MO - Woman escapes from Excelsior Springs house, says she's been held against her will since September 2022

[GoBuckeyes]

Here is a link to a news article about the federal investigation: Justice Department opens civil rights investigation into Kansas City Police hiring practices

Not to get too personal, but I am local and have attended events alongside families of victims of KCKPD police brutality and police shootings. I also witnessed firsthand our PD completely ignore the directives of our mayor and begin tear gassing huge crowds of peaceful protesters during the George Floyd protests. Although they did manage to get on the same page, this was due to the lack of local PD control.

I'm not sure it's fair to chalk up to one issue all that was summer 2020. JMOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

On the news tonight (KSHB channel 41) they said she had not been "officially" reported as missing. Now whether or not that is because the police wouldn't take a report, I don't know.

Why would they not take a report? I know sometimes reports have to be given in person, and you have to go to them. Is that what you mean?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I'm not sure where they found these posts because I searched keywords on his profile and the posts did not come up. Maybe they were not on his actual profile or FB's search function was not working when I tried.

Since the KCDefender, according to their website, is a newsletter, rather than being structured as traditional MSM, it's possible that they don't always hold themselves to MSM's standard. It's hard to say. I would think that being a newsletter grants them less risk exposure to libel lawsuits, but IANAL. They could be a highly accurate source, but they may not be. This case is rife with reporting from a single, very local, source. It's not dissimilar to the one source being the early usual source for Murdaugh. I'll wait until the opinions die down and a couple nationally-known MSM sources divulge his SM. For now, the charging docs indicate that he's obviously a sadist. As far as KC's missing persons, reported or not, may they all be resolved quickly. Friends and family deserve answers, and victims deserve justice.

 

[dalsglen]

Why would they not take a report? I know sometimes reports have to be given in person, and you have to go to them. Is that what you mean?

not the op and I'm not quite sure if you're being serious but imo because we know how drug users, prostitutes, the poor and black women(and men for that matter) are treated in regards to being missing. I'm not saying the victim was any of these things but would certainly make sense to me.

I hope she gets the treatment and justice she deserves. I can't even imagine.

 

[azure]

I'm not sure it's fair to chalk up to one issue all that was summer 2020. JMOO

In no way was I doing that. I was simply pointing out one time that lack of local control caused the PD to disobey the public directives of the mayor.

 

[carbuff]

Why would they not take a report? I know sometimes reports have to be given in person, and you have to go to them. Is that what you mean?

Some of the public statements KCPD has made, as reported in the media, can be interpreted as saying they won't take a missing persons report unless there's evidence of a crime.

I have no way to know whether that's true in Missouri but there have been cases around here where the family of missing people has been told basically "She's just off on a drug binge, she'll be home in a few days." And this in an area (MA) that is generally pretty good (at least recently) about missing people.

 

[Deleted member 718]

TH has another court case. This one is his landlord taking him to court. I assume his landlord plans to evict him and be assured rent/damages are paid.

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/service.do


Case Type: AC Rent and Possession
Circuit: Circuit 7
Case Number: 22CY-CV09218
Party Type: Defendant
Address On File: EXCELSIOR SPRINGS MO
Filing Date: 10/18/2022
County: Clay County
Style of Case: KIM SANSON ET AL V TIMOTHY HASLETT
Location: Clay Circuit Court

case 22CY-CV09218

Issuance
Issued To:	HASLETT , TIMOTHY			Date Issued:	10/19/2022
Document Issued:	Summons- Landlord-Tenant			Due Date:	11/18/2022
Document ID:	22-SMLT-356

10/19/2022		Summons Issued-Landlord/Tenant
	Document ID: 22-SMLT-356, for HASLETT, TIMOTHY.
		Dismissal Hearing Scheduled
	Scheduled For: 01/30/2023; 1:35 PM ; DANIEL L WHITE; Clay
		Hearing Scheduled
	Scheduled For: 11/07/2022; 1:30 PM ; DANIEL L WHITE; Clay
10/18/2022		Filing Info Sheet eFiling
	Filed By: BRYCE D MOORE
		Pet Filed in Associate Ct
	Petition for Immediate Possession Pursuant to RSMO 441.740.
	Filed By: BRYCE D MOORE
	On Behalf Of: KIM SANSON, GARY SANSON

 

[Charlot123]

It is the case with evidence. There were witnesses seeing the poor victim, in the state she ran away from him. If she said the other person didn’t make it, I’d take her words as evidence.

 

[Laughing]

Some of the public statements KCPD has made, as reported in the media, can be interpreted as saying they won't take a missing persons report unless there's evidence of a crime.

I have no way to know whether that's true in Missouri but there have been cases around here where the family of missing people has been told basically "She's just off on a drug binge, she'll be home in a few days." And this in an area (MA) that is generally pretty good (at least recently) about missing people.

Part of the history mentioned here, a licensed clinical social worker disappeared from a KCPD station:

KCPD continues search for missing 39-year-old woman last seen leaving police station

Police said Marina Bischoff’s family reported that she had been depressed leading up to her disappearance.

www.kmbc.com

Search continues for missing social worker - UPDATED

Our mission: To protect and serve with professionalism, honor and integrity. Call 911 for emergencies; 816-234-5111 for non-emergencies.

www.kcpd.org

Her remains were eventually found, but....

jmho ymmv rr

 

[carbuff]

That's very sad Poor woman.

 

[darkstar105]

Why would they not take a report? I know sometimes reports have to be given in person, and you have to go to them. Is that what you mean?

There is much, much confusion in Kansas City over whether anyone ever attempted to report the alleged missing women (plus the known victim when she was missing) to the KCPD or whether the families/friends told Bishop Caldwell and Bishop Caldwell tried to report to the police, or whether the families/friends told Bishop Caldwell alone and no one tried to report to KCPD, or what???? Now please understand I believe Bishop Caldwell. I have been trying to get people to watch the interview he did with Hidden True Crime on Youtube, where he explains a bit more clearly how he got wind of the missing persons.

In the original KC Defender report, which presented the original Tik Tok with Bishop Caldwell, he starts out "I'm a little upset right now" which I can understand. On here I got a post taken down for mentioning Tik Tok but the original Tik Tok was shared on Atlanta Black Star

'That's Exactly What We Were Telling People': Kansas City Police Said Bishop's Claims of Missing Black Women Were False Then Victim Escapes Month-Long Abduction on the Same Street; 'Other Young Ladies Didn't Make It'

A Kansas City, Missouri, community activist has been vindicated after an abducted woman escaped a home where she was held captive. Bishop Tony Caldwell

atlantablackstar.com

OK in the Hidden True Crime interview, Bishop Caldwell has a little more time and explains a little more clearly. He says he was going door to door trying to help a gentleman locate his missing daughter, and THAT'S when people told him about other missing women in the community.

Bishop Caldwell comes across in a more clear way in this Hidden True Crime video, especially the latter half. At about 27 minutes, he says the community had a description of a "scruffy white guy."

If I could get local people in Kansas City (well, on Reddit anyway) to watch this Hidden True Crime video, maybe they would stop refusing to give Bishop Caldwell any credence! I think part of the problem with local Kansas Citians believing Bishop Caldwell is that on the original Tik Tok he did not have time to lay out all his evidence and also as he started out, he was upset when he made the Tik Tok.

Bishop Caldwell is not a journalist nor a P.R. person and hasn't laid out the evidence 1-2-3 to the satisfaction of some who are used to journalists (who also don't lay things out 1-2-3 very well anymore either!) I wish someone could get Bishop Caldwell on video explaining once and for all.... did the families report this name, and that name, and the third name, to the cops and the cops refused to take the report, or did the families tell you when you knocked on their door and you tried to report to the police and the police refused to take the report? or what?

Someone on Reddit probably rightly pointed out that these days, there is next to no local "boots-on-the-ground" investigative reporting. I think part of what's going on is that some people still expect mainstream local news outlets to have done boots-on-the-ground investigative reporting but who's monetized enough to do that these days? Maybe Youtube is better equipped these days.

Some locals are demanding names before they will believe there are X number of missing persons unaccounted for still, and the mainstream news hasn't yet explained this to certain people's satisfaction I guess you'd say.

Another complication is that if the families/friends and/or Bishop Caldwell did report the alleged missing women to the KCPD, the KCPD could be lying and denying that attempted reports were made. Some believe that to be the possible case. As another Websleuther pointed out, some in this community may be afraid to be seen talking to the police, so maybe they only talked to Bishop Caldwell and maybe Bishop Caldwell went to the police and was pooh-poohed. I don't know. But I'm open to believing Bishop Caldwell even though he hasn't laid it out in as clear of 1-2-3 as I would like him to. Names or why no names? I think maybe the families asked him not to name names? I don't know?

Still don't know for sure if the families or Bishop Caldwell attempted to report and the police pooh-poohed them or ??? but i do believe there are missing persons because the victim said there were others and THAT was in the Guardian.

Woman who escapes month-long captivity says other Black women killed by abductor

Missouri woman, 22, escapes less than a month after police dismissed concerns about a serial killer as ‘completely unfounded’

www.theguardian.com

 

[SLouTh]

Great post above @darkstar105 ^^^^^

I also believe Bishop Caldwell’s statements, if you search the “Bishop Caldwell” on YouTube there is another video where he is wearing a red striped shirt that also explains this a little more …

Bishop Caldwell does state that this young woman, who escaped, was one of eight women that were missing…. He also explains that one mother tried to report her daughter missing to Police, but gave up due to obstacles …
He also said because some of the young women went by “nick names” or not their real names, the Police wouldn’t take a missing person’s report…

I am hoping that Sunday’s planned vigil for these missing young women will be taken seriously, and perhaps then they will release some images of the women that are missing and the names they go by, even if Police refuse to take an official missing person’s report…..maybe the Media can make a positive difference….

These women, no matter their race, creed, occupation, age, all deserve to have Justice and some one looking for them if they are missing! IMO

Words from Bishop Caldwell:

That was the description of the guy we were talking about and that was the location we said they were being taken from. That’s exactly what we were telling people. I’m sorry people didn’t act on it sooner, and it’s absolutely tragic that the other young ladies didn’t make it. It’s horrible.

Woman who escapes month-long captivity says other Black women killed by abductor

Missouri woman, 22, escapes less than a month after police dismissed concerns about a serial killer as ‘completely unfounded’

www.theguardian.com

Police defend missing persons investigations as community activists raise concerns

Authorities say there are no missing persons reports from near Prospect Avenue or one tying into the Excelsior Springs case

www.kmbc.com

 

[SLouTh]

This is Missouri, not Kansas.

With respect, I am aware of that, and missed the word “City” as “Prospect“ is in Kansas City, I thought you would recognise the name of the city….

 

[Bit of hope]

Not sure what to make of this. Investigation growing, but all the agencies are from Clay County? BUT they don't think any other possible victims are from the area?

Timothy Haslett, Jr. is charged with rape, kidnapping and second-degree assault. His arraignment is set in Clay County for 1:30 p.m. Tuesday.

The Excelsior Springs Police Department announced Monday afternoon it has activated the Clay County Investigative Squad Task Force, a group described as “a multi-jurisdictional entity comprised of members from multiple municipal law enforcement organizations within Clay County.”

To dispel any rumors of Haslett’s alleged victims being missing women from Kansas City, the police department also said law enforcement agencies across the area have confirmed there are no current missing person reports corresponding with evidence examined in the Excelsior Springs investigation, thus far.

Multiple agencies join forces in investigation of Timothy Haslett, Jr.

Timothy Haslett is charged with rape, kidnapping and second-degree assault.

www.kctv5.com

It's obvious that the lack of a missing persons report doesn't mean there is nobody missing. There are a lot of so called missing-missing persons all over the US, meaning non-reported missing persons. We see them f.i. among the homeless community, runaway youngsters with behavioral problems, people who are estranged from family for all kinds of reasons (addiction, criminal behavior). I tend to think LE is very well aware of this, but chooses to act along this lines; Not reported = not missing = a non-existent problem = less workload.

 

[SLouTh]

It's obvious that the lack of a missing persons report doesn't mean there is nobody missing. There are a lot of so called missing-missing persons all over the US, meaning non-reported missing persons. We see them f.i. among the homeless community, runaway youngsters with behavioral problems, people who are estranged from family for all kinds of reasons (addiction, criminal behavior). I tend to think LE is very well aware of this, but chooses to act along this lines; Not reported = not missing = a non-existent problem = less workload.

Agree totally…
It seems like Police think the case is resolved…. The woman escaped, and they have the suspect, and the case closed….. all nice and quick… IMO

 

[Rony09]

Still a terrible story.

 

[Bit of hope]

The thing that upsets me the most is WHY would the Police NOT believe the victim of such a horrendous crime????

I hope the Excelsior Police are better than Kansa City on this one…. and look for other women who are missing … and at least consult with Bishop Caldwell on who the 8 missing young women are …..

IMO

I would like to see names and pictures of these allegedly missing women, so that the public can relate with the fact this are real people and create some empathy and pressure to look more into it.

 

[SLouTh]

I would like to see names and pictures of these allegedly missing women, so that the public can relate with the fact this are real people and create some empathy and pressure to look more into it.

Hopefully they will be released at Sunday’s vigil for the women missing ….

Agree with your post totally …

 

[SLouTh]

Still a terrible story.

Yes, horrendous!!!! And to think the kidnapping and deprivation of liberty can happen in a suburban street again, and neighbours don’t know anything about it is so scary ..

(NOT blaming the neighbours, just commenting that you never know what goes on behind closed doors… )

 

[Bit of hope]

Hopefully they will be released at Sunday’s vigil for the women missing ….

Agree with your post totally …

I hope so too, but it's really hard for families to overcome felt shame and quilt for the lifestyle of loved ones. And if they can "we" the public will kick them back in the corner, with all kinds of disgusting blaming comments on SM. Feeling really emotional now...there is so much hate and ignorance brewing in the underbelly of our society.