were instructed to do with their painful memories? From the first site:

"Preserve your memories - seal them up well.
What you forget, you can never retell.
But a journal that's kept fresh on the shelf
Will help someone through rough times --
Maybe even yourself!"

This sounds like an early form of geocaching. This is description of early Mormon treasure-seeking/hunting rituals:

http://earlymormon.com/TopicalGuide.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates

I wonder if any modern day Mormons still practice this? I wonder if they could be consulted to help find the jars? That would be a noble pursuit.

This case is causing me to want to research more about Mormon history. The rituals, the early involvement with the occult....very intriguing.

Okay, so the Mormon church and it's various offshoots can get confusing, etc. Using awesome forum manners, I'm gonna quote myself from the previous, now closed, thread:

DISCLAIMER: I am not an expert, nor a representative of any church or organization. I am not implying this, nor any church is right, wrong, or involved in any case in any way. I am simply providing basic information which was requested. (Sorry for the verbosity, but last time I answered a similar question, some troll went off about how my family lived in the ghetto or something)

Short story on this church: when Joseph Smith Sr. died, some people wanted the church leadership to go in a patriarchal manner, with Joseph Smith Jr. being the new leader. Others thought it should go to Joseph Smith Sr.'s second-in-command, Brigham Young. The former stayed in Independence, Missouri, became the RLDS, and eventually developed into the Community of Christ. The latter (heh) moved to Utah and continued to be known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a.k.a. "The Mormons." The FLDS, or Fundamentalist LDS folks (I don't remember their entire name, it's late) branched off in Utah after the whole polygamy vs. United States thing. The only one of those three churches which currently practices polygamy is the FLDS.

It's my understanding some of the folks in this case are RLDS, who are now known as the Community of Christ, and, as far I know, have never been known as "Mormons" since their inception as an LDS offshoot. So, while they have a lot of history in common with the better-known Mormon (LDS) church, this group didn't make the trek from Missouri to Utah with the Mormon pioneers. I grew up in a big, devout Mormon (LDS) home, and while my name hasn't been officially removed from their records, I have not practiced since my parents stopped forcibly making me. Anyway, here's my point: I don't remember anything regarding burying jars. However, there were a lot of "object lessons" and symbolism involved in the LDS services and classes which I attended as a child and teenager. This jar burying thing, while I don't know anything about it specifically, isn't an idea which strikes me as incongruous with other church-related activities. Why did I mention Mormon pioneers earlier? I could totally see this as something the Mormon pioneer women and children would do as a remembrance or ritual during their difficult journey. Except, they wouldn't be likely to sacrifice a good jar for that kind of frivolous purpose, I reckon.

The LDS church has a strong focus on genealogy. This includes encouragement to keep a journal to benefit future generations. My parents bought us all journals and scrapbooks, which were called "books of remembrance." I remember dictating to my parents or siblings so they could write my thoughts in my journal before I knew how to write. I don't know if the RLDS or other offshoots are the same way.

I've heard of, and practiced, various variations of the jar-burying thing, with other religious and secular groups. I think of it in the same vein as balloon-launching...just a symbolic act of moving thoughts forward or away or whatever. While the jars could provide some physical evidence to back up the allegations, the act of burying the jars, and the inspiration for the burying, doesn't seem all that unique to me (obviously the particular thoughts going into the jars were unique and profound, but not the act itself). I hope this makes sense, and I'm sorry this is such a long post.

(One more thing, though, since I mentioned balloon-launching. I know launching balloons feels helpful to those letting the balloons go into the atmosphere. However, those balloons don't literally disappear into the cosmos. They float back down eventually, and, as they are usually made of rubbery stuff, and stringy plastic ribbon, they don't disintegrate, and end up negatively affecting wildlife who can get tangled up in it and/or eat it and choke. So, if you're tempted to let that balloon float away, please consider a more environmentally-friendly alternative.)
 
  • #130
I don't think it's not a matter of not noticing those things. I noticed when my son became quiet and withdrawn. I thought he was coming down with something. No ones mind immediately jumps to horrific sexual abuse.

My son's first disclosure was the perp exposed himself to him. The prep was removed because I was afraid it would escalate. I had NO IDEA it already had, until he told me. You can call it "denial" or whatever ya want. I'm confident you'd have difficultly finding a more dedicated mother than myself. I was in tune with my son. I am a stay at home mom, son was in the same room with me every waking moment unless I was in the bathroom or asleep. Guess what. That's when the abuse occurred.

I knew something was off....I was determined to get to the bottom of it.

Linda7NJ, the point of my post was not to imply that you or any other poster here wouldn't notice...I was responding to a portion of your post

"Children also believe a non offending parent should somehow just know. It's simply not true. After reading here, it seems many adults believe that as well."

and attempting to explain why adults posting here would question why adults involved in the case at hand would not have noticed & taken action.

It's further a mystery why the non-offending adults don't notice when the offender is family AND it is 'known' by the family that he's previously offended.

Again - your children are blessed that they had a mother who not only noticed but took action, and didn't make excuses for not doing either.

Not all children are so blessed -- especially those who are victims/survivors of incestuous abuse. The ultimate betrayal.

ETA: here's a prime example of a grandmother who didn't notice

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2009/11/post_75.html
 
  • #131
sniped Linda7NJ, the point of my post was not to imply that you or any other poster here wouldn't notice...I was responding to a portion of your post


Just wanted to say my reply wasn't directed at you specifically and I wasn't offended at all:)

You did bring up an excellent point. When everything went down, my close friend and next door neigbhor minimized it and didn't find it nearly as REVOLTING and HORRIFIC as I did. She was sexually abused as a child by her step father, her mom knew and didn't care. To rationalize her situation she just kinda ignored it. So I know exactly what you are saying. BTW she & I are no longer friends.
 
  • #132
I think in a really paternalistic setting as this one wold appear to be, women probably don't question their men.
 
  • #133
Linda--I hope you are sitting down. I'm actually shaking as I type this. The story about the dog....it happened here too. Our precious long haired white kitty (a Christmas present to our older daughter who "spurned" the rapist) showed up on the very first day he was allowed outside alone (he was 6 months old) with a perforated rectum. He was bleeding so hard and we thought he'd been hit by a car. We rushed him to the vet and he died a few hours later. The vet was very concerned and tried (I think) to protect us from the truth.

The strange thing was that all the children were in school but the rapist had stayed home "sick" that day. He lived next door. He knew how much we loved Willie and he knew we were going to let him outside for the first time. He immediately came over and expressed so much concern and sadness AND stood by as we held a funeral for Willie (I'll never forgive him for that).

Three months later, we adopted two kittens for our two older daughters to fill the void of missing Willie. A few months later the new white kitty, Henry, showed up one morning with his tail cut off!! We again rushed him to the vet and were told that a person had done this. Henry, thankfully, healed after surgery and just died of old age last month. Whenever, I looked at him, though, I remembered his pain. How stupid can two intelligent parents be????

The rapist used these two incidents (and others) to terrorize our children--especially the youngest three. They testified that he told them that he would kill or hurt more of our animals if they told about his abuse. And we stood by and suspected nothing at all. Nothing!! It wasn't until after the disclosures that my husband remembered catching the rapist playing with two small kittens in a cruel sort of way. My husband also remembered a time just after we moved in when he came upon the young man trying to set a opossum baby's body on fire. His explanation was that opossums were getting to his exotic birds and he had found this baby one dead and was trying to dispose of it. When my husband bent over it to check, he said that he was sure that its little head was smashed. He discounted it, though, as the young man seemed genuinely upset. Sure he was upset, he'd just been caught!!

When our case came to trial, we finally met the parents of two other children who had been abused by the same young man. They had actually lived in our house before we bought it. Their children were 3 and 6 at the time they lived here. We hadn't heard their story until they got on the witness stand. By this time the kids were three years older. The older child, 9, was autistic. He was a difficult witness. Every time the DA tried to get him to discuss the abuse (which had been disclosed during interviews), all he would do is cry and talk about how he'd watched the rapist tie up a Golden Retriever and insert a knife in its rectum. The other Mother was horrified. I still remember how she gasped when the boy said this. She got up and testified that she remembered the incident well as they had been pet-sitting the dog and it had disappeared. When it wandered back over here a couple of days later, it was bleeding. Her son had never told her. I, too, was stunned as it was exactly what had happened to our kitties.

To this very moment, I've held out hope that someday, the rapist will pay for those crimes as well. I'm so worried about the pets which live near him in his new town. I know what he can do.

And people wonder why children don't tell. I need to go splash cold water on my face.

I'm so so sorry for your pain, Linda. I wish I could hug you.
 
  • #134
BBM


I'm thankful it didn't go on for a long time, and I'm thankful my son finally told. The way it was disclosed ( admitted exposing himself) was enough for me to remove the perp from my home. With him gone...my son sang like a bird & everything spilled out. They were really hard days.

In my experience, it's easier for children to tell, when the perp is no longer in the picture and they believe they'll be safe.

That is exactly how our children disclosed--one at a time and separately when the rapist was locked up. They actually checked and double-checked about his distance and their safety before it all came flowing out.
 
  • #135
Since this case broke, I've wished we all lived close together -- to just be supportive of each other IRL....this case certainly stirs up lots of 'stuff' for me & others who've posted here.

It's time for a group hug!
 
  • #136
Linda--I hope you are sitting down. I'm actually shaking as I type this. The story about the dog....it happened here too. Our precious long haired white kitty (a Christmas present to our older daughter who "spurned" the rapist) showed up on the very first day he was allowed outside alone (he was 6 months old) with a perforated rectum. He was bleeding so hard and we thought he'd been hit by a car. We rushed him to the vet and he died a few hours later. The vet was very concerned and tried (I think) to protect us from the truth.

The strange thing was that all the children were in school but the rapist had stayed home "sick" that day. He lived next door. He knew how much we loved Willie and he knew we were going to let him outside for the first time. He immediately came over and expressed so much concern and sadness AND stood by as we held a funeral for Willie (I'll never forgive him for that).

Three months later, we adopted two kittens for our two older daughters to fill the void of missing Willie. A few months later the new white kitty, Henry, showed up one morning with his tail cut off!! We again rushed him to the vet and were told that a person had done this. Henry, thankfully, healed after surgery and just died of old age last month. Whenever, I looked at him, though, I remembered his pain. How stupid can two intelligent parents be????

The rapist used these two incidents (and others) to terrorize our children--especially the youngest three. They testified that he told them that he would kill or hurt more of our animals if they told about his abuse. And we stood by and suspected nothing at all. Nothing!! It wasn't until after the disclosures that my husband remembered catching the rapist playing with two small kittens in a cruel sort of way. My husband also remembered a time just after we moved in when he came upon the young man trying to set a opossum baby's body on fire. His explanation was that opossums were getting to his exotic birds and he had found this baby one dead and was trying to dispose of it. When my husband bent over it to check, he said that he was sure that its little head was smashed. He discounted it, though, as the young man seemed genuinely upset. Sure he was upset, he'd just been caught!!

When our case came to trial, we finally met the parents of two other children who had been abused by the same young man. They had actually lived in our house before we bought it. Their children were 3 and 6 at the time they lived here. We hadn't heard their story until they got on the witness stand. By this time the kids were three years older. The older child, 9, was autistic. He was a difficult witness. Every time the DA tried to get him to discuss the abuse (which had been disclosed during interviews), all he would do is cry and talk about how he'd watched the rapist tie up a Golden Retriever and insert a knife in its rectum. The other Mother was horrified. I still remember how she gasped when the boy said this. She got up and testified that she remembered the incident well as they had been pet-sitting the dog and it had disappeared. When it wandered back over here a couple of days later, it was bleeding. Her son had never told her. I, too, was stunned as it was exactly what had happened to our kitties.

To this very moment, I've held out hope that someday, the rapist will pay for those crimes as well. I'm so worried about the pets which live near him in his new town. I know what he can do.

And people wonder why children don't tell. I need to go splash cold water on my face.

I'm so so sorry for your pain, Linda. I wish I could hug you.


I wish I could hug you too miss izzy!

We seem to be okay now. My son is doing fantasic....it was a long bumpy road. The therapist said children that tell, then are believed and protected do exceptionally well in the long run. I'd be lying of I said there were no long term effects, but they're manageable.

The cats came back out and are lovable as they were before. The dog was never quiet the same, I am not sure how the perp blinded him...but he was blind right before the prep was tossed out. Poor dog would snap at air and always had nightmares. He was still very loving toward our family but no one else could get near him after that. he died of old age.

We've alarmed the house, have a guard dog, doors are always locked. The perp threatened to burn the house down with us all in it after court. I believed him and I'm ready for him. I too fully expect one day to turn on the news and see his face splashed all over it.

Just one more comment about our situation. There was no way my son would have been able to testify against him. We agreed to a plea bargain. as a result, the perp wasn't required to register as a sex offender. I did sue everyone that knew and never informed us. It's all held in a trust for my son. We eventually settled, again...it was years later, my son made tremendous progress and we feared a set back in his well being if he had to testify.
 
  • #137
Thanks, Texas Mist for the idea. On the count of three.
 
  • #138
Everyone might want to be cautious on checking this out as there are many triggers but it is interesting. I think these researchers discovered that there is, indeed, a playbook. I'd never heard of this site before but found this paper (dated May 2009) by researching some of the themes touched on above:

http://www.ritualabusetorture.org/behaviouralharmspaper.pdf

Their home page:

http://www.ritualabusetorture.org/

is full of resources you might want to look at. I really think that this organization will be watching the Mohler case carefully. As I've always maintained when speaking of the "ritual" trials of the 80's....where there's smoke, there's fire.
 
  • #139
Just a half-baked hypothesis but something to think about. The internet has become our society's new kitchen table. The media (like it or not) informs us daily. I wonder if the fact that these young adults came forward and disclosed to LE in August had anything at all to do with the rescue of Jaycee?

Think about it. The media embraced the discovery and everyone was jubilant. In fact, we still are. Terrible facts about Jaycee's ordeal quickly came to surface but we kept our focus on what was most important--Jaycee and her two young daughters. Then came the People magazine. There was Jaycee bravely smiling and looking like the survivor she truly is. What message does this send to others who are suffering?

I believe that we have turned this train around. I believe that children and adults are starting to truly accept that abuse can happen, people can suffer, but there can be healing. We can lock up the bad guys and give hope to victims with therapy. Of course, the plan isn't perfect but it's happening with more and more regularity.

Remember that only a short time ago, Children's Advocacy Centers didn't even exist. Now, almost every county has one. There was no such thing as Crime Victims United. Possibly this group of siblings came to the conclusion that they would be believed and that the guilty would be punished. Only they know exactly what happened. Only they know what threats and pain have been endured. Only they know if they saw the writing on the wall with younger children in the family.

But current events are showing them that the sun actually can come up tomorrow. They are seeing firsthand that horrible suffering can be placed squarely on those who meted it out--not the victims. No child EVER does anything to deserve sexual abuse. We know that but we're adults. We're adults who either have been blessed with safety and love or have survived and overcome to now be in a place of safety. This wasn't the message passed on to victims even thirty years ago. But today really is a new day. There is power in truth.

Just a thought.
 
  • #140
Just a half-baked hypothesis but something to think about. The internet has become our society's new kitchen table. The media (like it or not) informs us daily. I wonder if the fact that these young adults came forward and disclosed to LE in August had anything at all to do with the rescue of Jaycee?

Think about it. The media embraced the discovery and everyone was jubilant. In fact, we still are. Terrible facts about Jaycee's ordeal quickly came to surface but we kept our focus on what was most important--Jaycee and her two young daughters. Then came the People magazine. There was Jaycee bravely smiling and looking like the survivor she truly is. What message does this send to others who are suffering?

I believe that we have turned this train around. I believe that children and adults are starting to truly accept that abuse can happen, people can suffer, but there can be healing. We can lock up the bad guys and give hope to victims with therapy. Of course, the plan isn't perfect but it's happening with more and more regularity.

Remember that only a short time ago, Children's Advocacy Centers didn't even exist. Now, almost every county has one. There was no such thing as Crime Victims United. Possibly this group of siblings came to the conclusion that they would be believed and that the guilty would be punished. Only they know exactly what happened. Only they know what threats and pain have been endured. Only they know if they saw the writing on the wall with younger children in the family.

But current events are showing them that the sun actually can come up tomorrow. They are seeing firsthand that horrible suffering can be placed squarely on those who meted it out--not the victims. No child EVER does anything to deserve sexual abuse. We know that but we're adults. We're adults who either have been blessed with safety and love or have survived and overcome to now be in a place of safety. This wasn't the message passed on to victims even thirty years ago. But today really is a new day. There is power in truth.

Just a thought.

I think your theory of Jaycee's discovery & support is a good one, MissIzzy -- even if it was only something subconscious that gave the vics in this case strength to speak up.

One of the pdf's I read at the RAT site (http://www.ritualabusetorture.org/MO_pedophiles.pdf) mentioned something that we've already seen here in this case - concerning the perps attempt to evade responsibility -- crying & claming illness...there's the 3 who were reported to have been teary eyed in first court appearance, and the last one who claims various ailments, including lung disease. Is it coincidence? IMO, no.
 
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