Moorers' Bond Hearing

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  • #501
TM does not have to fake a pregnancy to have a get out of jail free card. she already has one----Its called TELL THE TRUTH!
if you are innocent of the charges against you--tell the truth--and you will get out of jail.
the fact that she has remained silent since Feb 21 and has remained in jail speaks volumes. if you are innocent why would you remain silent and stay in jail?
same goes for SM. if you are innocent speak up and tell the truth and you will get out of jail-if you are innocent of the charges against you. the fact that you refuse to talk must mean that your words will be used against you.
 
  • #502
and now maybe that her trump card has been played and did not win maybe she will start to deal with what she does have--the truth of what happened that night. in my opinion the one of the two that is the "less guilty" should now start to bargain.
you have been incarcerated since Feb 21.this is not going to go away. this is real life. so which ever one of you can turn on the other better start now. most likely one can blame the other for the crime. the clock is ticking. who will be the first to make a deal? my bet is on TM.
 
  • #503
and really,Im sorry but if this was a paid attorney and not state appointed, TM should ask for a refund. Any good Atty should know that this kind of posturing would not even pass a smell test. what a waste of tax payer dollars to go before a Judge in court with this kind of drama. did he REALLY think this argument was going to get her bonded out? because most of us regular folk here on the forum knew it was not going to happen. you mean to tell me a man with a law degree thought it was? poppycock. Was there something deeper going on that we are missing? because this was nonsense. if this atty lists TM as a client on his resume other clients will run for the door. I know Myrtle Beach is a small community but lets get real. Either TM has him completely under her spell or he is lacking some serious comprehension skills. I bet he bails before trial. If he has any morals and scruples at all that is.
 
  • #504
Tammy Caison Moorer is pregnant and in her second trimester, her attorney Greg McCollum said in court Friday.
McCollum argued that his client should be granted bond not only because of her pregnancy, but also her age during pregnancy and the stress incarceration would cause to her unborn child.

and how about this--how about requesting bond because your client is innocent of the charges against her? why fake some pregnancy to try to get out? the fact that TM has sat in jail for 3 months trying to come up with a bogus plan to get out leads me to believe that she can not get out on the truth. if I was in jail on some charges that were not true I would be screaming every day until I was released. So why isn't TM doing that? or for that matter SM? its time for one of them to turn. or for one to take the fall. some one needs to start talking.
 
  • #505
Hey everyone. :) Just wanted to drop in and post a few thoughts... :)

First -- THANKS OKIEGRANNY!

Next - couple of random thoughts --

Initially in the courtoom - I thought that TM looked 'better' than at the last hearing - and thought she had clearly been instructed to 'chill out' during the hearing and not be so casual like at the last hearing ---- that was UNTIL she decided to speak up and cut the Judge off as he was speaking!

I've tried to noodle through where her atty is in all of this. He addressed the court with a statement - something along the lines of the fact he represents defendants all the time - tries to be very honest with the court -- he can't 'always' stand up and say he feels his client is innocent - but because of the 'lack of evidence' and his 'many conversations with TM' he believes she is innocent. That tells me that TM is playing her atty? Didn't someone state somewhere there was a friendship/connection of some sort with the Caison family and this attorney? Why put his reputation in this area on the line this early on in the game with a statement like that? Was this bond attempt because he feels a heavy weight for TM's mother (lost her husband, responsible for 3 kids?). Attorneys (IMO) often take things forward for 'reasons' - such as trying to get more information - or to circumvent other things - or to posture before another defendant's attorney makes a move? I feel like he isn't an unintelligent person by any means - he had to know (and I think would have advised her UNLESS there's another reason for this hearing etc) that the judge would see right through what's going on?

TM's refusing to see an OB/GYN to confirm? Refusing normal pre-natal care? I truly think Judge John was letting them know that he's pretty unhappy that if there is a child - that this is how it's being taken care of. I think it's why he put it out there that he wants EVERYTHING that is offered to her in writing by the detention center staff - and he wants it in writing - that she refused or complied or whatever.

Does her attorney not realize how bad this looks - especially since there's not (by all evidence thus far) going to be a baby in a few months? Was this some sort of manipulation towards SM?

Court cases often become a game of chess - and that's what yesterday felt like to me?

I also wonder, how much of this was just to try and get more information out to the public, because of the gag order? I say this because her attorney referenced an 8 page memo send 'sealed' to the court and solicitor regarding this issue and the hearing. I feel like the judge and the solicitor kind of implied that he didn't need to go into the details on that memo IN COURT because they had all read it and understood it (meaning they could've had the hearing without details being put out there for the public to hear) yet her attorney clearly wanted it out there. It seems to me her attorney is not happy about this gag order - and again, is 'making a chess move' for something down the road?

I've got a little more detail on when the pregnancy tests were, etc, but none of it really makes the situation any different. One thing this 'pregnancy' has done for tm is -- she's been 'out of jail' and at hospitals quite a bit since March. I wonder if theres been any way she could have communication with family or others during these 'visits'?

Ok - just thoughts off the top of my head as I sit here and have my first cup of coffee ....and yes I said "FIRST CUP" ---- so that means if anything I wrote ^^upthere^^ doesn't make sense - you now know why! LOL
 
  • #506
Oh - one more thing:

On the 'why aren't they talking' thing....

Again - just my thoughts:

Clearly TM's attorney hasn't been privy yet - in the still very early discovery phase - of all the evidence the state has. Therefore, if I were their attorney, I think I would advise them to keep their mouths shut - as anything they say can be taken, twisted, or give up something the state possibly doesn't have?

This is a waiting game. On many levels. I think, hope and pray, that in time - there will be a lot more come to light. Until then - it's patience we all need.
 
  • #507
Sierra Lamar has not been found and now the DA is going for the death penalty!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196058&highlight=sierra+lamar

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_25792448/sierra-lamar-case-da-will-seek-death-penalty

Two years after 15-year-old Sierra LaMar disappeared on her way to her school bus stop, District Attorney Jeff Rosen announced Monday he is seeking the death penalty against the man charged with kidnapping and killing her.

IMO opinion, we are going to be stunned by the evidence when Sierra's and Heather's cases go to trial.
 
  • #508
Hoppy,

:coffeews: :cupcake: :coffeews:
Hope that helps with the caffeine fix! :loveyou:

:yourock:

:tyou:

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  • #509
Hey everyone. :) Just wanted to drop in and post a few thoughts... :)


I've got a little more detail on when the pregnancy tests were, etc, but none of it really makes the situation any different. One thing this 'pregnancy' has done for tm is -- she's been 'out of jail' and at hospitals quite a bit since March. I wonder if theres been any way she could have communication with family or others during these 'visits'?

RSBM. RE: visits, here are the visitation rules:

http://sheriff.horrycounty.org/Detention/InmateServices/Visitation.aspx
 
  • #510
Sierra Lamar has not been found and now the DA is going for the death penalty!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196058&highlight=sierra+lamar

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_25792448/sierra-lamar-case-da-will-seek-death-penalty



IMO opinion, we are going to be stunned by the evidence when Sierra's and Heather's cases go to trial.

Good point SStarr33, and there isn't a gag order in place in Sierra's case. DA Rosen has done a tremendous job of keeping control of information release.

Now that the official decision has been made, the adjudication process may slow down, but as long as the victims receive justice, that's what matters. Sierra's father, Steve LaMar, has gone on record saying so.

She's been missing since March 16, 2012.


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  • #511
Good points above. I think the attorney was trying to accomplish getting TM back in public eye, seeing her as a mom,her family there, and possibly pregnant. Also if they could make SM think she is pregnant that pretty much would clinch him staying loyal to her- hey, maybe she told SM she was pregant before all this went down- and possible to try to more info from the state. He had to know asking for bond for a pregnancy was lame.
 
  • #512
Okay going on on a limb here, I am shaped similarly to TM. Put me in a empire waste, I'm pregnant. If you consider also, the first hearing she had on the bullet proof vest under the black and white stripped shirt/dress-her size is about the same. I am MOST dismayed at the argument that HE is "missing" not murdered. This says to me, again- that TM is positive she took care to not leave clues or evidence. Which again, says pre planning. The cops were at the M's door within 24/36 hours? I'm voting plan, that she is still 100% on. THANKS HOPPY AND OKIEGRANNY again!

I am kind of confused. Are you saying you think there are no clues or evidence that show a murder occurred?
 
  • #513
This is your archive right here, beginning on Page 9. There was no broadcast of the proceedings.

Amazing work, as always OkieGranny! :loveyou:

:bow:

:drumroll:

:yourock:




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  • #514
I am kind of confused. Are you saying you think there are no clues or evidence that show a murder occurred?

I'm sure planned crimes are done so in attempt to "leave no evidence that leads to the criminal", but that's not possible- evidence is always there, often some is found. I still have a feeling in this case there is some direct evidence tying these peeps to their crime, but we'll see.
 
  • #515
IMO, she did not have a "miscarriage." She had a chemical pg.--detectable only by the level of HCG in her blood. When the HCG level stops rising, esp. in early pg.--which an HCG level of 400-ish would be--she would just have a normal period, maybe a little heavier than usual.

Most women who have (and lose) a chemical pg. don't even know they are or have been pregnant because it happens so early in the pg. Women who have been through IVF treatments have blood level HCG checked very early (what would be measured as 4-5 wks pg), and so they know when the HCG stops rising, and that they have experienced a chemical pregnancy.

I hope I stated this clearly. It's MOO, based on too many years of experience.

Above BBM: I've wondered recently if the $5000 withdrawal could have been for IVF. I wonder if she was so desperate to be pregnant, for whatever reasons she had, and I'm sure it wasn't just because she loves kids so much. MOO.

and now maybe that her trump card has been played and did not win maybe she will start to deal with what she does have--the truth of what happened that night. in my opinion the one of the two that is the "less guilty" should now start to bargain.
you have been incarcerated since Feb 21.this is not going to go away. this is real life. so which ever one of you can turn on the other better start now. most likely one can blame the other for the crime. the clock is ticking. who will be the first to make a deal? my bet is on TM.

This is what I was thinking. She is desperate to be OUT. So Plan A didn't work. I don't think it's gonna be too long before she realizes she needs to go to Plan B.
 
  • #516
What do we make of the defense saying no forensic evidence was found in the Moorers' trunk? Let's be honest, if the prosecution said they did find forensic evidence, it would be 100% believed and trusted.

He defended Moorer, with reports that Moorer's truck was taken to the forensic team, for more than 10 days. He said Moorer complied with police. He said every test was done to the vehicle and claimed no forensic evidence was found. The attorney used hair and body tissue as an example.

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24997...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
 
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  • #518
What do we make of the defense saying no forensic evidence was found in the Moorers' trunk? Let's be honest, if the prosecution said they did find forensic evidence, it would be 100% believed and trusted.



http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24997...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Hi! I'm new here, but have been lurking several months. Hope I do this correctly.

TM's lawyer says that no "forensic" evidence was found in the M's truck. Forensic means scientific evidence (such as dna, fingerprints, hair, blood) correct? That statement makes me wonder if something else (keys, clothing, cell phone) was found in the M's truck.
 
  • #519
What do we make of the defense saying no forensic evidence was found in the Moorers' trunk? Let's be honest, if the prosecution said they did find forensic evidence, it would be 100% believed and trusted.



http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24997...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

The prosecution said way back when they found evidence in one of the vehicles, in the home and on the property.

So I guess it's a he said/she said for some. I think the biggest difference is the prosecution KNOWS what they HAVE and the defense does NOT YET KNOW what they have? So one side is speaking coming from a place of tangible knowledge and the other is coming from a place of perceived knowledge?
 
  • #520
The prosecution said way back when they found evidence in one of the vehicles, in the home and on the property.

So I guess it's a he said/she said for some. I think the biggest difference is the prosecution KNOWS what they HAVE and the defense does NOT YET KNOW what they have? So one side is speaking coming from a place of tangible knowledge and the other is coming from a place of perceived knowledge?

When does the defense get access to the evidence? Could the prosecution be saying they have forensic evidence in the truck (or anything) to trip up the Moorers?
 
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