Moorers' Bond Hearing - #2

[NFYIAMY]

What SM's attorney actually said (went back to my notes) is that SM's parents were willing to post any money needed for a PR Bond. He said they were well respected in Berkley county etc...

My apologies for the incorrect info up ^^ there.

 

[OkieGranny]

I did a little project last year, collecting whatever information was known directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak. It was interesting, I learned a lot, and then it got buried way back deep in the threads. If you're curious about exactly what has or has not been officially said or if, like me, you feel you like need a refresher on the details, here's the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...y-law-enforcement-etc&p=10439179#post10439179

 

[NFYIAMY]

I was there. I mis-typed earlier - went back to my notes (about 20 pages of them!)

I am POSITIVE the judge said "100k" for each of them and "SURETY". He also said it was a 'package' bond that would cover all charges.

 

[NFYIAMY]

My initial thoughts were "Gosh, she's lost a lot of weight" - then as she sat down at the table - she looked over at SM and said "Hey baby. I love you". She looked into the galley (not sure who she was looking for but it seemed like she didn't see them).

My impression was that in the very first little bit of this hearing I knew they were going to be granted bond. Whatever pretrial stuff and/or information the judge had prior to the hearing had already given him the 'law' he needed to make his decision. I don't think anything short of "we found heather this morning and found the item used to kill her and their finger prints are all over it" would've changed the outcome today. I'm not sure even THAT would've swayed the judge.

I also think it will be interesting to see if TM can keep her trap shut. The judge admonished them that any social media or incitement of any sort will land them right back in jail.

I also know there was at least one 'national' media outlet represented there (although the judge was tighter than I've ever experienced) in the amount of media requests he approved. Don't ask me for details on that - because I don't know and won't speculate beyond wondering if TM or SM's attorneys would think it smart to let them do any sort of interview at this point. Guess we will all know soon enough?

 

[Cinnamon]

I did a little project last year, collecting whatever information was known directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak. It was interesting, I learned a lot, and then it got buried way back deep in the threads. If you're curious about exactly what has or has not been officially said or if, like me, you feel you like need a refresher on the details, here's the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...y-law-enforcement-etc&p=10439179#post10439179

Thanks, OkieGranny! I definitely need a refresher!

 

[NFYIAMY]

I believe court was adjourned at that point, but the open mic was still on for several minutes...

"Package" bond -- the bond today will cover all charges.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

The judge did say SURETY bond. (and that is what the defense was asking for - he stated that both were in a financial position to do a surety bond - even going so far as to say the C's had about 300k-350k in equity in their home they could tap into to put up the surety bond)...

So I'm not sure which was actually granted. I did hear another reporter ask someone on their way out "The judge did say SURETY right?" and the answer she got was "Yes" - so maybe it is just being reported incorrectly by another source?

Yes. Judge said Surety bond.

52:00 - http://www.wistv.com/clip/11086181/full-video-moorer-bond-reconsideration-hearing-part-2

MSM is wrong. (At least WMBF)

After hearing these arguments, Judge R. Markley Dennis, Jr., granted the Moorers personal recognizance bonds, setting the total bond at $100,000 for all charges related to the case.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/27984870/bond-granted-for-couple-accused-of-heather-elvis-murder

 

[WhoWhatWhenWhere]

I am not surprised at all she tried to talk over everyone... Wonder how long it will be before she gets home, gets drunk, gets on FB and see what everyone is saying about her? I'm not convinced she will be able to keep that trap shut...

ETA: Tried to quote earlier comment, but I'm a newbie lol

 

[tabinmaine]

I did a little project last year, collecting whatever information was known directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak. It was interesting, I learned a lot, and then it got buried way back deep in the threads. If you're curious about exactly what has or has not been officially said or if, like me, you feel you like need a refresher on the details, here's the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...y-law-enforcement-etc&p=10439179#post10439179

Just read what you put together , it had been a while since I had read it , thank you for bumping that !
Boy oh boy, I see now where they really didn't seem sure of anything, LE seems to be just "hoping" to get a guilty verdict.

 

[tabinmaine]

My initial thoughts were "Gosh, she's lost a lot of weight" - then as she sat down at the table - she looked over at SM and said "Hey baby. I love you". She looked into the galley (not sure who she was looking for but it seemed like she didn't see them).

My impression was that in the very first little bit of this hearing I knew they were going to be granted bond. Whatever pretrial stuff and/or information the judge had prior to the hearing had already given him the 'law' he needed to make his decision. I don't think anything short of "we found heather this morning and found the item used to kill her and their finger prints are all over it" would've changed the outcome today. I'm not sure even THAT would've swayed the judge.

I also think it will be interesting to see if TM can keep her trap shut. The judge admonished them that any social media or incitement of any sort will land them right back in jail.
I also know there was at least one 'national' media outlet represented there (although the judge was tighter than I've ever experienced) in the amount of media requests he approved. Don't ask me for details on that - because I don't know and won't speculate beyond wondering if TM or SM's attorneys would think it smart to let them do any sort of interview at this point. Guess we will all know soon enough?

Is that part of their agreement to be let out on bond ? No social media ?

 

[OtterPops]

Soooo... not only do they have ZERO evidence to go on, they are not LOOKING for the victim nor have they been for QUITE some time. Also, two parents have been in a prison for a year without real proof they've done anything at all. AND there was a gag order in the case... with absolutely NOTHING to gag. Great case there for the state. Have they done ANYTHING right since HE disappeared???!? Poor Elvis Family. This is a TRAVESTY.

 

[lstiff]

Okay, I am finally caught up on my reading. :facepalm: THANK YOU for those of you who typed out the play by play, recaps and links to videos. I was not able to watch live and read on FB about the bond right after it happened.

I am not really shocked after I thought it over but I am concerned about them being out. There is a lot of emotion in this case from the community and it seems really "risky" to have TM and SM out and about (from both sides IMO) even with a GPS tracker.

IMO TM needs 24 hour security, tracking her every move. I have no doubt she will stumble upon this page eventually when she gets back online and Googles herself and the case. She can't even stay silent in court during her bond hearing. She really does feel the need to be in control.

I always thought that SM was the one who called her from the payphone. Makes total sense to me as far as the timeline of what we know. If TM put him up to it, was with him, or he snuck out-IDK any of that but in my mind he was always the one on the payphone that night.

One big red flag for me is if each of them were told "you can walk now if you give up info on the other" why neither of them took that offer..... Either they were both involved and KNEW it would come back on them if they spoke, 1 truly didn't have anything to do with it and doesn't know what the other did (doubt it) or neither truly have knowledge of anything (double highly doubt) SO, why didn't 1 of them offer up any information??? Thoughts?

Prayers of safety and restraint for the Elvis family. I know I would struggle to keep to myself still if my child were missing, pressumed dead and the last person to speak to her was released from jail. JMO of course.

Where is Heather??

 

[Knox]

Somewhat caught up, big thanks to everyone who recapped the hearing. Tammy looks 100 years old!!!

I feel sick knowing they will be out on bond. What's worse, it sounds like the State's case is weak, which breaks my heart for the Elvis family!!!
I'm still convinced they killed Heather.

Is the hearing up on the web yet?

Did they discuss the gag order, is it still in place?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

This is where I think they hurt their own case. They said she was murdered at PTL, without any direct evidence to support their claim, and it appeared when the charges were publicized that there was also no physical evidence (at PTL). Based on the LE documents and statements, it has seemed to me that they believe/claim that because there was contact between SM and HE in the early hours, and because her car ended up at PTL, and because the M's vehicle was (allegedly) seen going toward and coming back from PTL shortly after HE's car arrived there, she was killed there.

I just don't think that's going to be tenable in court, particularly once the defense commences its counter-arguments. LE has said there's no reason to believe she didn't drive herself there. They never said they have proof she did. I'm not saying she didn't, although I've wondered many times if she was the one that took the car there, but the issue for the state seems to be that while there may be compelling circumstantial evidence in some aspects of the case, nothing proves the M's and Heather encountered one another at PTL. Certainly nothing direct or physical (it appears) proves Heather was killed at that location. Yet the probable cause documents reflect she was killed there.

I just think this is extremely problematic.

It was also HUGE issue for me at the very beginning when LE let TE drive HE's car away from the crime scene (PTL). What evidence was destroyed that could have proved one way or another that she was killed at PTL? Fingerprints on HE's car? Or if she actually drove there in the first place. Guess we'll never know now.

 

[Edison7]

Do the federal fraud charges come in to play with the charges associated with the case? No bond had been set on those. I've seen it's a package deal but the wording was "all charges related to the case". That's were my confusion comes in. Are the fraud charges included as "related to the case"?

If not, then no bond had been set for those. Would that mean she will be transferred to Federal prison?

 

[OkieGranny]

Knox, the video is available here, in two parts:

http://www.wistv.com/story/27984870...lvis-murder?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass

There was no discussion of the gag order. Judge John would have to be the one to lift it, wouldn't he?

 

[jillycat]

Okay, I am finally caught up on my reading. :facepalm: THANK YOU for those of you who typed out the play by play, recaps and links to videos. I was not able to watch live and read on FB about the bond right after it happened.

I am not really shocked after I thought it over but I am concerned about them being out. There is a lot of emotion in this case from the community and it seems really "risky" to have TM and SM out and about (from both sides IMO) even with a GPS tracker.

IMO TM needs 24 hour security, tracking her every move. I have no doubt she will stumble upon this page eventually when she gets back online and Googles herself and the case. She can't even stay silent in court during her bond hearing. She really does feel the need to be in control.

I always thought that SM was the one who called her from the payphone. Makes total sense to me as far as the timeline of what we know. If TM put him up to it, was with him, or he snuck out-IDK any of that but in my mind he was always the one on the payphone that night.

One big red flag for me is if each of them were told "you can walk now if you give up info on the other" why neither of them took that offer..... Either they were both involved and KNEW it would come back on them if they spoke, 1 truly didn't have anything to do with it and doesn't know what the other did (doubt it) or neither truly have knowledge of anything (double highly doubt) SO, why didn't 1 of them offer up any information??? Thoughts?

Prayers of safety and restraint for the Elvis family. I know I would struggle to keep to myself still if my child were missing, pressumed dead and the last person to speak to her was released from jail. JMO of course.

Where is Heather??

I think there is likely a most unholy alliance that forever assures the silence of both parties, but it could be that someone will roll now that they're (provisionally) free. I suppose anything is possible in this case...have said in the past I think it may have a surprise ending. But SM's atty's remark to the effect, "if it even goes any farther than this" (may not be exact quote), suggests to me that this is just the beginning of motions by the defense designed to prevent the need for a trial. I think they hope to free their clients on the basis of insufficient evidence before it even gets to a jury.

 

[jillycat]

It was also HUGE issue for me at the very beginning when LE let TE drive HE's car away from the crime scene (PTL). What evidence was destroyed that could have proved one way or another that she was killed at PTL? Fingerprints on HE's car? Or if she actually drove there in the first place. Guess we'll never know now.

Yes, I remember your remarks and agree. Never understood why the car wasn't immediately secured. And now we have 'evidence' that turns out to be the victim's DNA found in the victim's own car? Sheesh.

 

[Surfside]

It was also HUGE issue for me at the very beginning when LE let TE drive HE's car away from the crime scene (PTL). What evidence was destroyed that could have proved one way or another that she was killed at PTL? Fingerprints on HE's car? Or if she actually drove there in the first place. Guess we'll never know now.

BBM: Me too!

 

[poppygirl]

Well, disappointing but not surprising. Hoping the state has as much evidence as they say they do. Circumstantial or not...it wouldn't be the first time someone's convicted on circumstantial evidence. It'll be up to a jury to decide.
Just praying that:
1) The Elvis family doesn't experience anymore threats or violence from these 2 lunatics now that they're out and
2) Tammy, who I don't believe is capable of keeping her big stupid arrogant mouth shut, seals her own fate by blabbing something to someone while she's out.
3) In the end, justice is served.

Grateful that they at least got to spend almost a year behind bars, missed birthdays, holidays, etc. Never enough to compensate for the hurt they caused but at least it hasn't been easy for them either.