MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #3

[luvbeaches]

luvbeaches--That's pretty priceless. A man who's truly sick doesn't usually have time to respond to reporters. I don't know if they've mentioned the option to Darrel but most jails allow a sort of lightweight walker. That might be helpful. Nice to see that he's still got some genuine Christian spirit.

I have to ask if anyone saw the photos of the two women standing by the court room doors? The lady on the left is one of the men's daughters or wives, IIRC. I've seen her photo on Facebook. So, I guess they're standing by their men even if they might not be contributing funds.

It was priceless. To me, this action speaks volumes when it comes to this man. A Christian? Right. Flipping the reporters off. A walker is a good idea, or if he's really that sick, which it would appear he's not, they could do a video appearance from the jail for him. From what I've read, the doc's have said that there's no indication that he needs oxygen, so he's just using this as an excuse to get out of jail. I haven't seen anything else on the news since I saw this initial report, but I hope the judge shoots Darrel the bird. I know that won't happen, but it would be funny.

The women that stand behind these men should also face charges if they knew these things were going on. Even if that happened before they came along, I don't understand why they are still there. I'd be gone.

I went to many of Edwin Hall hearings (he killed Kelsey Smith). I always looked for Edwin's wife and she was always there. She was dolled-up and yakking away as if she was at a party. It was strange. It was even more appalling when the evidence against Hall came out at one of the hearings. What was supposed to be a hearing, turned into a hearing where Hall pled guilty and part of the agreement was that the DA read off the list of evidence and what happened that night. There's no way in h#ll that she didn't know her husband killed Kelsey. No way. And yet she still showed up at these hearings dressed and acting like she was at a tea party. I would have taken my child and fled. But she didn't. Strange stuff. Same thing with these women supporting the Mohler's. I hope there's a special ring in h#ll for all the people involved in this.

 

[Missizzy]

I find this a bit odd. Check out the two comments by a woman with the name Rachel for Blue Springs, MO on this page:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/T65QIEIP03IRB28NP

There was a Rachel at the courthouse for one of the appearances.

 

[Texas Mist]

Time Running Out for Roland Mohler's Search for Lawyer



John Pepitone, edited by Jason Vaughn

December 29, 2009


LEXINGTON, MO - Roland Mohler, one of six Mohler men accused of sex crimes against children, is still without a lawyer, but a judge told him on Tuesday that time is running out and evidence will soon be presented in the case.

....

Judge John Frerking says that he doesn't want to proceed in the case until all of the suspects in the case have legal representation. But time may be running out on Roland Mohler, the only one of the Mohler men without a lawyer.

....


Roland Mohler is scheduled to be back in court on January 12th.

more here, including news video saying judge will set date for preliminary hearing the next time all the accused are back in court.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-roland-mohler-court-122909,0,3881556.story


from Dec. 2, 2009 report:

In court on Wednesday, Jared Mohler waived his right to a preliminary hearing, so the judge set a January 4 arraignment date.

Sounds like Jared is skipping the prelim where the evidence will be discussed (unless this has changed) -- and I still wonder why an attorney or client would do this. :waitasec:


ETA: As far as I can tell, David is the only one who has posted bond & is out of jail at this time.

 

[Missizzy]

Explain to me please, how Roland could still be without an attorney. He had a good job, EMT, and owns property. I know the judge allowed him to confer with his wife for 2 hours a couple of weeks ago about the possible sale of some property. If, she's unwilling to part with the property and he's now without a job, wouldn't he be a shoe in for a public defender? His extended family vowed to stand behind him. Are absolutely none of them offering any funds? I find it odd that Roland is not getting any help from family as it seems that a lot of them show up at his hearings. What gives?

How about Darrel from Florida? I thought his new wife's funds counted as income for him and so he didn't qualify for a PD either. What became of that? His bail/bond was lowered to a measley $4000 but he has to be back in court within 2 weeks. Does he have representation?

Can anyone remember a case where representation was such a major issue?

We're not treading in dangerous water, are we? I'm very afraid that something, anything will taint this case.

 

[Texas Mist]

I dug thru the online docket info tonite & rounded up some info - it's at least as current as what I found online at Missouri's casenet.


Who currently has attorneys & some info on their attorneys:

Sr.

BENJAMIN, KIMBERLY
2305 N 291 Highway
P. O. Box 698
HARRISONVILLE, MO 64701
Business: (816) 380-8008

Areas of Practice

* Adoption
* Child Support
* 40% Criminal Law
* 40% DUI/DWI
* Divorce
* 20% Family Law
* Motor Vehicle Accidents -- Plaintiff
* Personal Injury
* Personal Injury -- Plaintiff
* Federal and State Law
* Traffic Violations
* White Collar Crimes

Litigation Percentage

* 100% of Practice Devoted to Litigation

http://www.thebenjaminlawfirm.com/D...d=1878476_1&mailpagename=ObfuscatedForm&p=yes


David

JONES , GEORGE B , Attorney-Pro Hac Vice
PO BOX 36
117 S LINDEN STREET
LAMONI, IA 50140

George Jones | Attorney at Law, Greenwood & Jones - Lamoni, Iowa |

George Jones has practiced law since 1986 as a prosecutor, chief judge of Poarch Creek Native American Indian Appellate Court, and law professor. Currently, he is a sole practitioner in Lamoni, Iowa, with the majority of his practice devoted to criminal defense. He is an adjunct professor at Graceland University, teaching courses in Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure, and Criminal Justice. Jones also holds a Master of Arts degree from University of Denver, Graduate School of International Studies and has studied self-help human development at The International Institute for Rural Reconstruction, near Manila, Philippines. Jones is fluent in Spanish. For the Graceland University’s programs in Nicaragua, he was both faculty and translator for student groups studying human development methodology and poverty eradication programs. His volunteer work has taken him to Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and Mexico.

http://www.uscenterforcitizendiplomacy.org/about-us/board-of-directors/board-members/index.php


George Jones practices law in Lamoni, Iowa, with the majority of his practice devoted to
criminal defense. He is an adjunct professor at Graceland University, teaching courses in
Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure, Criminal Justice. Mr. Jones also has extensive
experience at the leadership level for the Community of Christ

www.legis.state.ia.us/lsadocs/IntComHand/2007/IHPAF004.PDF




Jared

LARIMORE , TIM A
ATTORNEY AT LAW
2021 S MAIN
P O BOX 483
HIGGINSVILLE, MO 64037
Business: (660) 584-6600

Former Lafayette County prosecutor

http://www.lafayettecountymo.com/sitesections/branches/prosecuting-attorney/default.aspx

We specialize in Accidents.

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Higginsville-MO/Tim-A-Larimore-L0141799177.htm


Darrel

HENSLEY , KENNETH C
401 WEST 58 HIGHWAY
PO BOX 620
RAYMORE, MO 64083-3002
Business: (816) 322-4466

Biography:
Associate Professor, Business Law, William Jewell College, Liberty, Missouri, 1981—. Assistant Prosecutor, Clay County, Missouri, 1980-1981; 1984-1985. Special Prosecutor, Caldwell County. Special Prosecutor, Livingston County, 1984. Member, Missouri Public Defender Commission. Fellow: Missouri Bar Foundation.

http://www.hensleylawfirm.net/Firm Info/Lawyers/1039152.aspx


Who does *not* have an attorney shown in casenet:

Jr. -- no attorney name found altho judge appointed public defender (and IIRC, also stated that he believed this could change at the next hearing, as well as fox4kc reporting that Roland was the only one w/o an atty)

Roland -- no attorney name found


Here's their next court dates:

Jared

MONDAY, JANUARY 4, 2010 -- DENNIS ALLEN ROLF -- 10:00 AM -- Arraignment
Event Text:Pending Motion for Bond Reduction *


* related to this earlier filing --

11/16/2009 Docket Entry: Motion for Bond Reduction
Text: Application for Reduction of Bond or Alternatively Ten Percent 10% Posting of Bond filed.


Darrel

Docket Entry: Arraignment Scheduled
Associated Events: 01/04/2010 , 11:00:00 - Arraignment
Judge DENNIS ALLEN ROLF


Both Jared & Darrel have waived their preliminary hearings



Sr, Jr. & David

Associated Events: 01/12/2010 , 11:00:00 - Hearing *
Judge JOHN E FRERKING

(* from what I can tell, this hearing will be their preliminary hearing so Jr. must have an attorney at least for this hearing, right?)


Roland

Docket Entry: Counsel Status Hrng Scheduled
Associated Events: 01/12/2010 , 11:00:00 - Counsel Status Hearing


Also worth noting is that at their previous hearings:

-- the State Prosecutor requested, and was granted, an additional special condition to their bonding out is "no contact with victims".

-- Darrel specifically had another special condition "MUST SUPPLY THE COURT THROUGH HIS ATTORNEY THE ADDRESS IN WHICH HE WILL BE RESIDING AT IN MISSOURI, AND ALSO TO THE LAFAYETTE COUNTY PROSECUTOR FOR APPROVAL"


I also found it interesting that only Jared's case info showed an attorney had filed for discovery...maybe the online info isn't updated (?)

11/16/2009 Docket Entry: Standard Discovery Filed
Filing Party: LARIMORE , TIM A

 

[Texas Mist]

Explain to me please, how Roland could still be without an attorney. He had a good job, EMT, and owns property. I know the judge allowed him to confer with his wife for 2 hours a couple of weeks ago about the possible sale of some property. If, she's unwilling to part with the property and he's now without a job, wouldn't he be a shoe in for a public defender? His extended family vowed to stand behind him. Are absolutely none of them offering any funds? I find it odd that Roland is not getting any help from family as it seems that a lot of them show up at his hearings. What gives?

How about Darrel from Florida? I thought his new wife's funds counted as income for him and so he didn't qualify for a PD either. What became of that? His bail/bond was lowered to a measley $4000 but he has to be back in court within 2 weeks. Does he have representation?

Can anyone remember a case where representation was such a major issue?

We're not treading in dangerous water, are we? I'm very afraid that something, anything will taint this case.

I don't recall other cases where the representation was drawn out so long either....maybe Roland "the grinner" wants not only free pens & writing pads, but a free attorney.

I also find it odd that we are not hearing about the family & community doing what they can to help...maybe they are & we're just not hearing about it & it's really slow going....I say that because I was reading about the Baptist preacher from Waco who's friends & family held bake sales & took out second mortgages on their homes to raise his bond....his bail was set at $500K...I don't recall that it was a cash bond, but even $50K is a lotta cash to come up with for most folks.

 

[Missizzy]

Texas Mist--That was a lot of work but very helpful. I have to admit that I spit my wine all over my laptop as I was reading through the list and came to the comment, under Jared's attorney, where it says, "We specialize in accidents". Indeed.

It's kind of odd, isn't it, that Darrel must stay in Missouri? He's not allowed to return to his home state. I can't remember that in another case. I guess there's lots of family around, though. Remember he didn't get to Missouri very often so he'll have time to catch up and all.

I too am really confused by the conflicting statements by family--vowing to stand by their men while not contributing a penny, not even for stamps.

It looks like David would have most likely known his attorney given the involvement at Graceland. Given the way the Community of Christ church tried to distance themselves from the men, that choice kind of surprises me.

I guess we'll get a tiny bit more info in the next two weeks. We won't be seeing more documents, though. Will we?

 

[Texas Mist]

Texas Mist--That was a lot of work but very helpful. I have to admit that I spit my wine all over my laptop as I was reading through the list and came to the comment, under Jared's attorney, where it says, "We specialize in accidents". Indeed.

It's kind of odd, isn't it, that Darrel must stay in Missouri? He's not allowed to return to his home state. I can't remember that in another case. I guess there's lots of family around, though. Remember he didn't get to Missouri very often so he'll have time to catch up and all.

I too am really confused by the conflicting statements by family--vowing to stand by their men while not contributing a penny, not even for stamps.

It looks like David would have most likely known his attorney given the involvement at Graceland. Given the way the Community of Christ church tried to distance themselves from the men, that choice kind of surprises me.

I guess we'll get a tiny bit more info in the next two weeks. We won't be seeing more documents, though. Will we?

Darrel has really found himself in a tight spot alright....I understand why they won't let him leave the state -- the point of the bond is to ensure (theoretically) that the accused won't run off.....makes sense that they want him to stick around, IMO....no worries tho, right? There's all those 100 or so family members to stand behind him.

Jared's attorney has a good ad at superpages doesn't he? I couldn't find much on him - it's hard to believe that there are attorneys w/o websites -- but maybe his attorney is so good that word of mouth is all he needs...guess we'll see what happens w/ him....he has at least filed a motion for discovery from the get-go....either no other attorney has done it or casenet is not updated...and oh yeah -- I could have missed seeing it. LOL I guess I have some kind of allergy thing going on today -it's weird - my eyes have watered all day & all night -- a lot, like tears or something - so yeah, I could've missed something.

Regarding what happens if defendant doesn't hire an attorney -- I found this tonite.

5.7 Defendant Who Refuses to Hire Counsel or Sign Waiver

Occasionally, a defendant will appear who fails or refuses to hire an attorney, even though the defendant could afford to do so, and who refuses to waive the right to counsel. In these circumstances, it is proper for the court to hold a hearing to determine whether the defendant is or is not indigent. If the court determines that the defendant is not indigent, a written order or memorandum to that effect should be prepared. If the defendant then fails or refuses to hire an attorney, the court can incarcerate the defendant upon a plea of guilty or a finding of guilty after trial. Extreme caution is advised in a situation such as this, and a defendant who has been found not to be indigent should be given every reasonable opportunity to hire an attorney.

A written waiver of counsel as specified in Section 600.051 RSMo (1994), is not required for a defendant who is not indigent but refuses to hire an attorney. However, before proceeding with the trial of such a defendant, the judge should make sure that the defendant understands the

violation charged, the range of punishment, the advantages of being represented by a lawyer, and the disadvantages of not being represented by a lawyer. A written record should then be made reflecting these things. (See Form 5-01 following this section.)

In State vs. Yardley, 637 S.W.2d 293 (Mo.App.S.D., 1982), at 296 the Court of Appeals stated that Section 600.051, RSMo, which requires written waivers of counsel “does not apply to the action of a defendant in refusing to hire a lawyer.” In the Yardley case the trial court had inquired specifically about the defendant’s financial condition, found him not to be indigent and continued the case several months to give him an opportunity to hire counsel. In State vs. Wilson, 816 S.W.2d 301 (Mo.App.S.D., 1991), at 305, the Court of Appeals agreed that the defendant’s inaction “failure to retain an attorney after being afforded ample opportunity to retain one manifested a decision to represent himself, and the trial court properly found an implied waiver of his right to counsel due to his conduct.” Nevertheless, the Court of Appeals reversed the conviction in the Wilson case (at 308) on the grounds “that the defendant’s implied waiver of counsel was invalid because it was not made knowingly and intelligently.” In order for the implied waiver to be knowingly and intelligently made, there must be something in the record which establishes that the defendant was informed early enough to do something about it of the perils of self-representation and that he would go to trial without an attorney if he did not hire one.

Every judge should always keep in mind that even though every defendant has the right to counsel, a defendant is not entitled to unlimited continuances in order to hire an attorney. A defendant is entitled to no more than a fair opportunity to hire an attorney and adequate time to prepare a defense. The prosecution has the right to proceed after the defendant has had sufficient time. See the discussion of these issues in State vs. Boyd, 842 S.W.2d 899 (Mo.App.S.D., 1992), at 902.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...7f2oCw&usg=AFQjCNG-QQpiRzvZp8g7Hb2xS1_L4A1PKw

I don't know how much more time Roland will be given tho....and you're right, we don't want anything tainting this case.

 

[ohiogirl]

I am thinking that he is just being stubborn in not hiring an attorney. Thinks if he just ignores it he might gain some kind of advantage, or maybe he is thumbing his nose to his accusers.
Police took incest mags titled Family Taboo and Best of Family Secrets, along with hand-labeled videotapes, guns, computers and sex toys.

The find was unfortunate, said Alice’s cousin, Bob Bruch. “But it doesn’t convict him.”

Bruch hired Burrell Mohler Sr. when Bruch ran maintenance at the Community of Christ Auditorium. “He was a good employee. Did what he was told, knew what he was doing and didn’t complain.”

Bruch, who once worshipped with Mohler in Bates City, said he had no doubts about Mohler’s commitment to Christ.

How can you have no doubts about his commitment to Christ after finding incest in his house hidden in the ceiling? Are these people really thinking about what they're saying? Would Christ be OK with the incest ? I know it is not illegal, but come on.

 

[Missizzy]

I asked Jesus and he didn't think the incest was OK at all. I've actually found him to be a pretty laid back guy but he wasn't ready to let that fly. JMO

 

[IWannaKnow]

Happy New Year - peeps! I haven't been around much, but just got caught up. Nice job Texas Mist on the summary of representation. That makes it alot clearer. Thank you.

I asked Jesus and he didn't think the incest was OK at all. I've actually found him to be a pretty laid back guy but he wasn't ready to let that fly. JMO

:spit: - Good one Missizzy! I agree!

I didn't go back to check if this had been posted but I found some interesting information...BBM.
http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-roland-mohler-court-122909,0,3881556.story

Time Running Out for Roland Mohler's Search for Lawyer

""There's a lot of charges here that they have no evidence on," said Gary Hoover, Roland Mohler's uncle. "Only a statement."

Hoover says that the Mohler family is eager to see what evidence prosecutors will present in the case, aside from the statements of the alleged victims in the case.

"Yeah, I'd like to see that evidence," said Hoover. "Cause I've been in this. I know what evidence is and I know what it isn't. If any of it proves not true then to me the whole statement is wrong. And that's the way we go in our society."" ???:waitasec: So what does that mean "I've been in this"???

Comments are fascinating as well, 82 so far....
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/T55S1E81LPUKEC3IL
Comment #10 by Family Friend - Kansas City, MO claims to have already loaned money to the cause since he/she knows the charges are false...:croc:

Check out comment #70 by tired of the hate...!

 

[Missizzy]

Well that was a shock. I wonder if that's what really happened? My research proves that the male sibling is in LE and I just can't buy that he would sell his Dad down the river without there being some horrible memories. You wouldn't do this to a man who failed to pay for your criminology degree or wasn't supportive of your choice of a wife or church you attend.

No, this young man would know the full implications of an arrest and I seriously doubt that he would heed his sisters' wishes unless he was seriously impacted by what happened. I still remember reading the Probable Cause and it was chilling. The male sibling was raped as punishment to his sisters. IMO, that's far worse than raping him for lust. It was done as mind control on other children. That makes the act literally despicable. I so hope he's had access to good therapy. He'll be an asset to LE with his experiences. I know how tough life has been for my sons. My heart goes out to him. I get the sense that he's truly trying to build a strong and healthy life for his family. I guess a good start would be removing the known pedophiles from the family unit. That would go a long way in ensuring safety for the new little ones.

 

[lemonmoussetart]

Well that was a shock. I wonder if that's what really happened? My research proves that the male sibling is in LE and I just can't buy that he would sell his Dad down the river without there being some horrible memories. You wouldn't do this to a man who failed to pay for your criminology degree or wasn't supportive of your choice of a wife or church you attend.

No, this young man would know the full implications of an arrest and I seriously doubt that he would heed his sisters' wishes unless he was seriously impacted by what happened. I still remember reading the Probable Cause and it was chilling. The male sibling was raped as punishment to his sisters. IMO, that's far worse than raping him for lust. It was done as mind control on other children. That makes the act literally despicable. I so hope he's had access to good therapy. He'll be an asset to LE with his experiences. I know how tough life has been for my sons. My heart goes out to him. I get the sense that he's truly trying to build a strong and healthy life for his family. I guess a good start would be removing the known pedophiles from the family unit. That would go a long way in ensuring safety for the new little ones.

Unfortunately for "Jr", he did have a son. A son who grew up to be a police officer. For the sake of credibility, what could be better? No matter how much these poor women suffered as girls it may be their brother who proves to be the star witness. A little boy being raped by his own 'father' with an audience of his sisters would be hard to forget. Let's pray that his memories are strong, and vivid.

 

[Missizzy]

Lemon--I was going to say thank you for a good point but I'm stuck on your last few words. I know exactly what you mean but the vision of this young man being forced to remember takes my breath away. Yes, strong and vivid memories will be an asset to this case. They were in our trial, that's for sure. Vivid details are what convicts.

However, it breaks my heart to pray that this victim's memories are sharp--15 to 20 years after his rape. I guess I'd like to modify the prayer. May he be an impressive and strong witness who will not be silenced with his truth. May he not bow under the pressure of the defense attorneys and the naysayers. But may he also find solace in his family and his God and his support system after he's told his story.

This family desperately needs closure and time to heal. It's long past time for the evil to be shown the light of day. It's going to be a long and rocky road.

 

[Missizzy]

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-jared-mohler-court-appearance-1410,0,4692294.story?track=rss

http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=396584

Trial Date to be Set for Jared Mohler on Monday

 

[IWannaKnow]

I wanted to post this, since it has been discussed extensively in connection with this case and all *recovered memory* cases. I didn't know this before, but it certainly cemented my feelings about *false memory* :banghead:

BBM:

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Memory_Syndrome_Foundation[/ame]

False Memory Syndrome Foundation

The False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) is a nonprofit organization founded in 1992[1] by Pamela and Peter Freyd, after being accused by their adult daughter Pamela Freyd of sexual abuse when she was a child.[2] The FMSF describes its purpose as the examination of the concept of false memory syndrome and recovered memory therapy (both terms created by the FMSF which are disputed and not used scientifically) and advocacy on behalf of individuals believed to be falsely accused of child sexual abuse[3] with a focus on preventing future incidents, helping individuals and reconciling families affected by FMS, publicizing information about FMS, sponsoring research on it and attempting to discover methods to distinguish a true or false allegation of abuse.[4] The FMSF was conceived during meetings at the University of Pennsylvania and Johns Hopkins Medical Center by several families accused of abusing their adult children when younger. This initial group was composed of academics and professionals and the organization sought out researchers in the fields of memory and clinical practice to form its advisory board. The goal of the FMSF expanded to become more than an advocacy organization, instead attempting to address the issues of memory that seemed to have caused the behavioral changes in their now-adult children.[5]

The FMSF originated the terms false memory syndrome and recovered memory therapy to describe what they believe is the orientation of patients towards confabulations created by inappropriate psychotherapy, and the methods through which these confabulations are created respectively.[6] Neither term is acknowledged by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or any professional organizations.[7] The organization is controversial, and has been criticized for misrepresenting themselves, the science of memory, selectively quoting the science of memory, protecting child abusers and encouraging a societal denial of the existence of child sexual abuse.


Please note - the article erroneously cites "Pamela Freyd" of accusing Peter, but it was actually their child, Jennifer.

So, here is the daughter....BBM.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Freyd[/ame]

Jennifer Freyd

Jennifer J. Freyd is an American psychologist, Professor of Psychology at the University of Oregon,[1] and editor of the Journal of Trauma & Dissociation.[2] Freyd has researched and written extensively on sexual abuse and memory, and developed the concept of betrayal trauma.[3][4]

[edit] Biography
In 1979, Freyd earned a B.A. in anthropology at the University of Pennsylvania, and in 1983 earned a Ph.D. in Psychology at Stanford University. From 1983 to 1987, she was an assistant professor at Cornell University, and since 1987 has been at the University of Oregon.[5] Awards and honors received by Freyd include the Association of Women in Psychology's 1997 Distinguished Publication Award, the Presidential Young Investigator Award from the National Science Foundation, and twice the Pierre Janet Award from the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation.[6]

As an adult in the early 1990s, Freyd privately accused her father of abusing her during her childhood. Her parents co-founded the False Memory Syndrome Foundation to dispute Freyd's claims and the claims of others who they allege may have recovered false memories of childhood abuse in therapy.[7]
**************************************************
Appears to me she recovered her memories in the process of getting her Ph.D. in Psychology from Stanford..... Hmmmmmmm. Who would I would believe, the mathematician or the psychologist... :waitasec:

 

[Missizzy]

IWannaKnow--Dr. Freyd is an incredible woman. I've never heard anything but very good things about her. The elder Freyd's organization is closely aligned with the National Center for Reason and Justice. They're another doozy. They demean and villify the victim at all costs. There's no doubt in my mind that some allegations are outright lies, intended to hurt. There should be stiff penalties and swift criminal and civil justice for those who falsify reports. I also believe that vulnerable and unstable people can be led to believe things that aren't true. It's called mind control and there's a million horrid examples outlined in our history books.

When I think of this young man in the midwest, however, I just can't wrap my mind around a fabricated story. This young man is a police officer, he's got a young family, he's involved in his church and community. Tell me why he would want the attention and notoriety of coming forward and saying that his father and uncles raped him in front of his sisters when they were children. That's not a real enviable position to ask for. He's in LE and he knows exactly what he's in for in that courtroom. No one can tell me that he hasn't spent years struggling with this nasty and horrible memory and attempting to figure out how to get out of the mess he's in. These men are his children's elder relatives. No doubt he sees them as a threat. Through his criminology training, he'd also know that pedophiles do NOT stop so he'd have great concern about children in his relatives' neighborhoods, churches, homes. And don't forget that he took an oath to uphold the law and to be a Mandated Reporter. Well, he's reporting.

I think our justice system does an excellent job with its checks and balances. If you are accused, charged, indicted, convicted, an appeal is upheld, and you fail at Post Conviction Relief and clemency...my guess is going to be that you did something wrong. And when more than one person says the same thing, well.....

You bring up a subject that I've been thinking a lot about lately, IWannaKnow. What's going on with the McMartin kids and the Wenatchee kids? Have any of them stepped forward to speak now that they are adults? I know that the NCRJ and the False Memory people would shout them down saying that they are mis-remembering. But, I would love to hear what they have to say. I noticed on one of the comments on Topix that someone uses the name "McMartin Victim". I wish they'd weigh in here for us. I'm definitely interested in their story. For years, the Catholics and the Mormons denied the allegations until a veritable tsunami overwhelmed them and they had to cave and tell the truth. I have a feeling that another tsunami is building.

And a child shall lead them. Indeed.

 

[Texas Mist]

Trial dates set for Darrel & Jared:

During one of the brief hearings, a Lafayette County judge set a March 24 trial date for 72-year-old Darrel W. Mohler, of Silver Springs, Fla. Mohler, who was hunched over and walked with a limp, is charged with two counts of forcible rape. He was able to post bond.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/22121623/detail.html

Also, when I checked Missouri's case.net again, I found that Darrel could leave the state (?)...the info is conflicting w/ other info but here it is:

Received and filed transcript from Associate Division, wherein bond set at $40,000.00 CASH OR SURETY, with special conditions of NO CONTACT WITH ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 17 YEARS, NO CONTACT WITH VICTIMS, AND MUST SUPPLY THE COURT THROUGH HIS ATTORNEY THE ADDRESS IN WHICH HE WILL BE RESIDING AT IN MISSOURI if bonded before he is arraigned on January 4, 2010, AND ALSO TO THE LAFAYETTE COUNTY PROSECUTOR FOR APPROVAL. Defendant is not required to stay in the State of Missouri.


And from MissIzzy's link in a prior post:

On Monday, one of Darrel's nephews, Jared Mohler, also appeared before a judge in Lexington, Mo. Jared Mohler was re-arraigned, and his trial date was set for Feb. 1 at 10 a.m.

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-jared-mohler-court-appearance-1410,0,4692294.story


Jared's trial date is less than one month away. When I last checked, his attorney was the only one shown as filing motion for discovery.

I wonder if the D.A. has responded, and if so, does Jared & his attorney believe they have a strong case to assert Jared's innocence?

 

[Missizzy]

I'll be very surprised if this court date "holds". It might but there's just so many things that can happen in four weeks. I don't know if anyone remembers, but Darrin Daly of Newburg, OR (the lovely gentleman who thought it would be fun to offer young teens for sex on Craigslist/dog component too) asked for a swift trial. It was set out about a month. Hmmm. Still nothing and I've been waiting for months.

That is conflicting about Darrel and Missouri. Maybe they want to know exactly where he is if he's in Missouri to make sure he stays away from the victims. That's pretty short-sighted, though, unless Florida plans to watch him carefully. Remember, the night he was arrested he was with his teen-aged grandkids and nine year old daughter. I guess he likes to hang out with younger folk.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I wanted to post this, since it has been discussed extensively in connection with this case and all *recovered memory* cases. I didn't know this before, but it certainly cemented my feelings about *false memory* :banghead:

BBM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Memory_Syndrome_Foundation

False Memory Syndrome Foundation

The False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) is a nonprofit organization founded in 1992[1] by Pamela and Peter Freyd, after being accused by their adult daughter Pamela Freyd of sexual abuse when she was a child.[2] The FMSF describes its purpose as the examination of the concept of false memory syndrome and recovered memory therapy (both terms created by the FMSF which are disputed and not used scientifically) and advocacy on behalf of individuals believed to be falsely accused of child sexual abuse[3] with a focus on preventing future incidents, helping individuals and reconciling families affected by FMS, publicizing information about FMS, sponsoring research on it and attempting to discover methods to distinguish a true or false allegation of abuse.[4] The FMSF was conceived during meetings at the University of Pennsylvania and Johns Hopkins Medical Center by several families accused of abusing their adult children when younger. This initial group was composed of academics and professionals and the organization sought out researchers in the fields of memory and clinical practice to form its advisory board. The goal of the FMSF expanded to become more than an advocacy organization, instead attempting to address the issues of memory that seemed to have caused the behavioral changes in their now-adult children.[5]

The FMSF originated the terms false memory syndrome and recovered memory therapy to describe what they believe is the orientation of patients towards confabulations created by inappropriate psychotherapy, and the methods through which these confabulations are created respectively.[6] Neither term is acknowledged by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or any professional organizations.[7] The organization is controversial, and has been criticized for misrepresenting themselves, the science of memory, selectively quoting the science of memory, protecting child abusers and encouraging a societal denial of the existence of child sexual abuse.


Please note - the article erroneously cites "Pamela Freyd" of accusing Peter, but it was actually their child, Jennifer.

So, here is the daughter....BBM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Freyd

Jennifer Freyd

Jennifer J. Freyd is an American psychologist, Professor of Psychology at the University of Oregon,[1] and editor of the Journal of Trauma & Dissociation.[2] Freyd has researched and written extensively on sexual abuse and memory, and developed the concept of betrayal trauma.[3][4]

[edit] Biography
In 1979, Freyd earned a B.A. in anthropology at the University of Pennsylvania, and in 1983 earned a Ph.D. in Psychology at Stanford University. From 1983 to 1987, she was an assistant professor at Cornell University, and since 1987 has been at the University of Oregon.[5] Awards and honors received by Freyd include the Association of Women in Psychology's 1997 Distinguished Publication Award, the Presidential Young Investigator Award from the National Science Foundation, and twice the Pierre Janet Award from the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation.[6]

As an adult in the early 1990s, Freyd privately accused her father of abusing her during her childhood. Her parents co-founded the False Memory Syndrome Foundation to dispute Freyd's claims and the claims of others who they allege may have recovered false memories of childhood abuse in therapy.[7]
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Appears to me she recovered her memories in the process of getting her Ph.D. in Psychology from Stanford..... Hmmmmmmm. Who would I would believe, the mathematician or the psychologist... :waitasec:

She claimed they were FALSE memories, but several years later she admitted that the memories were actually true and what she did recall actually did happen to her.

She is now an activist for sexual abuse survivors.