More than half teenage girls have been pregnant!

[mykodiak]

I seriously doubt LE is going to rush into anything. They will make sure they have an ironclad case before they charge anybody with anything.

 

[mysteriew]

I seriously doubt LE is going to rush into anything. They will make sure they have an ironclad case before they charge anybody with anything.

I agree. I don't think they will rush into anything, and they would be fools if they did. I think they will still be waiting on the DNA, then reviewing the DNA along with the genealogy and the marriage records for quite a while. (I think they will go after incest charges)

One of the major hurdles they have to overcome is to prove that each person is who they (authorities) say they are, prove their ages, and then prove their crimes. For them to say that adult Jimmy "spiritually married" minor Susie, then Susie standing up and saying my name is Sarah and I am 18, it could blow their whole case.

I read that when they took the DNA, they assigned a number to each child, took a picture of the child and put the number on it, put the number on the DNA sample and they tried to obtain as much info as possible about the child. The same would have been done for each alleged parent. So if Susie stands up and says "no, I am Sarah" the difference in names won't have quite the same impact because they will have pictures and the samples will have been tracked by number instead of a name. Now they just need to connect the persons with each marital and geneology record.

I also think the charges will come in small groups at first, three or four at a time. Then it may pick up.

 

[philamena]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90B44QO0

31 of 53 teen girls at FLDS ranch are pregnant or had baby

So where are the naysayers now?
The number of pregnant teens makes me sick.
Those teens should have been attending high school and going to ball games were used as sex slave baby making machines by old psycho men who used religion as an excuse! bleckkkkkkkkk

 

[LinasK]

These teens need help. I'd like to see them go to individual homes. Ideally, an older couple with college-age or beyond children, who may have room in their home for a young teen and their child/children. The teenage mother could be tutored to bring her up to her grade level, with the goal of entering high school eventually. The older couple could provide child care while the girl is in school, and help the teen mother to adapt to life outside the cult.

This type of setting would give these teenagers the more one-on-one help they need, and place them in a family situation that could help them. The homes don't necessarily have to be in the foster care system. I'm sure there's a lot of "empty nest" parents in the state of Texas who would volunteer, and once approved, make a good home for a young teen and her child, giving them a fresh start. The state could provide some educational grants to help these teens achieve goals beyond high school.

Excellent idea Leila!:clap:

 

[LinasK]

Under guard, polygamist teen has a baby boy

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/polygamist.retreat.ap/index.html

SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) -- One of the hundreds of young polygamist-sect members taken into state custody gave birth Tuesday to a healthy boy while child welfare officials, state troopers and fellow sect members stood watch outside the maternity ward

Hopefully the girl didn't have to have a silent birth and could scream her head off as much as she needed or got an epidural for the pain!

This is one baby who won't be waterboarded!

 

[Pepper]

Under guard, polygamist teen has a baby boy

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/polygamist.retreat.ap/index.html

SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) -- One of the hundreds of young polygamist-sect members taken into state custody gave birth Tuesday to a healthy boy while child welfare officials, state troopers and fellow sect members stood watch outside the maternity ward

Wonder if she was given pain meds or if she was allowed to scream?

 

[Pepper]

LinasK we were posting the same thing at the same time!

 

[LinasK]

LinasK we were posting the same thing at the same time!

Great minds think alike!

 

[cheko1]

So where are the naysayers now?
The number of pregnant teens makes me sick.
Those teens should have been attending high school and going to ball games were used as sex slave baby making machines by old psycho men who used religion as an excuse! bleckkkkkkkkk

Hubby heard on the radio this morning the older kids had never watched TV before & one of there famorite shows is American Idol. Can you imagine never watching TV? Wow them parents are total azzes!!!!

 

[LinasK]

Hubby heard on the radio this morning the older kids had never watched TV before & one of there famorite shows is American Idol. Can you imagine never watching TV? Wow them parents are total azzes!!!!

I sure hope the TV sets are turned on and the kids get to see stuff like this. Not all TV is bad, there are also educational shows for kids. It will open up their minds.

P.S. American Idol is a favorite in our household too. Especially for the 7-year-old!

 

[Leila]

Here's an interesting article on the birth of a baby boy to one of the FLDS teens in state custody. The state says she's under 18, while the FLDS, who identified her as Pamela Jeffs, says she's 18. But they do admit that she's got a 16-month-old child too.

Of particular interest is the comment at the end of the article by a local pilot.............

Eldorado pilot J.D. Doyle said between 60 and 80 people can usually be seen from the air working on the ranch during the day. On Tuesday, however, not a single person was out.
"It's just barren," he said.


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9103069

 

[mysteriew]

Here's an interesting article on the birth of a baby boy to one of the FLDS teens in state custody. The state says she's under 18, while the FLDS, who identified her as Pamela Jeffs, says she's 18. But they do admit that she's got a 16-month-old child too.

Of particular interest is the comment at the end of the article by a local pilot.............

Eldorado pilot J.D. Doyle said between 60 and 80 people can usually be seen from the air working on the ranch during the day. On Tuesday, however, not a single person was out.
"It's just barren," he said.


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9103069

The article says that the 40 women who went to the shelter are now back in the compound. I wish the state would discuss that. I am not sure if it is true, or just a FLDS claim. If they left, I hope the state investigates and tries to find out if they had received any threats or just why they did leave.

 

[Moe]

I would like to know how many DNA tests the men have taken, can't find any updates on this. Are they all gone?

 

[FlowerChild]

The article says that the 40 women who went to the shelter are now back in the compound. I wish the state would discuss that. I am not sure if it is true, or just a FLDS claim. If they left, I hope the state investigates and tries to find out if they had received any threats or just why they did leave.

The woman of the FLDS are NOT GOING TO LEAVE the FLDS while CPS has their kids. They have no money, no job and no HOME if they leave and the FLDS is certainly NOT going to get lawyers for a woman who has LEFT the FLDS. The FLDS is holding the Mothers Hostage with their kids - something they have done for 100 years. Sure, ANYONE can leave...you just don't get to take your kids with you when you do.

The FLDS Moms will stay with the FLDS - and frankly, I think that they will abandon their children before they will leave the only life they have ever known. they fear "Hell" more than they fear anything CPS or the LAW can do to them. The FLDS Leadership is going to use every resource they have to MAKE SURE not a single mother from YFZ "turns traitor". The woman may not realize it, but they actually hold all the power in this game - but I am also certain that "keeping sweet" does not allow a woman to leverage this advantage....so most of the women would NEVER think that way - it would never occur to them.

Ahh, it will just take ONE WOMAN with a spine - one woman who has a spark of independence that hasn't been beaten and "controlled" out of her. Just one woman who doesn't "feel sweet". One woman from the YFZ group could literally take down the whole FLDS single handedly.

My opinion

 

[Moe]

The woman of the FLDS are NOT GOING TO LEAVE the FLDS while CPS has their kids. They have no money, no job and no HOME if they leave and the FLDS is certainly NOT going to get lawyers for a woman who has LEFT the FLDS. The FLDS is holding the Mothers Hostage with their kids - something they have done for 100 years. Sure, ANYONE can leave...you just don't get to take your kids with you when you do.

The FLDS Moms will stay with the FLDS - and frankly, I think that they will abandon their children before they will leave the only life they have ever known. they fear "Hell" more than they fear anything CPS or the LAW can do to them. The FLDS Leadership is going to use every resource they have to MAKE SURE not a single mother from YFZ "turns traitor". The woman may not realize it, but they actually hold all the power in this game - but I am also certain that "keeping sweet" does not allow a woman to leverage this advantage....so most of the women would NEVER think that way - it would never occur to them.

Ahh, it will just take ONE WOMAN with a spine - one woman who has a spark of independence that hasn't been beaten and "controlled" out of her. Just one woman who doesn't "feel sweet". One woman from the YFZ group could literally take down the whole FLDS single handedly.

My opinion

That would take a miracle, but miracles do happen!

 

[mysteriew]

The woman of the FLDS are NOT GOING TO LEAVE the FLDS while CPS has their kids. They have no money, no job and no HOME if they leave and the FLDS is certainly NOT going to get lawyers for a woman who has LEFT the FLDS. The FLDS is holding the Mothers Hostage with their kids - something they have done for 100 years. Sure, ANYONE can leave...you just don't get to take your kids with you when you do.

The FLDS Moms will stay with the FLDS - and frankly, I think that they will abandon their children before they will leave the only life they have ever known. they fear "Hell" more than they fear anything CPS or the LAW can do to them. The FLDS Leadership is going to use every resource they have to MAKE SURE not a single mother from YFZ "turns traitor". The woman may not realize it, but they actually hold all the power in this game - but I am also certain that "keeping sweet" does not allow a woman to leverage this advantage....so most of the women would NEVER think that way - it would never occur to them.

Ahh, it will just take ONE WOMAN with a spine - one woman who has a spark of independence that hasn't been beaten and "controlled" out of her. Just one woman who doesn't "feel sweet". One woman from the YFZ group could literally take down the whole FLDS single handedly.

My opinion

I agree about the one woman. One woman leaving and staying away right now would be a huge example for the other women. And would also be a huge morale booster for the other women. They would shun her, but I think that secretly they would be cheering her on and looking up at her.

 

[jubie]

I agree about the one woman. One woman leaving and staying away right now would be a huge example for the other women. And would also be a huge morale booster for the other women. They would shun her, but I think that secretly they would be cheering her on and looking up at her.

I love the passion both you and FC post about the FLDS but on this note I sadly have to disagree because we've already seen women leave and try their best to get other women to leave and see how victimized they are but still almost all stay.


J.

 

[yolorado]

I also found there was a movie made about the FLDS and the practice of underage girls. I never heard about this film. Does anyone remember it?

A 1981 made-for-TV film Child Bride of Short Creek starring Helen Hunt, Dee Wallace and Diane Lane exposed the tyranny and exploitation to wide notice, an uproar that just as quickly faded.

That was a good movie. Diane Lane was very young, and did quite a good job.

(Oh, and thanks to all for the 'welcome' comments in the older thread.)

 

[yolorado]

The girls must become invisible when they get pregnant, since none of those women interviewed by Larry King had seen or known of young, pregnant or married teens.
Susan

That's probably because they are not seen as 'teens.' They're 'adults.' After all, they're married 'women.' It's all in the definition of words. There's obviously a cultural difference which extends to the dictionary, among other societal differences. Apparently, if stories of escapees, or in some cases testimony in open court, hold any credence, 'caring' FLDS mothers also don't see, or care about, the tears their daughters cry on the way to or at their weddings, or can't or won't hear the objections and pleadings of their daughters when they beg not to be forced to marry or object to being raped afterwards.

 

[FlowerChild]

I love the passion both you and FC post about the FLDS but on this note I sadly have to disagree because we've already seen women leave and try their best to get other women to leave and see how victimized they are but still almost all stay.
J.

The devil you know is always preferable to the devil you don't know.

100 years of being "bred" for obedience and compliance will create a group that never questions and always accepts the status quo. The women who don't "fit" leave and the ones that do fit stay and have 10 children. The FLDS gets rid of ANYONE who doesn't subjugate easily - members who "think" or "question" or "defy" are quickly shoved out. I am sure that personality wise the majority are very much followers and the "training" basically enhances this. Plus, I get the idea that IQ-Wise these folks are GENERALLY very "average" or low average - education beyond 8th grade is rare and a thirst for knowledge is PUNISHED, not encouraged. They don't even READ (there are only 10 books total approved to read), they watch no TV, no news, no movies, no DVD's - they hear no music, read no newspapers, magazines or books, they don't "create", they don't have art, nor are they exposed to any. The girls learn to garden, cook, sew, clean and care for children, the boys learn to farm and do construction. Their life as a long trail of obedience and following and working at menial, repetitive tasks. And the LEADERSHIP wants/demands it that way - they don't want followers who question them - and so they "remove" those who dissent or are smarter than the average.

I look at it and see a "Breeding Operation" - maybe a dairy farm, where girls are desired and boys are unwanted...(you only need one or two BULLS, after all). You breed selectively for the sweetest, most compliant, cooperative "high-producing" females. Soon you keep ONLY the cows that work best for your operation and you keep breeding back to the same lines to select for those same qualities. You get the cows pregnant very young and from then on you keep "milking" them until they can't produce any more. And the BOYS? Well they are used to increase your "cash flow" because they get sold out for "veal".

It just takes ONE WOMAN (or girl) from the YFZ Ranch to break the FLDS and perhaps there is still one there with the "right stuff". Even when you think you have bred very carefully for the perfect offspring, a mutation or a throw-back slips in and ruins everything. Somewhere in the FLDS history there is a smart pioneer woman with a constitution of steel and drive to push the envelope and forge new territory. A woman NOT accepting of the status quo OR the control of a man. I PRAY that that legacy lives strong in a woman from the YFZ and that she gets a revelation - not like the abominations Warren Jeffs is always blabbing about - but a REAL ONE - from GOD!

My Opinion