MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #3

[Texas Mist]

since no new news tonite, I started digging thru older articles that I hadn't read before...here's one where Darrel Mohler says:

Darrel Mohler said he has visited Missouri once, maybe twice, since leaving home. One of the occasions, he said, was as he was heading to bury his mother in Indiana in 1981.


http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20091115/articles/911151009

thought I'd add it to our thread in case we need to find his explanations of when he was or wasn't in Missouri.

 

[Missizzy]

I believe Darrel also said that the only contact he had with family was via holiday cards from his nephew. Updates, I guess.

Let this be a life lesson, folks, don't make broad statements upon arrest. A whole group of people could just be waiting to trip you up. Watch your tongue. Isn't there something about "could be used against you in a court of law...."?

 

[Missizzy]

“I’ve no contact with him or his family,” Darrel Mohler said about his brother and his extended family.

He said he and his brother “grew apart” and that aside from one of his nephews calling him every Christmas and birthday, “he has nothing to do with” his brother."

Excuse me, phone calls. Probably to get his order. Sorry. That wasn't nice.

 

[CHICANA]

I'd call one of the hot-lines which I'm sure they must have set up for the Mohler case. Remember how SNAP begged people to call LE directly? I think that might be the best bet.

Sending the Governor an email late at night sounds like something I would do but they're probably being overly careful due to terrorist threats. You are definitely not unstable but concerned. Good grief, look what turning away has done for the victims--absolutely nothing!!

They are bound to have someone working those phones tomorrow, even though it's a holiday. I actually have kind of been hoping that seeing family might spur some new disclosures.

Remember what we teach kids? Tell someone and if they don't listen, tell someone else. You need to get someone to listen to your story. Please don't give up.

Sorry, I don't think I was very clear on that.I wasn't talking about this case. I had issues with my teen, CPS and family court a few years ago. I wrote to the governor to let him know that at her request (and after I pizzed them off), CPS had placed her with a family of documented criminals in a crappy house, who allowed my 16 year old daughter to spend the night at her boyfriends (the caseworker said it was OK). That the worker didn't do the appropriate background checks or even take fingerprints until they were contacted by my state rep's office. After getting the fingerprints back (and learning that both parents had been arrested for molesting 2 children) they conveniently 'lost' them and turned everything over to their emergency legal dept. They had to try to discredit me in any way possible to keep their jobs. This was what I was talking about and it was kind of OT.
However, I learned that the slime my daughter stayed with took pictures of their victims to sell and that was their real motivation. This happened in 1991 or 1992 and they lived about 7 miles from the Mohler's. You'd have to know where to unload pics like that, wouldn't you ?

 

[CHICANA]

This might be a wild card but I'll post to see if anyone thinks there could be a connection. Remember The Children of God or The Family...one of the most well known cults? Well, while trying to nail down just where the "pamphlet about child sexual abuse" (in the recent search warrants) came from, I came upon this:

Note: Please be aware that this article describes child sex abuse IMO.

http://xfamily.org/index.php/Story_of_Davidito

And more on the subject of the child, actually named Ricky Rodriguez:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Rodriguez

Even if this is not connected, look a the time frames and the practices. The sexual interaction of children and adults was encouraged and said to be a God given gift. Notice that David Berg was considered The Father and The Prophet and had many women at his disposal.

"The group published a childcare manual in January 1982 that described the education, home life, and care of Rodriguez. The 762-page book also included at least a dozen photographs depicting the child engaged in sexual activity with his governesses."

"Copies of the original still exist in the collections of former members, some of whom have provided them to law enforcement agencies."

Just wondering here, if some religious nuts in Missouri got hold of a seemingly "religious treatise" on the raising of children.

Remember the material LE confiscated ? One was called-- X Family Matters.

 

[Texas Mist]

Remember the material LE confiscated ? One was called-- X Family Matters.

Yowza -- check this out

Jaimee Foxworth was the adorable youngest daughter on the hit television sitcom, Family Matters but her life was soon shaken when her character, Judy Winslow, was suddenly written off of the series. It is rumored to have been to make more time to showcase the over-the-top, übernerd Steve Urkel

....

The most bizarre choice she made was to become an adult film star in 2002 which only fed her insecurity and drug habit but did allow her to support herself financially. Jaimee never intentionally made a conscious decision to get into the business; she was slowly coerced into it as she explains in the interview video below. She starred in many pornographic films including several versions of More Black Dirty Debutantes and Super Fine Sistahs! The other titles are too explicit to name


more here

http://www.examiner.com/x-28888-Whe...🤬-star--Family-Matters-Jamiee-Foxworth--Video


I wonder if Mohler Sr. was 'collecting' Jaimee's vids??

 

[Missizzy]

I was just getting ready to post the same thing. I had no idea. It looks like one of the Mohler men lusted after black women. Is anyone on the board who can speak to the issue of transcultural relationships and the overall standing of the blacks within the LDS and the Community of Christ Church? I'd honestly like more info.

Jaimee was born in 1979, around the time of the older Mohler girls. It wouldn't be surprising if they'd watched the show. Jaimee would have been making the in the late nineties. I don't know how this fits with the abuse which has already been reported although, I get the impression that the abuse was ending as the siblings were growing up and leaving.

It's very gross to me that Sr. had this as the girl is his granddaughters' age. I guess that wouldn't be quite so shocking except for the fact that he seems so fixated on incest. Maybe he liked to remember Jaimee as she was when she was cute and young and innocent. It's sad that she felt drawn to make this . You sure can't "unmake" it. The bigger issue here is what brought about this collection? It seems like the Mohlers have quite a range of genres--incest , elder , bestiality, ethnic . They shop around. I haven't heard anything about S & M, has anyone else? I don't recall the girls being bound but I could be wrong. Does anyone remember the girls stating that they were forced to watch ? I know they were posed for photos.

I'm getting very worried about any missing persons in the Independence area from the late 80s-late 90s. The saving of the jewelry is odd unless it's a trophy thing. I can't imagine prostitutes or marginalized people having much jewelry of value. One would think that if someone went missing with fine jewelry, that would figure into the case. Just hmmmm.

 

[CHICANA]

Yowza -- check this out

Jaimee Foxworth was the adorable youngest daughter on the hit television sitcom, Family Matters but her life was soon shaken when her character, Judy Winslow, was suddenly written off of the series. It is rumored to have been to make more time to showcase the over-the-top, übernerd Steve Urkel

....

The most bizarre choice she made was to become an adult film star in 2002 which only fed her insecurity and drug habit but did allow her to support herself financially. Jaimee never intentionally made a conscious decision to get into the business; she was slowly coerced into it as she explains in the interview video below. She starred in many pornographic films including several versions of More Black Dirty Debutantes and Super Fine Sistahs! The other titles are too explicit to name


more here

http://www.examiner.com/x-28888-Whe...🤬-star--Family-Matters-Jamiee-Foxworth--Video


I wonder if Mohler Sr. was 'collecting' Jaimee's vids??

Mohler is definitely a 'collector'. Do we have any info on the 27 year old who was living with Mohler SR who was believed to be his daughter ?

 

[Missizzy]

Not a word. I keep going back to those first few days when we were hearing about a disabled woman living with them. Is this the 27 year old? Who's the woman/girl who lived in the basement at the farmhouse--one and the same?

I thought it was very odd that the girls actually asked if they had a sister they didn't know about. That comment struck me as something from another century--hiding a disabled child/adult.

And nobody has answered why SMohler ended up back with Sr. I thought she had enough sense to remarry and move north. Do you think there's any possibility that she moved back to nail him?

Where did the Mohler men find all these willing wives?

It sounds as if Darrel's expected back in Missouri tomorrow. All the guys can be together for turkey day.

 

[Texas Mist]

I was just getting ready to post the same thing. I had no idea. It looks like one of the Mohler men lusted after black women. Is anyone on the board who can speak to the issue of transcultural relationships and the overall standing of the blacks within the LDS and the Community of Christ Church? I'd honestly like more info.

Jaimee was born in 1979, around the time of the older Mohler girls. It wouldn't be surprising if they'd watched the show. Jaimee would have been making the in the late nineties. I don't know how this fits with the abuse which has already been reported although, I get the impression that the abuse was ending as the siblings were growing up and leaving.

It's very gross to me that Sr. had this as the girl is his granddaughters' age. I guess that wouldn't be quite so shocking except for the fact that he seems so fixated on incest. Maybe he liked to remember Jaimee as she was when she was cute and young and innocent. It's sad that she felt drawn to make this . You sure can't "unmake" it. The bigger issue here is what brought about this collection? It seems like the Mohlers have quite a range of genres--incest , elder , bestiality, ethnic . They shop around. I haven't heard anything about S & M, has anyone else? I don't recall the girls being bound but I could be wrong. Does anyone remember the girls stating that they were forced to watch ? I know they were posed for photos.

I'm getting very worried about any missing persons in the Independence area from the late 80s-late 90s. The saving of the jewelry is odd unless it's a trophy thing. I can't imagine prostitutes or marginalized people having much jewelry of value. One would think that if someone went missing with fine jewelry, that would figure into the case. Just hmmmm.

As far as the jewelry, I was thinking about unsolved murders....maybe these people were found but no suspects developed.

Haven't found a whole lot of cases from the 80's til mid 90's in that region of Missouri.

And it's been reported at least one time the kids were bound -- so sounds like there were lots of 'fantasies' acted out.

The new charges, filed Monday, stemmed from accounts of a 29-year-old woman, who told investigators she and three other children were bound at the wrists and blindfolded while three men raped them.

 

[Texas Mist]

Not a word. I keep going back to those first few days when we were hearing about a disabled woman living with them. Is this the 27 year old? Who's the woman/girl who lived in the basement at the farmhouse--one and the same?

I thought it was very odd that the girls actually asked if they had a sister they didn't know about. That comment struck me as something from another century--hiding a disabled child/adult.

And nobody has answered why SMohler ended up back with Sr. I thought she had enough sense to remarry and move north. Do you think there's any possibility that she moved back to nail him?

Where did the Mohler men find all these willing wives?

It sounds as if Darrel's expected back in Missouri tomorrow. All the guys can be together for turkey day.

BBM-- have you noticed how quickly they remarried ? looks like a year or so -- at least for BMjr from what I've seen...IIRC, BMsr married w/i a year or so after Alice died.

Guess they feel obligated to have a woman around.

 

[Missizzy]

I think it was actually only 10 months!!

I'd already turned off the computer when I had a sudden thought. Remember the Jaimee videos and the genre we hadn't expected? This is not PC and I have no idea what the connection might be..but one name--LK.

Night.

 

[Texas Mist]

 

[cleo612]

This might be a wild card but I'll post to see if anyone thinks there could be a connection. Remember The Children of God or The Family...one of the most well known cults? Well, while trying to nail down just where the "pamphlet about child sexual abuse" (in the recent search warrants) came from, I came upon this:

Note: Please be aware that this article describes child sex abuse IMO.

http://xfamily.org/index.php/Story_of_Davidito

And more on the subject of the child, actually named Ricky Rodriguez:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Rodriguez

Even if this is not connected, look a the time frames and the practices. The sexual interaction of children and adults was encouraged and said to be a God given gift. Notice that David Berg was considered The Father and The Prophet and had many women at his disposal.

"The group published a childcare manual in January 1982 that described the education, home life, and care of Rodriguez. The 762-page book also included at least a dozen photographs depicting the child engaged in sexual activity with his governesses."

"Copies of the original still exist in the collections of former members, some of whom have provided them to law enforcement agencies."

Just wondering here, if some religious nuts in Missouri got hold of a seemingly "religious treatise" on the raising of children.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that I grew up in Columbia. I remember seeing some of these publications (pamphlets) back then, but I cannot remember where or how I came to see them. I just remember that we (some childhood friends) were laughing at some of the sexually explicit pictures. I do remember that it wasn't the precise content that sent us into our fits of laughter, but rather the nudity depicted in cartoon-like form. I seem to recall that there were many cartoon characters of an old bearded man bedded with young women/girls.

I know that sounds weird or strange coming from a victim of child sex abuse, but those types of pictures were so forbidden that we felt as though we had found someone's old stash of National Geographic with the uncensored photos of natives from third world countries. I can remember my little brother searching out those National Geographics as he entered into puberty.

Several years later, I recall seeing the book from which there are some pages on the first link you posted. I vividly recall seeing those pictures, but again, I do not recall under what circumstances. I don't think that I ever realized that they came from the same organization. I do recall feeling utter disgust when I saw this book. It was published the same year that my son was born--I was 23 at the time.

I wish now that I could recall just exactly where I was and with whom when I saw these publications. It is no longer a laughing matter--it is serious and disgusting. Just thinking that I may have known someone whose family actually believed in, or practised, any of the doctrines from those publications sends shivers up my spine.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I remember either a comment after one of the articles, or a Topix comment of a woman stating one of the Mohlers was an official in some capacity at the church in Blue Springs, I think she said he led the congregation. Maybe I'm full of poo. Maybe I've got the town wrong. IIRC she said he was filling in for someone else. I've looked for this, not sure now if it was linked here or if I read it and thought "hmmmm". Did I dream this, because I haven't been able to find it again.

 

[mysteriew]

Not a word. I keep going back to those first few days when we were hearing about a disabled woman living with them. Is this the 27 year old? Who's the woman/girl who lived in the basement at the farmhouse--one and the same?

I thought it was very odd that the girls actually asked if they had a sister they didn't know about. That comment struck me as something from another century--hiding a disabled child/adult.

And nobody has answered why SMohler ended up back with Sr. I thought she had enough sense to remarry and move north. Do you think there's any possibility that she moved back to nail him?

Where did the Mohler men find all these willing wives?

It sounds as if Darrel's expected back in Missouri tomorrow. All the guys can be together for turkey day.

Did they actually see a girl in the crawl space or did the mom just point to the crawl space? Because what it reminded me of was the number of cases we have seen where corpses have ended up hidden in the walls. Second would be the punishment cases where kids are put into closets. But I would think the kids would have heard someone moving around, or would have seen someone putting food in there and would have known there was someone in there.

The mention of sister though also reminds me of the term "sister wives" that the FLDS uses. Maybe there was a discussion of "sister wife" that confused the children. But that would have been an odd response from the mother for that type of discussion.

 

[mysteriew]

http://www.examiner.net/news/x1945269013/Police-continue-search-for-evidence-in-Mohler-investigation

Police continue search for evidence in Mohler investigation

"Authorities wanted to find wooden boxes and a treasure chest during a search of Burrell Mohler Sr.’s home because they might contain jewelry from his alleged victims, according to court records."

Some photos of the items recovered.

Ok I understand the hunt for the wooden boxes with jewelry in them, but what is the significance of the treasure chest with the coins? Assuming they are only taking things that were related to a crime or might be related to a crime, what is the significance?

The jewelry wouldn't have to be valuable because they could never sell it. The jewelry's only value would as a trophy, a souvenir of sorts of the connection to the victim it was taken from and the memory of their fate.

 

[mysteriew]

Wintergreen--This is moving fast today and I'm trying to go back and tie up some loose ends. You asked about the Sackett series. It's a series of paperbacks by Louis L'Amour. The books follow the escapades of brothers throughout the West--IIRC in the late 1800s. I think a few have been made into films--not sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_L'Amour#Sackett_series

Some of the books were listed on the search warrants that were released today which Texas Mist so kindly linked to. That's where the maps are also. There was a comment that the girls remembered codes being in the books.

One of my sons used to read Louis L'Amour and I remember the Sacketts having traveled great distances. My son would read me passages describing different areas of the West. Possibly there's some sort of link to locations. The search warrants only list and catalog the maps. There's no link to any map that I know of. HTH

Possible theory. I thought maybe the names and numbers might have been for the various "customers". Remember the victims said they were posed in pornographic positions with men on the bed and their photos were taken. When the M's had the opportunity to do a photo session, they would have needed to contact their customers. Because it was a criminal activity they may not have wanted to just put the numbers in an address book.

 

[Missizzy]

Cleo--I know just what you are talking about concerning the pamphlet. I found a stash of something like this concerning STDs in my Dad's underwear drawer (sorry Daddy). I found them in the late 60's and they'd probably been produced during WWII. They seemed SOOOO nasty and dirty. I even remember the little old bearded man. The ones I found were printed on cheap pink paper. He was teaching a bunch of soldiers about disease and girls "over there". I did some searching and found a company, Channing-Bete, that has been producing helpful "safety" pamphlets since the forties. They have/had one titled, "What Everyone Should Know About the Sexual Abuse of Children". I looked and found that doctors' offices, churches, and schools would offer these.

I think two things could have happened. Either, the Mohlers picked one up so they could evaluate if their girls looked as if they displayed any of the public signs or a church leader or caseworker gave them the pamphlet thinking they needed it. Possibly, Brother Tonga gave it to them. I've even looked on Ebay to see if they have an old one but no luck. That's my best guess.

As to The Family and their lurid "Davidito" book (over 700 pages?? That's not a child raising manual, that's child !!), I've never seen that. I would be VERY interested in finding out where you might have seen that as it sounds as if those are rare. I think The Family figured out pretty quickly that the world was not accepting of these practices. I guess the social experiment failed miserably when Ricky grew up and killed his governess and himself. The poor guy was probably so confused and conflicted.

It's just a thought, but I wonder if there was a Children of God/The Family commune in Missouri at the time which the Mohler guys got interested or involved in. If they were already experimenting with this type of lifestyle, I can see them wanting the book. It's a stretch to jump from the LDS/RLDS over to The Family, though. I don't believe that The Family had much biblical training (other than what Berg went around spouting off). It certainly wasn't mainstream. I'd think that it would have been thought to have been tremendously "hippie" and counter-culture at the time in Missouri. The Mohlers don't strike me that way but maybe they borrowed some dogma.

I also wonder if these kids had problems in school and the community. If they were highly sexualized and traumatized, I just don't see how they could be even threatened to behave. However, we've seen many posts on Topix saying that they were great and well-rounded kids. That doesn't make sense.

 

[Missizzy]

If you go back and look at the search warrants for Jared's house, you'll see some narrative on the last page. I think it's a template that's used on all search warrants for child to inform judges as to why they need to search and concerning the scope of what they are looking for.

IIRC, it talks about how collectors keep detailed lists. Mysteriew, I agree, it's probably got something to do with the . It also might be connected to murders (oh, I hope not). I'll see if I can find that link.

Concerning lists, I have an observation. I've been open on here that one of our sons who was raped developed a raging addiction in high school. He's developmentally disabled and was in special ed. He functions and writes at about a second grade level. He had to have a full time aid to keep him away from computers and other kids' electronics. Any time he had the opportunity to get onto an unmonitored computer (sneaking into locked rooms at night, going to a friend's house, etc.), he would make lists of web-sites--often 200-300 titles long.

He took a phone book and SF newspaper in his room and hid them and made meticulous lists of escort services. One time we noticed our fax machine wasn't working and my husband checked all the phone outlets in the house. He discovered that E. had stolen a phone and connector from somewhere and had plugged it in to a jack in his room. He had it hidden under a blanket. He tapped in to our fax line and was calling 900 numbers. He ran up $300 in charges. I had to write to the companies with a copy of a letter from our doctor saying he was a minor who had DD. Oh, and he stole my credit card to access the sites!! He hid it from us for about four days. That's just a wee bit of obsession, especially coming from a 15 year old boy with an IQ in the low 70s. I still have stacks of his confiscated "lists". It's an illness, I'm sure. That's how I know those statements on the search warrants are right on.