Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

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  • #961
I'm confused, her social media had tons of references to pot as well as acid and adderall. I'm confused by why this wouldn't be seen as evidence of her getting drugs. If she was using them, she must be buying them. right?

Agreed. I don't think we know that she was selling drugs, but she was at least acquiring them.

Guessing at it, I think she had more than one meeting scheduled for that night...A. to pick up weed, then B. to meet someone to escort/use the drugs etc. Somewhere in between A and B or at B, she met with harm.

I do NOT expect this to be a psychotic break. I can't rule it out of course, but to me, it points more toward accident (perhaps due to youthful recklessness) or foul play.
 
  • #962
Because they don't want to be associated publicly with sex, drugs and rock and roll...
 
  • #963
Agreed. I don't think we know that she was selling drugs, but she was at least acquiring them.

Guessing at it, I think she had more than one meeting scheduled for that night...A. to pick up weed, then B. to meet someone to escort/use the drugs etc. Somewhere in between A and B or at B, she met with harm.

I do NOT expect this to be a psychotic break. I can't rule it out of course, but to me, it points more toward accident (perhaps due to youthful recklessness) or foul play.

I agree that is plausible. I guess my focus goes to what is the catalyst for harm.

I broke that down before that a escort client likely has very different motivations than a drug dealer. the john has a primary sex/violence motivation. The drug dealer has a money/business motivation.

Also, if she was escorting, there'd likely be a 3rd party involved, unless she met the john on her own via a website or whatever. If she was escorting via an escort company, that becomes a whole lot more riskier for that john, as the escort company is going to know who that person is. An escort company is a legal entity, and it's what happens during the meeting that may or may not break the law. So an escort company is not going to be adverse to reporting the john to the police.

So in that respect, it's different than a drug dealer. If the drug dealer is the last to see someone, they ain't looking to give any information and likely would rather not even anyone know they communicated with the missing person. why? because the context of their meeting is a drug deal! :)

But I do agree that it's possible that no one knew about her B that night, only the A.
 
  • #964
Max, do you have specific training or experience in any of the above that you speak about?
While you make great points, I am having a hard time determining what you speak of as fact and what you speak of as your opinion??
 
  • #965
Im kinda suprised that toni was a stripper too.

Shes too pretty for that. Jmo
 
  • #966
Max, do you have specific training or experience in any of the above that you speak about?
While you make great points, I am having a hard time determining what you speak of as fact and what you speak of as your opinion??

I don't have crime specific training in terms of law enforcement etc. I am unsure of what specifically you are wondering about as fact/opinion.

In regards to this case, I have no direct facts. :) With every case I follow, I do a fair amount of research to learn about things involved in a given case.

I am simply giving opinions based on what I see. I do have experience in the sense that I have lived in high crime areas, and I do take note of law enforcement practices in having followed many cases. But am I some kind of professional? naw :)

I have made mention of things that I do have knowledge on a given subject such a friends who are bellmen and talk about how escort services and drugs relate to their jobs. It's not my direct experience obviously, but do I trust what they say? sure. I've asked them before why they don't call the police if they know it's prostitution. What do you think they said? I get tips... see. That's what they cared about. People coming and going paid them. The one guy even admitted that he'd give out escort service numbers to hotel visitors. Escort services are legal services, so there's nothing wrong with that. But neither the visitors or him were unclear on what they were talking about.

As far as drugs. I've seen a fair amount of this going on in places I lived. I've never lived in KC, but as with most things crime related, I doubt it's much different wherever you go.

Even in this case I had a very vague idea as to what a confidential informant was, so I just researched it, and I'm quite amazed at how fast and loose LE *factually* plays with the lives of their informants. I don't have experience in the field, but I can certainly look at an article about informants and see articles about real people who were informants and *factually* got killed. So in that sense, yes I am speaking of fact.

But for things like as to why I believe we have a bunch of people lying. I think that's just from experience of living in high crime areas. I lived around people that would give those vague answers all the time to avoid getting involved in something that could fall back on them in some way. I've seen "thick as thieves" in action. People who have another's secrets trust each other to keep those secrets. I don't need an opinion on that, I've seen it factually happen. Someone is not going to finger their drug dealer.


But if you want to be more specific about what you want to know is fact/opinion I can help you out on creating a clear line :)

But again in terms of this case here's what I'd consider fact :

Toni left work
Toni Got pulled over
GPS was disconnected - supposedly at the QT
Toni was never seen by anyone again.

There is surveillance video and dashcam video that the police didn't release, even after a request by a reporter.



Now in terms of toni. I think the facts are she worked at a chrome, smoked pot, took acid, and adderall. She was open about this kind of thing on social media, and I don't see any reason to doubt it. She moved from KS to KCMO after avoiding some kind of drug charges. (via her tumblr)


There are more things about the case and toni that people will point to as fact. But I will even admit that some of the things I listed about the case itself are not confirmed facts imo. We are trusting to some degree that she wasn't pulled over a second time etc

I should add that I don't rule out things like an accident or stalker etc. I think there's lots of plausible scenarios. But for me... I think we are being lied to, and that points to illegal activity. my opinion -- we are being lied to :)
 
  • #967
That NW River Rd area just west of parkville is vast and no mans land. I drove it last week when I was out at Parma Woods shooting range. There is no way that place could be fully searched. It looks barely traveled.
 
  • #968
That NW River Rd area just west of parkville is vast and no mans land. I drove it last week when I was out at Parma Woods shooting range. There is no way that place could be fully searched. It looks barely traveled.

Yep, I agree. I've said before I think they might find more than a few bodies/cars.
 
  • #969
Yep, I agree. I've said before I think they might find more than a few bodies/cars.
I agree as well. I've driven out there before and it's desolate. Why isn't anyone doing searches anymore?

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  • #970
maybe everybody is looking in the wrong state. the adult entertainment covention was starting just two days after she vanished in vegas. this event draws dancers and cam girls from across the US to work all the events and after partys in the hotels. maybe a offer was made, and something happened there
 
  • #971
maybe everybody is looking in the wrong state. the adult entertainment covention was starting just two days after she vanished in vegas. this event draws dancers and cam girls from across the US to work all the events and after partys in the hotels. maybe a offer was made, and something happened there

Wasn't her friend that got the text in vegas at the time. I just think that there'd be a record of her flying, because why would she hide going there?
 
  • #972
I believe she was making a sale or a buy and decided to run off with the cash.


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  • #973
Thing is though Max, the dealers have been pointed out.
Now that I think about it, other cases I've followed, the names come out too.
 
  • #974
I agree that is plausible. I guess my focus goes to what is the catalyst for harm.

Here's what I see in terms of catalyst for harm.

If she arrived somewhere to provide escort services and/or drugs...

1. She may have been sexually assaulted and killed to avoid prosecution

OR

2. She may have accidentally overdosed and it was covered up to protect fellow users or the supplier from prosecution.

If she was simply too tired, traveling in the dark in possibly poor weather conditions in an unfamiliar area, than the cause of harm would be driving error/road conditions.

I of course want to believe she took off of her own free will and is alive somewhere. Or that she is in witness protection. I don't rule out these or other possibilities, but I think the most likely scenarios are the ones I mentioned above.
 
  • #975
*Reposting* removed the part of my post that I don't care about entertaining.

I think Toni was targeted. She was targeted by someone with a plan. I think she wasn't mindful for her safety as a personality flaw. She told her mom that she wouldn't drive out on the roads due to the weather, she's known to speed ALL the time, driving between 3 AM - 6 AM was a usual habit, possibly made frequent stops to an ATM in the wee hours depositing cash. I am not judging her career, but it is not the safest of jobs.... you're exposed to a bunch of weirdos...

I think she was targeted by someone she knows, potentially a client where she can make 100% of the cash instead of tipping out the club, serves etc. Or by someone observing that she wasn't mindful of her safety, learned her routine and took advantage of that.

I also think targeted by a trafficker is plausible as well.

All in all, I think she was targeted in some way, shape or form.
 
  • #976
All in all, I think she was targeted in some way, shape or form.

If she was intentionally targeted (rather than say an overdose coverup), and is gone against her will, then my $ would be on a male who knows of her from the stripper/escort industry and possibly developed an unhealthy fixation on her.
 
  • #977
Interesting no one is convinced on the police accident theory.
 
  • #978
Interesting no one is convinced on the police accident theory.
The accident theory has always seemed silly to me. The weather wasn't that bad that morning (I was out in the Northland during the same time frame).

In addition, I've heard "she was fatigued and in an unfamiliar area" which seems strange to me. If you work at a club, and are used to those hours, being out driving between 4-6am isn't going to be difficult for you. As a person that works nights I'm out all the time between 2-7am driving. Also, she posted previously that she enjoyed driving during those times.

Anyway, is an accident possible? Absolutely. I just don't think it's the most likely cause of her disappearance.

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  • #979
Interesting no one is convinced on the police accident theory.

As I mentioned above, I actually DO see an accident as being as likely of an explanation as her being assaulted. I live in a rural area and while it's not average, by any means, it's certainly not unheard of for wrecks and missing persons to be discovered months and years after the fact.

The thing that I think is really strange about the police theory, though, is that they are publicizing that hypothesize. To me, that seems unconventional. Unless you've found evidence that there was a collision or have some other sort of circumstantial info that points to an accident, I don't know why you would publicly lean toward that conclusion over another.

Unless they are trying to mislead a perp in some way.
 
  • #980
If she was intentionally targeted (rather than say an overdose coverup), and is gone against her will, then my $ would be on a male who knows of her from the stripper/escort industry and possibly developed an unhealthy fixation on her.

If that was the case the police would have put out a whole lot of info. They are being quiet for a reason. These random and basic updates are for a reason. Her entire circle of friends STFU quick and hasn't said much since. Hmmmmmmm
 
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