More than half teenage girls have been pregnant!

[mollymalone]

Molly the link above didn't work for me. Said "Page Not Found".

Okay, for some reason it didn't work this time for me either so I got into it this way:

http://www.correntewire.com/flds_stealing_the_schools_money_changing_texas_laws

If it doesn't work again, go to google, paste that url into the search thingy and it will come up with it, click from there and it should work.

Edited to add: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082169/
That's for the movie Child Bride of Short Creek

 

[mysteriew]

Okay, for some reason it didn't work this time for me either so I got into it this way:

http://www.correntewire.com/flds_stealing_the_schools_money_changing_texas_laws

If it doesn't work again, go to google, paste that url into the search thingy and it will come up with it, click from there and it should work.

Edited to add: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082169/
That's for the movie Child Bride of Short Creek

The article in question is titled
FLDS: Stealing the Schools' Money, Changing Texas' Laws

And the tidbits are from a comment titled
FLDS: domination, crime, the law & social conscience
Submitted by bringiton on Fri, 2008-04-25 23:23.

 

[mollymalone]

The article in question is titled
FLDS: Stealing the Schools' Money, Changing Texas' Laws

And the tidbits are from a comment titled
FLDS: domination, crime, the law & social conscience
Submitted by bringiton on Fri, 2008-04-25 23:23.

Thanks for adding that. It's amazing what kind of
information is out there on the FLDS, but not really that surprising considering there are people who've been
trying to get something done for years.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5737904.html
There also is one pregnant 13-year-old, "but most are in the 15 and 16 range at the time they
conceived," Azar said. "Some teens have multiple children.

 

[mykodiak]

Here's the exact numbers and age ranges of the children:

Texas child welfare officials released to The AP statistics of children taken into state custody from the Schleicher County polygamist sect's ranch. Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar said some numbers could change:

• Total children: 463
• Birth-2 years, girls: 49
• Birth-2 years, boys: 52
• 3-5 years, girls: 46
• 3-5 years, boys: 53
• 6-9 years, girls: 68
• 6-9 years, boys: 63
• 10-13 years, girls: 34
• 10-13 years, boys: 28
• 14-17 years, girls: 53
• 14-17 years, boys: 17

• Number of girls 14 to 17 who've been pregnant: 31

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/29/state-31-sect-girls-pregnant-or-moms/

Boy to girl ratio stays equal until the age of 14. :furious:

 

[golfmom]

Somewhere in one of the massive threads I posted a link and response from an attorney representing FLDS regarding the "lost boys" situation.

The upshot was, he didn't deny that the church removed teen boys. His argument was that the church had the right to determine the membership and that there was no protection of age in relation to membership.

 

[SewingDeb]

OH Pepper we were WAY off . . .


Of those 463 children, 250 are girls and 213 are boys. Children 13 and younger are about evenly split — 197 girls and 196 boys — but there are only 17 boys aged 14 to 17 compared with the 53 girls in that age range.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90B77NG0

From your link:
There are a total of 463 FLDS children - 250 females, 213 males - in state custody in Texas. Here is a breakdown of that count:
* 0-2: 101, 49 females, 52 males
* 3-5: 99, 46 females, 53 males
* 6-9: 131, 68 females, 63 males
* 10-13: 62, 34 females, 28 males
* 14-17: 42, 27 females, 15 males
* Disputed age: 26 females, now classified as 17 or younger.
* Two boys who turned 18 while in state custody also have voluntarily chosen to stay with younger boys.

 

[FlowerChild]

Somewhere in one of the massive threads I posted a link and response from an attorney representing FLDS regarding the "lost boys" situation.

The upshot was, he didn't deny that the church removed teen boys. His argument was that the church had the right to determine the membership and that there was no protection of age in relation to membership.

Well Geeze, it's all so clear now....that makes constantly abandoning/dumping 90% of 14-17 year old BOYS on a highway outside town OK then.......
(removing tongue from cheek)

I guess mothers who abandon their newborn infants in dumpsters and trash cans should just start telling LE and the authorities that their "Church" determined that there is no protection of AGE in relation to membership and that their "Church" had the "right" to determine that newborns can't be members.....

My Opinion

 

[Clearly Confused]

I have wondered since this first started about the number of boys. This is scary.

I an also curious about the cementery at that freak palace.

 

[mollymalone]

These women have been going on tv saying "I need the children" "We need the children" and
that's because the girls are currency within their sect.

Here's the other reason they are saying they "NEED" the children back:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/flds.openness/
To really enjoy heaven, you have to be married and you have to have your kids with
you," Walsh said. "Everything experienced on Earth will be in its more perfected form in
heaven." If you haven't learned the lessons you needed to learn on Earth, "you would have
to learn these lessons in the spirit world" before entering heaven, he said. If your children
are taken away, you may have to learn how to be a good parent in the spirit world, thereby
postponing your passage to heaven, Walsh said.

 

[Vegas Bride]

So what about the children that have been taken away from their parents and given to others to raise? Why don't the women cry out for them?
I think that in time, when the children who have been taken away have been able to readjust we will hear many of them say how happy they are that they were rescued. No, their life wont be all warm and fuzzy and wonderful, it will be a struggle, but now they will have a chance to become the people they want to be, not just a piece of property to be used by Jeffs and his cronies.

VB

 

[mollymalone]

Those who are older children who are already entrenched may choose to go back to the sect. Some might try to run away from their group foster homes.
I'm hoping that if not all of them, at least the majority of them choose to stay out. The younger children, if they're not returned to the parents, (either those at the ranch or in other states who let them be taken to Texas,) probably will adjust rather quickly with counseling. I hope that they do and that they have a better life than being a sex slave or groomed to be an abuser.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Somewhere in one of the massive threads I posted a link and response from an attorney representing FLDS regarding the "lost boys" situation.

The upshot was, he didn't deny that the church removed teen boys. His argument was that the church had the right to determine the membership and that there was no protection of age in relation to membership.

That is just despicable because by denying them "membership" they are throwing these boys out on the street in a world they know nothing about.

I saw one of the women who had run away from a similar sect and her own brother had been tossed out and had to live with her. She said he had alot of problems understanding it. (Well, who in their right mind wouldn't?)

I mean what that attorney is saying is that they have a God-given right to abandon their children at a certain age. Does anyone else in the U.S. of A. have that right? No. I don't think religion allows for child abandonment.

They ought to ask all those girls how many of them had brothers who disappeared, and then haul those Moms to jail until they speak up for their sons and nephews. Witches. They've been out now for weeks, and they are still trying to go back and crawl inside their shells instead of taking control of their lives and children. Don't they miss their sons?

It makes me so mad I could spit - I have two sons and three brothers, and love them all dearly. This case makes me crazy every time I start reading about it. :furious:

 

[LinasK]

The Associated Press
Published: April 29, 2008SAN ANTONIO, Texas: Texas child welfare officials say nearly 60 percent of the underage girls taken in a raid on a polygamist compound in west Texas either have children or are pregnant. more at link:http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/29/america/texas.php

 

[Trino]

That is just despicable because by denying them "membership" they are throwing these boys out on the street in a world they know nothing about.

I saw one of the women who had run away from a similar sect and her own brother had been tossed out and had to live with her. She said he had alot of problems understanding it. (Well, who in their right mind wouldn't?)

I mean what that attorney is saying is that they have a God-given right to abandon their children at a certain age. Does anyone else in the U.S. of A. have that right? No. I don't think religion allows for child abandonment.

They ought to ask all those girls how many of them had brothers who disappeared, and then haul those Moms to jail until they speak up for their sons and nephews. Witches. They've been out now for weeks, and they are still trying to go back and crawl inside their shells instead of taking control of their lives and children. Don't they miss their sons?

It makes me so mad I could spit - I have two sons and three brothers, and love them all dearly. This case makes me crazy every time I start reading about it. :furious:

Thank you for saying this on behalf of boys. It seems so much emphasis has been on the girls, but a mother is a mother of both sexes. How could a woman let her son(s) go and not be concerned?

 

[Leila]

Thanks for adding that. It's amazing what kind of
information is out there on the FLDS, but not really that surprising considering there are people who've been
trying to get something done for years.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5737904.html
There also is one pregnant 13-year-old, "but most are in the 15 and 16 range at the time they
conceived," Azar said. "Some teens have multiple children.

The teenage girls who are pregnant or who already have children, are not considered a child by FLDS standards. They are wives and mothers. So, there won't be any FLDS members trying to claim these girls as "their child." I can't see any FLDS man claiming, "hey you're holding my 6th wife captive."

These teens need help. I'd like to see them go to individual homes. Ideally, an older couple with college-age or beyond children, who may have room in their home for a young teen and their child/children. The teenage mother could be tutored to bring her up to her grade level, with the goal of entering high school eventually. The older couple could provide child care while the girl is in school, and help the teen mother to adapt to life outside the cult.

This type of setting would give these teenagers the more one-on-one help they need, and place them in a family situation that could help them. The homes don't necessarily have to be in the foster care system. I'm sure there's a lot of "empty nest" parents in the state of Texas who would volunteer, and once approved, make a good home for a young teen and her child, giving them a fresh start. The state could provide some educational grants to help these teens achieve goals beyond high school.

 

[jubie]

That is just despicable because by denying them "membership" they are throwing these boys out on the street in a world they know nothing about.

I saw one of the women who had run away from a similar sect and her own brother had been tossed out and had to live with her. She said he had alot of problems understanding it. (Well, who in their right mind wouldn't?)

I mean what that attorney is saying is that they have a God-given right to abandon their children at a certain age. Does anyone else in the U.S. of A. have that right? No. I don't think religion allows for child abandonment.

They ought to ask all those girls how many of them had brothers who disappeared, and then haul those Moms to jail until they speak up for their sons and nephews. Witches. They've been out now for weeks, and they are still trying to go back and crawl inside their shells instead of taking control of their lives and children. Don't they miss their sons?

It makes me so mad I could spit - I have two sons and three brothers, and love them all dearly. This case makes me crazy every time I start reading about it. :furious:

:clap: Excellent post about the lostboys, Thoughtfox, I too have a son and other young men in our family and it makes my heart ache to imagine losing any of them... how on earth could a mother allow (or father for that matter) send their child away. Makes me ill and I wish them severe punishment.

Jubie

 

[mykodiak]

SAN MARCOS, Texas - One of the hundreds of young polygamist-sect members taken into state custody gave birth Tuesday to a healthy boy while child welfare officials, state troopers and fellow sect members stood watch outside the maternity ward.

I sincerely hope this baby boy doesn't become another "lost boy" of the FLDS. Of course, since he is a "ward of the state", maybe he will be saved.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat

 

[txsvicki]

This case makes me angry every time I try to read about it or see it on TV, too. Those horrible women repulse me even if they are brainwashed. I think the men and adult women both are just evil, the men especially. I doubt if the state will let just individuals take any of the underage kids without actually becoming foster parents and going through the training. I can't see many people just suddenly wanting to become foster parents and taking in only one older troubled child either, and many older couples are already raising grandkids.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Under guard, polygamist teen has a baby boy

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/polygamist.retreat.ap/index.html

SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) -- One of the hundreds of young polygamist-sect members taken into state custody gave birth Tuesday to a healthy boy while child welfare officials, state troopers and fellow sect members stood watch outside the maternity ward

 

[Trino]

Cripes. Charge these people, and do it now!

The men IMO are pedophiles. I don't have much empathy for the women either. How can they say they love their children so much but allow molestation and abandonment of these same childen?