MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #3

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  • #421
Missizzy said:
Chicana--I need to add that the saddest line in your post is, "His youngest son is now in prison for child molestation". Of course, I realize that the young man is responsible for his actions but this is such a common outcome. Taboos are removed, self-esteem is destroyed, spirits are broken. I rail against the son repeating the molestation but I understand it. One of our sons who was raped is in prison for unlawful penetration of a minor (a 16 year old--not a small child, but not legally an adult either).

Our son should have known better. He did know better. I'm sure the same goes for your nephew. I'm so sorry.
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I know, it's hard to break the cycle. I hope the victims of the Mohler's are able to.
My understanding is the nephew who's in jail wasn't actually molested. He's the youngest and I don't know if 🤬🤬🤬 had actually gotten to him yet. He was 4 at the time and slept on the bottom bunk while his sister slept on the top. His dad would move him to the top and his 5 year old sister to the bottom, so he was more of a witness to the abuse. He was diagnosed as schizophrenic in his teens.

Even though my other nephews haven't been accused of anything and were definitely victims, I wouldn't leave my children alone in the same room with them. I'm afraid of the cycle.
It's sad, but I really don't have anything to do with many of my family members. I don't want my kids around them.
 
  • #422
Missizzy said:
Chicana--I know this is gross but our children's rapist raped little girls, little boys, dogs, cats, bunnies, a pigeon, and a chicken. And that's just the victims we know of. I recently read a quote by Neal Horsley (the anti-abortion activist) concerning his "strange" sex habits when he was a teen:

"If it's warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it."

I'm afraid that that pretty much sums it up for pedophiles.
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There's really no 'gentle' way to describe a pedophile, is there ?
 
  • #423
Chicana--IMO, you are not off topic. I think it's totally healthy and normal for you to feel the hatred you do. Can you come up with another "title" for this horrible man other than half-brother? I have a half-brother and he's a treasure. Why don't you call him a relative or your nephews' and nieces' father?

I want to gently add that I do believe that some judges sit and ponder what was going on in the child's mind and body during the rape. Our judge did. I wish I could link you to his words. I'll never forget them. He validated their pain and our pain. I still hear those kind words. Now--we got the added perk of a locked cell for our rapist--for 10 years--and that didn't hurt. He and his family didn't rest, though, they fought every single day of those 10 years.

I know I'm in the minority but I honestly have some sadness for the man who raped my children. I would not want his life, his brain, his body. I raised my kids constantly telling them that this young man was "broken" and we needed to hate what he did but to not let ourselves be filled with hate. That just takes us down to the criminal's level. i fully agree that you should hate, abhor, loathe the nasty vile things your relative did. You are doing something right as he despises you. Hopefully, somewhere, deep deep down, he has some shame.

So, when you read something horrific....cry, rant, scream a little. I do. Just by being on here and sharing your story, you help people every day. We all see that you can cry and hurt and try to move forward. Remember, surviving is an ongoing process. (((hugs)))
 
  • #424
Missizzy said:
Chicana--IMO, you are not off topic. I think it's totally healthy and normal for you to feel the hatred you do. Can you come up with another "title" for this horrible man other than half-brother? I have a half-brother and he's a treasure. Why don't you call him a relative or your nephews' and nieces' father?

I want to gently add that I do believe that some judges sit and ponder what was going on in the child's mind and body during the rape. Our judge did. I wish I could link you to his words. I'll never forget them. He validated their pain and our pain. I still hear those kind words. Now--we got the added perk of a locked cell for our rapist--for 10 years--and that didn't hurt. He and his family didn't rest, though, they fought every single day of those 10 years.

I know I'm in the minority but I honestly have some sadness for the man who raped my children. I would not want his life, his brain, his body. I raised my kids constantly telling them that this young man was "broken" and we needed to hate what he did but to not let ourselves be filled with hate. That just takes us down to the criminal's level. i fully agree that you should hate, abhor, loathe the nasty vile things your relative did. You are doing something right as he despises you. Hopefully, somewhere, deep deep down, he has some shame.

So, when you read something horrific....cry, rant, scream a little. I do. Just by being on here and sharing your story, you help people every day. We all see that you can cry and hurt and try to move forward. Remember, surviving is an ongoing process. (((hugs)))
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I usually call him my mother's son, but I didn't want to confuse anybody. I think I have issues. LOL.. I wasn't a victim and he never really 'did' anything to me personally, but I still hate him. I feel guilty for hating him, but I still hate him. He destroyed so many lives for his own sick, selfish 'wants'.
If I learned right now that he was dead, I'd feel no sadness. I'd be afraid to go to his funeral because it seems like it'd be fun. I'm serious, I'd probably be there with a big smile on my face. I'd enjoy it even more if it was slow and painful.
I'm really scaring myself. My husband teases me because I'll get teary-eyed when passing a car accident (even if nobody died). It hurts me when bad things happen to strangers, but the thought of my mother's son dying seems like a pleasant event.

I wonder if the victims are more forgiving than I am ?

Back on topic, I've been thinking about Mohler's son. I'm pretty sure I know who he is and if I'm right he's a cop in my town. I've only seen him in passing at Quick Trip, but he seems like a nice guy. I'm wondering what impact all this disclosure is having on him. IMO it would take a really strong man to admit something like this to fellow officers and I have a hunch that this case is finally moving forward because of him.

I usually don't ramble this much. Really.
 
  • #425
Rambling's OK sometimes. I think you've got a point. Those who are front-line victims either get sucked into the evil, stay broken, or choose to heal and go on. You remind me so much of my five oldest kids--now 24-35--who were not victims. They have no mercy on the rapist. They say horrid and violent things about him. They can't forgive. I'm working on them, one by one.

My husband and I didn't have that option as we also had to raise the kids. It's a bit like bailing out a boat. You're so busy with the bucket you really can't see anything else. I was so busy raising kids with a zillion "issues" and behaviors, I had to move on--fast. My "hurt" children needed years of therapy and intense supervision and lots and lots of unconditional love and redirection. They needed me to stand out in the middle of muddy fields in my pretty silk skirt while they threatened to kill themselves with an overdose of insulin due to the intractable pain (while police stood by with stun guns). They needed me to visit at the Juvenile Justice Center for the 14th time that they were jailed for assault and to assure the judge that I really could "keep going" (when I wasn't so sure). They needed me to hold their hands back from cutting again. But they also needed me to scream with joy when they graduated or went on their first date or won state in soccer. The needed me to hold their hand as they cried after their first consensual sexual encounter when things didn't "work". Just yesterday, one needed me to squeal with delight that he got an 85 on a college paper knowing that he desperately wants to be a police officer but only has an 80 IQ and is blind in one eye. Who knows...maybe he can do it. I've honestly learned to believe in miracles.

My three birth children inherited a neuro-immune disorder from my side of the family and so I had to help them as they struggled with new disabilities--after marrying and having children and great success. Then, I developed the illness. That wasn't fair. I cried and was a tad bit irritated at God for awhile, I admit. But I can't stand people who feel sorry for themselves so I had to practice what I preach. I am 100% disabled now and confined to bed but I still reach out through the phone and the internet and parent 24 hours a day. I've had to learn to be taken care of and be gracious about it. I even have a lovely special needs foster child who is the victim of abuse who I truly feel we've made a difference for. She's been with us for 14 months. She's 15 years old and this is the longest time she's ever lived anywhere. We're asking to adopt her. I also have you guys. I stay busy.

We've had to keep moving fast to keep up with these new challenges. The rapist and the trial were never far out of our minds as it always kept popping up its ugly head. But we had health stuff and grand-babies and teen-agers and LIFE. People often look at our life and say "how do you do it, how do you stay positive?" Well, isn't that better than the alternative?

We can all cry collectively over the daily assault of crime in our society. But crying doesn't get a lot of work done. We each need to find the little piece we can add to the puzzle to make this world work a tiny bit better each day. Is this cliche? You bet. Life is cliche. We all share a certain similarity of human-ness. We can choose dark or we can choose light. I feel like those of us on this board are choosing light.

My guess is that somewhere you feel some survivor's guilt or sadness that you "should" have known or "should" have been able to do something about your relative's kids. Trust me, if you could have, you would have. You're doing something right on here by telling your story and helping make sense and find closure for new crimes. You can remind those who are hurting that life does go on and the sun comes up.

My best advice is to keep moving forward, fill your life with those who love you and support you, and work towards vibrancy. Not happiness...vibrancy. It's good to have a fire under you, to have your blood pumping, to have emotions (both bad and good). Stop looking back. It's done. Look forward at all the things you can still do and change and experience. Step outside what is comfortable. Life is messy but it's all we've got. That and each other. Really.
 
  • #426
CHICANA said:
I don't know how they do it either. His kids are sooo messed up. When his daughter told on him, he tried to blame it on his son.
He spent one night in jail. He was on parole and had to go to 'counseling' for 5 years. We always talk about how little time child molesters get, apparently it's even less for doing it to one of your own children. Their mom didn't push for jail time because if he was in jail, she wouldn't get child support. Apparently the court takes that into consideration when sentencing fathers who sodomize their little boys.
Is it typical of pervs to molest both boys and girls ?
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The term perv or even pedofile is pretty broad. There are preferential pedos who only target boys or girls. There are some who will take whatever is around, including adults. But from what I have read, some pedos don't make much distinction between young boys and girls because while prepubescent, they don't have as much gender distinction in their physical appearance.
 
  • #427
IWannaKnow said:
JM appears to be in a bit of a hurry, huh. Only one with a lawyer doesn't want a prelim....hmmmmmmmm.......none of the others even have representation still and the few family in the court room refused to comment.....hmmmmmmm.
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Soooo, one doesn't have the $$ to get an attorney but he has the bucks to post bail?

I wonder if the alleged victims feel intimidated by this development?

fran
 
  • #428
I know I would!!!!
 
  • #429
I haven't seen this before, maybe I missed it -

http://www.kctv5.com/news/21650901/detail.html

Church Holds Service For Mohler Victims, Suspects
November 18, 2009

INDEPENDENCE, Mo. -- Church officials at the Community of Christ Church in Independence held a prayer service for the victims in a child sex ring involving five members of the Mohler family and the suspects, some of whom were members of the church.

The Community of Christ Church invited people from the community to come in and pray Tuesday night. About 60 people came to the service and many said they were still searching for answers in a story that seems to get worse by the day.
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I admit I haven't spent alot of time researching the church, but it would seem to me that their congregation is larger than 60 people (another article said 100 people came to the vigil)....with 250,000 members in 50 countries, you would think the *home base* would have more than 60-100 members. JMO. Maybe not everyone is so supportive???

Found it! They list 3259 members in central MO... [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_Christ_membership_statistics[/ame]
 
  • #430
Missizzy said:
IWannaknow, I just figured out how you came up with your screen name. It's perfect.

I wanna know, too.
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Thank you Missizzy - of course you would understand it. It's why I'm here...
 
  • #431
fran said:
Soooo, one doesn't have the $$ to get an attorney but he has the bucks to post bail?

I wonder if the alleged victims feel intimidated by this development?

fran
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fran - That struck me as very curious also. No money for an attorney but he could post bail. Articles today are saying he now has an attorney. Why the wait???

I feel sure (really hope!) the victims planned for this. They cleaned the web, it seems to me they had plans in place. Good for them. I hope they work now that these *men* are getting out...
 
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http://www.kmbc.com/news/21797513/detail.html

3 Mohlers Appear In Court
Darrel Mohler Charged With 2 Counts Of Child Rape

Burrell Mohler Jr. and Roland Mohler also appeared in court for a status hearing. Neither man had an attorney present.

The judge gave both men a list from a lawyer referral service. Roland Mohler claimed he had too many assets to qualify for a public defender.
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http://www.examiner.net/news/x1682948827/One-Mohler-waives-preliminary-hearing

One Mohler waives preliminary hearing

The judge set Mohler’s bond at $50,000 cash only with special conditions like no drug or alcohol use or contact with anyone under age 17.
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The lack of comments on these articles is interesting...
 
  • #435
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Ed Mohler, Jr. is the father of the girls and boy who made the accusations. He has no attorney and has not filled out the paperwork to see if he can get a public defender. He will not be able to make a plea until he has done that and he will be back in court on December 15.

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Burrell Mohler, Sr. did not appear in court on Thursday, but he does have an attorney. His attorney was unable to make it on Thursday and his next court date is January 12.

David Mohler, who's been in jail since November 10, bonded out on Wednesday afternoon. His attorney's law firm in Iowa posted the $70,000 bond. His lawyer George B. Jones said his client won't be talking.


more here

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-mohler-jail-arrives-bonds-120309,0,1296920.story
 
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  • #437
Doesn't it seem odd that some of these men are not getting attorneys, just seem to be content to sit in jail? What is up with that?
 
  • #438
I agree ohiogirl. I actually tried to find out if it's even legal in Missouri to just sit there. I can't find a statute, can anybody else. I find that very odd. When you think about, the citizens of Missouri are paying room and board for a group of guys that don't seem to have a plan. Maybe some of the Mohlers actually feel safer locked up than if they walked free. JMO

The cat is out of the bag, though, and their lives have been exposed. If they have nothing to hide (although that seems implausible to me at this point), why not accept a public defender and fight like heck to clear their names? If it were me, I'd want to get the ball rolling. Maybe, they're still in shock that they got caught. Maybe they truly believed that their threats would last a lifetime.
 
  • #439
Beats me. Maybe they are hoping nothing will be proven and will be let go?
 
  • #440
ohiogirl said:
Beats me. Maybe they are hoping nothing will be proven and will be let go?
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They're probably busy "praying" :loser::loser::loser::loser::loser::loser:
 
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