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Sorry I took me so long I pasted the URL wrong.http://www.kcmo.org/police/Crime/SexCrimes/SexCrimesColdCaseSquad/index.htm
MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #3
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Sorry I took me so long I pasted the URL wrong.http://www.kcmo.org/police/Crime/SexCrimes/SexCrimesColdCaseSquad/index.htm
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/11/does_burrell_mohlers_raping_fa.php
I found this from a few weeks back. Check out Skippy's post on 11/17. There's a few other interesting ones.
Soulmagent--I have a question. I looked at the link and maybe I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Is the Mohler case or a related one listed here? Thanks.
I found this from a few weeks back. Check out Skippy's post on 11/17. There's a few other interesting ones.
Soulmagent--I have a question. I looked at the link and maybe I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Is the Mohler case or a related one listed here? Thanks.
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There are some great posts on this blog--thank you!
I just noticed that this forum begins with the comment:
"Reader Rachel responds to Burrell Mohler Sr. and His 4 Sons Accused of Serial Child Rape, Forcing Sex with Dog. She suspects there's a long back story to this case."
IIRC, the name of the lone young family member who spoke to reporters at a recent hearing had this same name with this spelling.
"Reader Rachel responds to Burrell Mohler Sr. and His 4 Sons Accused of Serial Child Rape, Forcing Sex with Dog. She suspects there's a long back story to this case."
IIRC, the name of the lone young family member who spoke to reporters at a recent hearing had this same name with this spelling.
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Since things are quiet, I've been digging into possible connections to the "he flips a ring in the air" after killing someone. That stuck with me for some reason, and the only thing I've found will be spurious to many...but here goes. Here is the original source of that:
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-mohler-murder-accusations-112509,0,1100498.story
"Another granddaughter told detectives that the murders happened near the Missouri River and that her father, Burrell "Ed" Mohler Jr. would flip a ring in the air whenever she witnessed a killing."
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula10Bchap.shtml
To empower the Monarch System, special rings which have been dipped in the blood of sacrificed victims, are given to the victim with instructions to wear it faithfully. The rings are used as focal points to insure the continued demonization of the victim. Some examples of this would be a Blue Topaz ring, a Black Onyx ring, or a Diamond ring. Black Onyx is used to capture souls. Whether the therapist believes this or not, becomes irrelevant in view of the fact that the deeper alters in a Monarch System are skilled in demonology and they do believe it, and take consolation that their magical powers are never challenged by therapists. These deeper alters will continue to do much of the demonization of the system for the Programmer, and this delegation of this job, means the Programmer/handler is free to focus on other things.
Our experience is that the Slave Masters within the Illuminati, when they take away the hearts of the alters of a system, they give them a heart of stone and a ring. The ring is important for if they lose this, they think they will not get their hearts back. The slaves will wake up in the middle of the night looking for a ring--but never knowing what ring they are looking for. “CATCH A FALLING STAR, PUT IT IN YOUR POCKET FOR A RAINY DAY” ties in with this story line. The star is magical stardust. During programming the Programmers use “magical star dust.” If the slave loses their ring, they are told the Master will never love them. When the Master comes to give his love, then the slave will get to use their magical wand with its star dust. The ring of the Programmer, which has occult power from being used in ritual, is also used as a hypnotic cue. The ring also represents occult power and authority.
+ just found this further down the page:
This is why Joseph Smith, Jr. who was from an important generational occult bloodline which has generational programmed MPDs, did magic to elemental spirits when he was looking for jewels and gold as a young man.
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-mohler-murder-accusations-112509,0,1100498.story
"Another granddaughter told detectives that the murders happened near the Missouri River and that her father, Burrell "Ed" Mohler Jr. would flip a ring in the air whenever she witnessed a killing."
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula10Bchap.shtml
To empower the Monarch System, special rings which have been dipped in the blood of sacrificed victims, are given to the victim with instructions to wear it faithfully. The rings are used as focal points to insure the continued demonization of the victim. Some examples of this would be a Blue Topaz ring, a Black Onyx ring, or a Diamond ring. Black Onyx is used to capture souls. Whether the therapist believes this or not, becomes irrelevant in view of the fact that the deeper alters in a Monarch System are skilled in demonology and they do believe it, and take consolation that their magical powers are never challenged by therapists. These deeper alters will continue to do much of the demonization of the system for the Programmer, and this delegation of this job, means the Programmer/handler is free to focus on other things.
Our experience is that the Slave Masters within the Illuminati, when they take away the hearts of the alters of a system, they give them a heart of stone and a ring. The ring is important for if they lose this, they think they will not get their hearts back. The slaves will wake up in the middle of the night looking for a ring--but never knowing what ring they are looking for. “CATCH A FALLING STAR, PUT IT IN YOUR POCKET FOR A RAINY DAY” ties in with this story line. The star is magical stardust. During programming the Programmers use “magical star dust.” If the slave loses their ring, they are told the Master will never love them. When the Master comes to give his love, then the slave will get to use their magical wand with its star dust. The ring of the Programmer, which has occult power from being used in ritual, is also used as a hypnotic cue. The ring also represents occult power and authority.
+ just found this further down the page:
This is why Joseph Smith, Jr. who was from an important generational occult bloodline which has generational programmed MPDs, did magic to elemental spirits when he was looking for jewels and gold as a young man.
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Dang, another cold shivver down my back and I'm almost afraid to read this stuff Missizzy! Does it affect anyone else that way?
Wintergreen--You can thank IWannaKnow for that shiver--not me. I agree, though, that it is indeed chilling. Way back on an earlier thread, I posted some links to information about the occult beliefs of Joseph Smith and the history of treasure seeking:
http://earlymormon.com/TopicalGuide.pdf
I think I was trying to locate info on the origin of the jar idea. I did find an article about the Journal Jars but found the stuff on treasure seeking at the same time.
There is also is intriguing book, "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View",written by a practicing member of the LDS church concerning the history of the occult and treasure hunting of the early Mormons. I found this quote on Amazon interesting:
"Among the practices no longer a part of Mormonism are the use of divining rods for revelation, astrology to determine the best times to conceive children and plant crops, the study of skull contours to understand personality traits, magic formulae utilized to discover lost property, and the wearing of protective talismans."
The reviews (there's lots of them) make for interesting reading too.
And then there's the Mormon Alliance. I can't quite wrap my mind around this site. It both exposes and denounces ritual abuse. It's interesting that a lot of the info was written around the time of 1985-90. This is at the end of the time of the Satanic "hysteria" (I'm still not convinced it was all hysteria) but also when the Mohler children were allegedly abused. I can only read that huge site for a short while before getting sick as there's lots of disturbing information there. So many people are yelling and screaming about the lack o believability in this case. It is strange and far-fetched. No one could deny that. But look at this quote:
http://mormonalliance.org/casereports/volume1/part1/v1p1c06.htm
"In addition to all combinations of sexual intercourse; genital, anal, and oral; between child and adult (male or female) and child and child (forced), victims are penetrated genitally or rectally with all kinds of objects, and are forced to submit to sexual activity with animals.
[They] are tortured in many ways. They are shocked, drugged, burned, beaten, cut, buried alive until consciousness is lost, covered with insects, locked in a freezer until unconscious, hung upside down, chained, carved upon, and made to ingest vile matter, including blood, urine, and feces....
They are forced to participate in all of the crimes, including sacrifice of animals (which may be the children's own pets); the torture and sometimes murder of babies, including in some cases the infants of young girls required to bear children specifically for sacrifice; the torture and sometimes murder of adults; and the systematic disposal of bodies. Some victims have been forced to choose which person will be the next sacrifice, sometimes having to choose between one of their own siblings and another, or one baby and another. The victims are repeatedly told that they are bad or evil, that it is their fault the dog or baby has to die, that no one will ever love them or believe them if they report any of the activities of the cult."
My note: You'll notice that the Mohler disclosure follow this "playbook" almost to the letter. Remember the forced anal penetrations, the bestiality, the babies, the murders? In the book about Jeffrey Lundgren, the RLDS cult leader and killer (executed in Ohio in 2006), there is a lot of testimony concerning his fascination with feces (sorry, but it's in there), bondage, mind control, twisted sexual paraphilias, and intimidation of others.
and this:
"Mattis and Bell describe the "dual socialization" forced on these children, so that "outwardly they have the social values of the community" but are secretly taught an inverted set of values: "pain is good, torture is good, lying for the cause is righteous, human life is a cheap commodity, and so forth".
The victims are programmed to dissociate, so that they do not recognize or remember parts of their own experience or personality. They are trained to deny accusations, tell conflicting stories, retract their own reports, hurt themselves, or even try to commit suicide if they begin to tell."
http://earlymormon.com/TopicalGuide.pdf
I think I was trying to locate info on the origin of the jar idea. I did find an article about the Journal Jars but found the stuff on treasure seeking at the same time.
There is also is intriguing book, "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View",written by a practicing member of the LDS church concerning the history of the occult and treasure hunting of the early Mormons. I found this quote on Amazon interesting:
"Among the practices no longer a part of Mormonism are the use of divining rods for revelation, astrology to determine the best times to conceive children and plant crops, the study of skull contours to understand personality traits, magic formulae utilized to discover lost property, and the wearing of protective talismans."
The reviews (there's lots of them) make for interesting reading too.
And then there's the Mormon Alliance. I can't quite wrap my mind around this site. It both exposes and denounces ritual abuse. It's interesting that a lot of the info was written around the time of 1985-90. This is at the end of the time of the Satanic "hysteria" (I'm still not convinced it was all hysteria) but also when the Mohler children were allegedly abused. I can only read that huge site for a short while before getting sick as there's lots of disturbing information there. So many people are yelling and screaming about the lack o believability in this case. It is strange and far-fetched. No one could deny that. But look at this quote:
http://mormonalliance.org/casereports/volume1/part1/v1p1c06.htm
"In addition to all combinations of sexual intercourse; genital, anal, and oral; between child and adult (male or female) and child and child (forced), victims are penetrated genitally or rectally with all kinds of objects, and are forced to submit to sexual activity with animals.
[They] are tortured in many ways. They are shocked, drugged, burned, beaten, cut, buried alive until consciousness is lost, covered with insects, locked in a freezer until unconscious, hung upside down, chained, carved upon, and made to ingest vile matter, including blood, urine, and feces....
They are forced to participate in all of the crimes, including sacrifice of animals (which may be the children's own pets); the torture and sometimes murder of babies, including in some cases the infants of young girls required to bear children specifically for sacrifice; the torture and sometimes murder of adults; and the systematic disposal of bodies. Some victims have been forced to choose which person will be the next sacrifice, sometimes having to choose between one of their own siblings and another, or one baby and another. The victims are repeatedly told that they are bad or evil, that it is their fault the dog or baby has to die, that no one will ever love them or believe them if they report any of the activities of the cult."
My note: You'll notice that the Mohler disclosure follow this "playbook" almost to the letter. Remember the forced anal penetrations, the bestiality, the babies, the murders? In the book about Jeffrey Lundgren, the RLDS cult leader and killer (executed in Ohio in 2006), there is a lot of testimony concerning his fascination with feces (sorry, but it's in there), bondage, mind control, twisted sexual paraphilias, and intimidation of others.
and this:
"Mattis and Bell describe the "dual socialization" forced on these children, so that "outwardly they have the social values of the community" but are secretly taught an inverted set of values: "pain is good, torture is good, lying for the cause is righteous, human life is a cheap commodity, and so forth".
The victims are programmed to dissociate, so that they do not recognize or remember parts of their own experience or personality. They are trained to deny accusations, tell conflicting stories, retract their own reports, hurt themselves, or even try to commit suicide if they begin to tell."
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-History-of-the-CTR-Ring&id=1465840
So, rings. Sometimes it just amazes me how long you can look for something when it is right in front of your nose. I just googled "Mormon rings" and learned all about the history and significance of the ring within this faith. I'd never heard of this before. The "Prophet" Joseph Smith was known to wear a finger ring and it became a symbol of his eternal nature. One can purchase replicas of his ring. It's interesting to note that the CTR ("Choose the Right") ring, discussed below, however, have only been popular for the last 50 years.
"In 1970, then apostle of the church Gordon B. Hinckley, officially announced the new "CTR" material in a church-wide conference as part of a program for six and seven-year-old children. In conjunction with the new program, each child was to be issued a new, CTR ring and also be taught its symbolic meaning. At the time of its release, the adjustable CTR ring made of a combination of nickel and platinum was sold for only 35 cents. Since then, the symbol and its meaning have been taught to the LDS primary-aged youth of the worldwide church."
All sorts of sites exist where one can purchase these rings. They range in price and many other symbolic jewelry items are available. CTR stands for "Choose the Right", RWH stands for "Return with Honor", ETTE stands for "Enduring to the End" N-oiz is Zion spelled backward. Here's just one of many sites I found:
http://www.latterdaystore.com/
I'v been a Christian for most of my 55 years, thus I embrace a belief system that many find suspect. If I take communion, I fully realize that I am espousing the belief of drinking the symbolic blood of Christ. I grew up within this faith so these beliefs were normalized for me. I've chosen as an adult to stay firm in my faith. My world view originates from that faith.
I've lived in communities where there are active Mormon churches and have sat on non-profit boards with people who are Mormon. We've had Mormon neighbors and friends. I'd always made the assumption that they were just another variety of Christians....like the Methodists or Lutherans. Interestingly enough, the words "Forever, always" are engraved inside the gold wedding band I've never taken off in 37 years. When my husband and I married at age 18, I had a Mormon co-worker. She knew that I was writing my own wedding vows and introduced me to the idea of marriage being "for time and all eternity". I added it to my vows as I loved the sound of being with my beloved for eternity. I'll never forget the Baptist minister raising his eyebrows over that. So, I think I've been open to the concept of the Mormon faith.
I had not, however, done much research into the history and rituals of the Mormon church. This case (and the recent FLDS case in Texas) has caused me to read and research extensively and I have to say that I find very much of what I've learned to be "off-putting" and strangely ludicrous. With almost every religion I've studied or been exposed to, I've grasped what the "pull" was for people. All religions, obviously, require a good deal of faith and belief in the unknown. I'm just left shaking my head at the rings, the tablets, the treasure seeking, the convenient (my words) prophecies. I often find myself thinking of secret societies, fraternities, and middle school "secret code word" clubs instead of a world-wide highly respected religion. I don't get it. Please, I mean no offense to anyone at all. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something. JMO
So, rings. Sometimes it just amazes me how long you can look for something when it is right in front of your nose. I just googled "Mormon rings" and learned all about the history and significance of the ring within this faith. I'd never heard of this before. The "Prophet" Joseph Smith was known to wear a finger ring and it became a symbol of his eternal nature. One can purchase replicas of his ring. It's interesting to note that the CTR ("Choose the Right") ring, discussed below, however, have only been popular for the last 50 years.
"In 1970, then apostle of the church Gordon B. Hinckley, officially announced the new "CTR" material in a church-wide conference as part of a program for six and seven-year-old children. In conjunction with the new program, each child was to be issued a new, CTR ring and also be taught its symbolic meaning. At the time of its release, the adjustable CTR ring made of a combination of nickel and platinum was sold for only 35 cents. Since then, the symbol and its meaning have been taught to the LDS primary-aged youth of the worldwide church."
All sorts of sites exist where one can purchase these rings. They range in price and many other symbolic jewelry items are available. CTR stands for "Choose the Right", RWH stands for "Return with Honor", ETTE stands for "Enduring to the End" N-oiz is Zion spelled backward. Here's just one of many sites I found:
http://www.latterdaystore.com/
I'v been a Christian for most of my 55 years, thus I embrace a belief system that many find suspect. If I take communion, I fully realize that I am espousing the belief of drinking the symbolic blood of Christ. I grew up within this faith so these beliefs were normalized for me. I've chosen as an adult to stay firm in my faith. My world view originates from that faith.
I've lived in communities where there are active Mormon churches and have sat on non-profit boards with people who are Mormon. We've had Mormon neighbors and friends. I'd always made the assumption that they were just another variety of Christians....like the Methodists or Lutherans. Interestingly enough, the words "Forever, always" are engraved inside the gold wedding band I've never taken off in 37 years. When my husband and I married at age 18, I had a Mormon co-worker. She knew that I was writing my own wedding vows and introduced me to the idea of marriage being "for time and all eternity". I added it to my vows as I loved the sound of being with my beloved for eternity. I'll never forget the Baptist minister raising his eyebrows over that. So, I think I've been open to the concept of the Mormon faith.
I had not, however, done much research into the history and rituals of the Mormon church. This case (and the recent FLDS case in Texas) has caused me to read and research extensively and I have to say that I find very much of what I've learned to be "off-putting" and strangely ludicrous. With almost every religion I've studied or been exposed to, I've grasped what the "pull" was for people. All religions, obviously, require a good deal of faith and belief in the unknown. I'm just left shaking my head at the rings, the tablets, the treasure seeking, the convenient (my words) prophecies. I often find myself thinking of secret societies, fraternities, and middle school "secret code word" clubs instead of a world-wide highly respected religion. I don't get it. Please, I mean no offense to anyone at all. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something. JMO
Another snip from an interesting post by "Former Friend of Victims" over on:
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/11/does_burrell_mohlers_raping_fa.php#comments
12/01/09
"I remember when they moved away from Indep. in 1995. The "reason" was they had decided that the public school system was a bad influence. The incident that precipitated that idea was that the second oldest daughter E. was asked to the Homecoming dance and her parents wouldn't let her go because she was a freshman and they thought she was too young. She threw a horrible fit and they decided that she was being badly influenced by the secular world. Knowing what I know now I wonder if her father saw her behavior as a threat to the way of life he and his brothers and father had established. Maybe he wanted to move them away to enforce further control over all of them. They did move to Bates City after that."
Somebody help me out here as I'm confused. This "friend" is saying that the Mohler children lived in and went to public school in Independence until they moved to Bates City in 1995. Does that jive with our timeline (which I can't find...it was by jjj)? I know that Burrell Sr. sold the Bates City farmhouse to Burrell Jr. at some point. Was it 1995? So the children were moved to the very farm where they allegedly had been abused during the summers? This post suggests that the parents were displeased with the influence of public school. Does this mean that the children were home-schooled or placed in a parochial school after 1995? I hadn't seen reference to that before.
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/11/does_burrell_mohlers_raping_fa.php#comments
12/01/09
"I remember when they moved away from Indep. in 1995. The "reason" was they had decided that the public school system was a bad influence. The incident that precipitated that idea was that the second oldest daughter E. was asked to the Homecoming dance and her parents wouldn't let her go because she was a freshman and they thought she was too young. She threw a horrible fit and they decided that she was being badly influenced by the secular world. Knowing what I know now I wonder if her father saw her behavior as a threat to the way of life he and his brothers and father had established. Maybe he wanted to move them away to enforce further control over all of them. They did move to Bates City after that."
Somebody help me out here as I'm confused. This "friend" is saying that the Mohler children lived in and went to public school in Independence until they moved to Bates City in 1995. Does that jive with our timeline (which I can't find...it was by jjj)? I know that Burrell Sr. sold the Bates City farmhouse to Burrell Jr. at some point. Was it 1995? So the children were moved to the very farm where they allegedly had been abused during the summers? This post suggests that the parents were displeased with the influence of public school. Does this mean that the children were home-schooled or placed in a parochial school after 1995? I hadn't seen reference to that before.
I found jjj's helpful timeline and she does list the farm house as being sold to Burrell Jr. and his family in 1995. I wonder if the two families switched places as Burrell Sr. went to live in Independence? That's where he was arrested from, IIRC.
There was an interesting comment by a friend on one of the comment pages linked above which referred to visiting at the house while it was still under construction. I find it odd that a person who would have been as a young boy at the time can remember details about the construction--especially the crawlspace under a house, 20 years later. Maybe...but odd. Possibly, he grew up to be a contractor.
I also noted that jjj listed the "gypsy van rapes" as happening in 1987. I thought that we had confirmation from a couple of news sources (but no documents at all) that those had occurred sometime in 1989. Correct me if I'm wrong. jjj was an incredible resource and seemed to have an inside view of the family. I've wondered if she could be a victim or a relative. I wish she'd come back.
I don't believe, for a single second, that the Mohler children are the only ones touched by this horror. I think there are others and we must shine the light on the abusers. The victims deserve to walk free from their pain.
There was an interesting comment by a friend on one of the comment pages linked above which referred to visiting at the house while it was still under construction. I find it odd that a person who would have been as a young boy at the time can remember details about the construction--especially the crawlspace under a house, 20 years later. Maybe...but odd. Possibly, he grew up to be a contractor.
I also noted that jjj listed the "gypsy van rapes" as happening in 1987. I thought that we had confirmation from a couple of news sources (but no documents at all) that those had occurred sometime in 1989. Correct me if I'm wrong. jjj was an incredible resource and seemed to have an inside view of the family. I've wondered if she could be a victim or a relative. I wish she'd come back.
I don't believe, for a single second, that the Mohler children are the only ones touched by this horror. I think there are others and we must shine the light on the abusers. The victims deserve to walk free from their pain.
Why are we getting almost no comments by friends and church family members from the years in question? If the family lived in Independence and the kids attended public school and the family attended the church, why have so few people stepped forward to either stand up for the vicitms or the accused?
Where are the playmates, the babysitters, the co-workers, the teachers, the neighbors?I find this very perplexing. It's almost like it's all frozen in time and no one wants to resurrect the past. That's not healthy. If people don't drag it out from the shadows, it will happen again and again.
Where are the playmates, the babysitters, the co-workers, the teachers, the neighbors?I find this very perplexing. It's almost like it's all frozen in time and no one wants to resurrect the past. That's not healthy. If people don't drag it out from the shadows, it will happen again and again.
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I think it's part of the culture - generations not speaking of 'trouble'....and the reporter may have taken it out of context, but when the Comm.of Christ Church had their vigil after the Mohlers were arrested, this stuck in my head --
Pastor Brad Speaks said that prayer can help heal everyone.
When the community is hurting, Speaks said. We believe that God will speak to us through silence and through prayer."
Some in attendance said they knew one or more of the Mohlers. Others said they just wanted to pray for all involved.
It's a terrible tragedy for the offender family as well as, especially for the victim's family, and certainly they need prayer, said church member Diane Kyser.
It's been my own experience that the church's solution is 'prayer' - but not actually doing anything to confront serious issues.
I stopped going after it happened to me.
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http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula2chap.shtml
"Joseph Mengele, aka Dr. Green, was skilled at using German shepherd dogs to attack people. Mengele got a reputation in the Nazi concentration camps for using German shepherds, before he was brought over to America. He used dogs to help program American children. (The Process Church often uses German Shepherds too.) He was also skilled in abortions"
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Dunno what I think about all this......but adding to the soup.
"Joseph Mengele, aka Dr. Green, was skilled at using German shepherd dogs to attack people. Mengele got a reputation in the Nazi concentration camps for using German shepherds, before he was brought over to America. He used dogs to help program American children. (The Process Church often uses German Shepherds too.) He was also skilled in abortions"
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Dunno what I think about all this......but adding to the soup.
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I don't think you're missing anything--you are looking objectively at some things that are not reasonable and you're just being honest about how you see them! I also think its beautiful that you saw something good in another faith and adopted it to your own life without feeling that you had to adopt everything that faith taught. No church or institution has a market on eternity--what a sweet story about your wedding!
IWannaKnow--That's spine-chilling stuff. I never know what to think when I read this stuff. It is so outrageous but I know there's truth in it also. It isn't up to me to decide what to believe, however. I can't "believe" a man would have sex with an infant or a boy would mutilate a cat but it happens every day. I've been forced to expand my acceptance of what is real.
Human beings do evil things to the most vulnerable. I guess the part I just don't understand is how long it's taking to shine the light on these crimes. I guess this could be compared to clergy abuse. A child in the 1940s would have had no hope that his victimization would ever come to light or his abuser be convicted. Well, that's now happening. Maybe mind control and ritual abuse will have the same exposure. We can hope.
Texas Mist--You amaze me at your ability to read something and see something so obvious but so easily overlooked. Silence, hmmm. Just what we do NOT want here.
Concerning the dogs...Randy Leach, who disappeared in April 1988 had a German Shepherd who went missing four months later.
Human beings do evil things to the most vulnerable. I guess the part I just don't understand is how long it's taking to shine the light on these crimes. I guess this could be compared to clergy abuse. A child in the 1940s would have had no hope that his victimization would ever come to light or his abuser be convicted. Well, that's now happening. Maybe mind control and ritual abuse will have the same exposure. We can hope.
Texas Mist--You amaze me at your ability to read something and see something so obvious but so easily overlooked. Silence, hmmm. Just what we do NOT want here.
Concerning the dogs...Randy Leach, who disappeared in April 1988 had a German Shepherd who went missing four months later.
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IWannaKnow--I, for one, have had to toughen up a bit just to read some of the things you have found, but it is good. How will this ever stop if we don't face it? I try to follow some other blogs but get so worn out with the fighting and bullying. None of that goes on here and I feel lucky to have found a place where people are actually exchanging information and trying to reason with each other rather than fighting. This kind of abuse is overwhelming at times but I want to see good come from this. Thank you for the information and links!
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TexasMist--You are so right about silence. That's where predators find safety is by buying or coercing the silence of their victims, but it is also where they find safety among their peers who look the other way. It is inexcusable IMHO. These are children being harmed-- they are defenseless! No more hiding behind some distant time in the future when God will sort it all out. No more silence.
Just a random thought. I have many, come to think of it. The comment has come up before that it seems as if the internet has been "scrubbed" of info concerning the Mohler victims. I've tried to be respectful and to not spend much time trying to find out the victims' names.
However, I've spent a lot of time in the last month reading about this case and I haven't stumbled over more than a couple of vague or possible references to any Mohler children. How is it that when you search for parents' names and past histories, their children's and grandchildren's names don't occasionally pop up? How is it that engagement, marriage and birth announcements and obituaries seem to be few and far between for this family? These kids were in school in Independence, MO in the mid 90's and the families have been active at large churches with an internet presence. Why so little record of these people?
Either I'm a really poor sleuther or someone has helped this family "scrub" the internet. Any fifth grader could figure out who my kids are with just a couple of hints. Not that I want them too, mind you.
And a few months ago, our family was horrified to discover that our children's rapist was listed on Zabasearch as living at a dear family friend's address. This friend happens to share a similar (not exact, at all) name with the rapist. The rapist did live in the same town 11 years ago but has been locked up for ten years. Our friend was mortified when I let him know about this and he immediately contacted the CEO of Zabasearch and then had his attorney send a follow-up letter when nothing changed. I just checked and it's still incorrect. My point is that it's not a walk in the park to remove your name from sites. How did these victims manage to do this? Or are they being helped by powers greater than you and me for their own safety?
However, I've spent a lot of time in the last month reading about this case and I haven't stumbled over more than a couple of vague or possible references to any Mohler children. How is it that when you search for parents' names and past histories, their children's and grandchildren's names don't occasionally pop up? How is it that engagement, marriage and birth announcements and obituaries seem to be few and far between for this family? These kids were in school in Independence, MO in the mid 90's and the families have been active at large churches with an internet presence. Why so little record of these people?
Either I'm a really poor sleuther or someone has helped this family "scrub" the internet. Any fifth grader could figure out who my kids are with just a couple of hints. Not that I want them too, mind you.
And a few months ago, our family was horrified to discover that our children's rapist was listed on Zabasearch as living at a dear family friend's address. This friend happens to share a similar (not exact, at all) name with the rapist. The rapist did live in the same town 11 years ago but has been locked up for ten years. Our friend was mortified when I let him know about this and he immediately contacted the CEO of Zabasearch and then had his attorney send a follow-up letter when nothing changed. I just checked and it's still incorrect. My point is that it's not a walk in the park to remove your name from sites. How did these victims manage to do this? Or are they being helped by powers greater than you and me for their own safety?
Just sayin'..........
Check out the book, "Hell Minus One" by Anne A. Johnson Davis on Amazon and read the reviews. Also, check out this site:
http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/survivor-stories/interview-with-the-author-of-hell-minus-one/
I find these quotes particularly interesting:
"Those letters were responded to with handwritten confessions from the perpetrators, who were my own mother and stepfather. Also, my half-siblings sent letters to authorities that validated my abuse allegations as true. Two detectives from the [ETA Utah] Attorney General’s Office subsequently obtained from the perpetrators verbal confessions admitting to their handwritten confessions."
and
".......my parents had already written confession letters, confessed to detectives from the Utah Attorney General’s Office, and were excommunicated from their church. Something deep inside warned me that it would have resulted in a media explosion that would have torn my little family and me apart."
Please let me know if anyone has any more info on this book and/or story. Has it been discounted? Has it been upheld as truth? If you read carefully, there's a lot of correlation with our current disclosures in Missouri.
I also wanted to add that Ms. Davis has her own website:
http://www.hellminus1.com/
Check out the book, "Hell Minus One" by Anne A. Johnson Davis on Amazon and read the reviews. Also, check out this site:
http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/survivor-stories/interview-with-the-author-of-hell-minus-one/
I find these quotes particularly interesting:
"Those letters were responded to with handwritten confessions from the perpetrators, who were my own mother and stepfather. Also, my half-siblings sent letters to authorities that validated my abuse allegations as true. Two detectives from the [ETA Utah] Attorney General’s Office subsequently obtained from the perpetrators verbal confessions admitting to their handwritten confessions."
and
".......my parents had already written confession letters, confessed to detectives from the Utah Attorney General’s Office, and were excommunicated from their church. Something deep inside warned me that it would have resulted in a media explosion that would have torn my little family and me apart."
Please let me know if anyone has any more info on this book and/or story. Has it been discounted? Has it been upheld as truth? If you read carefully, there's a lot of correlation with our current disclosures in Missouri.
I also wanted to add that Ms. Davis has her own website:
http://www.hellminus1.com/
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