Moorers' Bond Hearing - #2

[SStarr33]

If memory serves me correctly (and that's a big IF).... At the first bond hearing Elder said it (the video) was SENT to the FBI but I don't remember if she attributed the info about the video to what the FBI said or to what the local authorities determined. Have to try & go back through my notes & see if there's anything there that I noted regarding where she said that info came from.


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check back a few posts where I posted exactly what she said.

 

[SStarr33]

In other words the judge was not going to be swayed by any circumstantial evidence no matter by how much or strong in making his decision at the hearing- only possibly direct evidence which he asked if the state had, like a direct witness who may have been in danger if they were out.

I don't think he even cared about that. All he cared about was risk of flight and danger to the community.

 

[NFYIAMY]

I have a question.
What if HE committed suicide?

What if? She parked & locked her car..... Committed suicide and as she died was able to do something with her cell phone so it would no longer ping and be impossible to find?

After having a great night out ....and no indication she was suicidal? Makes no sense to me for that to even be considered... Jmo


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[Eileen730]

Generally, bond is set once the arrest is processed, but certain individuals may have to wait for a bond hearing. If the defendant allegedly committed a crime for which no bond will be set, he will appear before a criminal court to determine a) if there will be a bond, and b) what the bond may be if a bond is issued. A court may deny bond if it thinks, among other things, that a defendant will harm himself or others or if the court thinks the defendant may be a flight risk

http://enlightenme.com/bond-hearing/

 

[NFYIAMY]

check back a few posts where I posted exactly what she said.

I can't seem to find that post? Help?


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[TTF14]

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Yes DNA was collected but the lab made an error in saying HE's DNA was found in the M's truck. That apparently was not true, but whatchagonnado? Did the DNA error form the basis of them being arrested or were those results delivered after arrest?

You still have to wonder why SM just HAD to call HE out of the blue after 1:30am that early morning of 12/18/13. What was so urgent? This wasn't a txt msg or email, this was a phone call. From a pay phone. And then you have to wonder why HE then called SM back several times and then caused herself, her car, and her phone to be at PTL, calling SM 3 more times as she arrived, literally minutes before she disappeared. You have to wonder how it is that some other random person (not SM or TM or anyone connected with them) would go to PTL at that exact same time and that other random person would decide to abduct HE and kill her and cause her to disappear. I mean what are the odds of all this bad luck happening to the Moorer's -- that HE was disappeared the same night/morning SM decides to suddenly get back in touch with her, the same night/morning that both Moorer's are out of the house?

An accident? How's that? Why was HE never found? Her phone never found? How many accident victims are never recovered and no personal effects of theirs are ever recovered?

The jury will be instructed to use their common sense in addition to all the circumstantial evidence and witness testimony.

I said something very similar on the other thread, but you said it much better.

Madeleine74 for closing arguments!!!

 

[SStarr33]

The defense in 30 min of uninterrupted argument managed to cast significant doubt. They weren't corrected or admonished or told "this isn't the place to discuss evidence." They didn't have the judge interrupting them every 3 minutes. They took advantage of the time the judge gave them and they did a great job at presenting their viewpoint. But it's just that -- the defense's viewpoint and with no cross examination or challenge. No expert witnesses. Just defense attorneys talking, saying whatever they wanted to say.

And, as it turns out, either the defense attorney was lying or SM lied to him.

 

[Eileen730]

What if? She parked & locked her car..... Committed suicide and as she died was able to do something with her cell phone so it would no longer ping and be impossible to find?

After having a great night out ....and no indication she was suicidal? Makes no sense to me for that to even be considered... Jmo



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If she went into the water it would cause the cell to stop pinging and they wouldn't find her phone.
No one knows what kind of night she had after talking to SM or TM.

She could have gotten the U Ruined OUR LIVES speech.
taken a DADDY away from his children!
How could u....
what will your mother say
What will your father say!

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

Listen guys....I think all of the circumstantial evidence leads to only one conclusion. HOWEVER....for those of you saying that circumstantial evidence is enough, or even better in some cases than DIRECT, physical evidence or DNA...i wholeheartedly disagree. Remember, for whatever mountain of circumstantial evidence that common sense leads a jury to think they are involved....the defense also can present a mountain of evidence that is circumstantial. For example...how many social media posts did Heather make in the past year that talked about getting out of Myrtle Beach or changing her life etc. I'd venture to say for every weird piece of circumstantial evidence that the state can present, the defense can present a piece that goes in the opposite direction. You can't say one sides circumstantial evidence is valid while throwing out the other sides circumstantial evidence. Thats why i say that DIRECT or PHYSICAL evidence that a crime has been committed would be needed for a conviction. And this coming from someone who wholeheartedly believes they are involved/responsible for her being missing.

 

[Motherof5]

I have a question.
What if HE committed suicide?

Considering that she just went on a first date,was getting ready to start a new job and the very happy pic that she sent her dad just hours before she was gone....I would LOVE to see anyone try to prove that.lol

 

[Motherof5]

What if? She parked & locked her car..... Committed suicide and as she died was able to do something with her cell phone so it would no longer ping and be impossible to find?

After having a great night out ....and no indication she was suicidal? Makes no sense to me for that to even be considered... Jmo


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:goodpost:

 

[Eileen730]

Hey I don't think she killed herself.

What I think is SM called HE and wanted to see and her arranged a meeting.
I think TM followed and was totally PO'd and killed her.
that's what I think happened.

But they didn't place her in their vehicles nor in Heathers own Vehicle..
So where did they take her?

 

[SStarr33]

I have a question.
What if HE committed suicide?

Since at the bond hearing, it was said they did not want to bring this up right now so as not to show disrespect to the family, I've got a feeling that is going to be one of the 5 different scenarios given by the defense.

That and that TE had something to do with it.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

I'm also having a hard time with the timeline as far as what the state contends happened. With all of the texts/phone calls...it's obvious that the Moorers initiated some contact for some reason. Then Heather goes to PTL. Here's where I have a problem. The state has what they believe is the Moorers truck heading to PTL, then returning a couple minutes later. Somewhere during that time HE's cell stops pinging. That would seem pretty telling. Except HOW in the world do you abduct or even kill someone within that short 4 minute period or whatever...and dispose of a body/cell/keys without their being a crime scene with evidence left behind. Or if they had abducted her....there is NO WAY ON EARTH that there wouldn't be at least SOME DNA of her's in that truck if they had killed her on the way back down leaving PTL. It just doesn't seem like enough time. Now...if the time line had included an hour or something i'd say thats enough time for someone that might be adept to take care of it and clean up evidence from the scene.

I DO believe they were somehow involved...but I don't see any way possible to a conviction within that timeline without SOME kind of DNA or crime scene. Anyone else have a problem with that short window?

Finally, anyone that studies suicides will tell you that almost ALL suicides aren't able to do it where they can't be found. They just don't care once they are gone. Heather's phone wasn't at PTL long enough for her to break it or throw it in the water and then go hide somewhere far enough or well enough that she'd still not be found today. I don't think even the defense would waste their time with that theory.

 

[Eileen730]

Since it was said they did not want to bring this up right now so as not to show disrespect to the family, I've got a feeling that is going to be one of the 5 different scenarios given by the defense.

That and that TE had something to do with it.

I think so also!
Not so sure about TE being involved tho. they would have a hard time with that one.

 

[SStarr33]

One of the things the jury will see is evidence that proves contact that night and morning between HE and SM.

They'll see phone records, they'll hear from HE's roommate who received a call from HE, they'll see CCTV video of SM at or near the payphone that was used to call HE after 1:30am on 12/18/13. They'll see the GPS/ping map showing the movement of HE's phone toward PTL, they'll see a black truck on video going towards PTL.

Those items and possibly more will place HE's car and HE's phone, and by inference, HE, in vicinity of the M's at or around the time she went missing from the last place her car was and which also happens to be the last place her phone transmitted from.

There may well be other evidence within that timeframe that we are unaware of at this point.

Prosecution will want to know why that call was not made in front of Tammy--seeing that they were all reconciled and that they had made a call together when calling the TK.

And if Tammy was sexting while he was calling Heather, its gonna show trouble in paradise and bolster BW saying Heather said he wanted to leave TM for her.

 

[margarita25]

What time was the payphone call made again? Tia.

 

[SStarr33]

Here is a question. Why does the prosecution need confirmation from a witness about the 95 phone calls from the Moorers to Heather's phone. Wouldn't that be on their phone record?

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

Would the defense be stupid enough to bring up something as far fetched as Terry Elvis being involved? Can you imagine any faster way to turn the jury against you than to attack or accuse the aggrieved father? I HOPE THEY DO...to me...that would piss off a jury and make them more sympathetic to the states case. At least it would me, if i were on that jury.

 

[Motherof5]

Would the defense be stupid enough to bring up something as far fetched as Terry Elvis being involved? Can you imagine any faster way to turn the jury against you than to attack or accuse the aggrieved father? I HOPE THEY DO...to me...that would piss off a jury and make them more sympathetic to the states case. At least it would me, if i were on that jury.

I think they would be that stupid. I think they will try anything.