Motion to Take Deposition to Perpetuate Testimony of Jill Kerley

[notthatsmart]

BBM

Yes! Let's! And then, let's see them place Caylee in RK's possession. And let's see them place RK in possession of KC's car. And let's see them place RK in the A home to gain possession of the Pooh blanket, pull ups, trash bags, laundry bags, and Henkle duct tape. And let's see them transform RK into a Hispanic woman named ZFG who is a "10". MOO

I think I covered all this in one of my theories in the what happened to Caylee after June 16th thread. As far as the duct tape though, I think that is what this Jk depo is all about. I think Sparrks covers duct tape as well. Does anyone know Sparrks initials so I can use initials instead of name? Moo

 

[sleutherontheside]

I am glad you asked. I do believe it is smart to make this move. It could create reasonable doubt in the juries minds. They don't have to prove that Rk did it. They only have to raise reasonable doubt. It is Sa job to prove who did it.

I am not aware of any motions to implicate Rm, Tl, Ah or any others as a suspect with the same amount of circumstantial evidence as their client. Only Rk that I know of. Were those early in the case before they knew about Rk? Moo

You know.....there weren't any formal motions other than to ask for analysis of RM's computer. But public statements made by family in interviews about JG and his family......then all the email traffic between the Anthony's and their "PI's" trying to tie something into AH and RM and heroin........Do I really need to list more examples? THe comment about duct tape was made in a second interview (NOT deposition) with a person that had failed to report their concerns to LE prior to being contacted by the "Defense Investigative Team". There is no defense attorney that should place that much weight and importance of testimony on ONE party. If they do......then they aren't doing their job IMO. Which brings up a good point. I noticed that the Honorable Stan Strickland elicited a confirmation from KC today that she was "satisfied with her representation". Smart move on his part.

 

[chefmom]

I think I covered all this in one of my theories in the what happened to Caylee after June 16th thread. As far as the duct tape though, I think that is what this Jk depo is all about. I think Sparrks covers duct tape as well. Does anyone know Sparrks initials so I can use initials instead of name? Moo

I THINK her name starts with a 'C' and rhymes with "bristol". Doesn't that sound right? :waitasec:

 

[Cat13067]

I am glad you asked. I do believe it is smart to make this move. It could create reasonable doubt in the juries minds. They don't have to prove that Rk did it. They only have to raise reasonable doubt. It is Sa job to prove who did it.

I am not aware of any motions to implicate Rm, Tl, Ah or any others as a suspect with the same amount of circumstantial evidence as their client. Only Rk that I know of. Were those early in the case before they knew about Rk? Moo

What exactly would cause reasonable doubt in the mind of a juror with regard to RK? I'm puzzled that a scorned ex-wife who broke the law herself would have any crediability with the jury. If in fact RK ex-wife was duct taped why didn't she press charges against RK? Do the math it just doesn't add up to RK having anything to do with CA's murder. This man is a hero for finding this baby which is more than anyone else was able to do.

 

[notthatsmart]

You know.....there weren't any formal motions other than to ask for analysis of RM's computer. But public statements made by family in interviews about JG and his family......then all the email traffic between the Anthony's and their "PI's" trying to tie something into AH and RM and heroin........Do I really need to list more examples? THe comment about duct tape was made in a second interview (NOT deposition) with a person that had failed to report their concerns to LE prior to being contacted by the "Defense Investigative Team". There is no defense attorney that should place that much weight and importance of testimony on ONE party. If they do......then they aren't doing their job IMO. Which brings up a good point. I noticed that the Honorable Stan Strickland elicited a confirmation from KC today that she was "satisfied with her representation". Smart move on his part.

Yeah I believe that Ca and company did speculate about a lot of things. As Ga said in his depo. We were coming up with all kinds of senario's . None of this was done by Kc though. This is just the parents not knowing what is going on. They prolly wanted Rm's computer to see if he had searched chloroform for his avatar on my space or something like that. Just to clear up any searches.

I have always been suspicious of RK and just want it cleared up. I think they know a lot about Rk that they believe the public has a right to know. Perhaps Js feels the same way. Lets get it all out on the table. Kc should be satisfied. She has an excellent defense team. I trully believe they are sandbagging and it is part of their strategy. It is going to be volley fire come trial time. Moo

Ps there is no way Jb can be that clumsy.

 

[Cat13067]

Yeah I believe that Ca and company did speculate about a lot of things. As Ga said in his depo. We were coming up with all kinds of senario's . None of this was done by Kc though. This is just the parents not knowing what is going on. They prolly wanted Rm's computer to see if he had searched chloroform for his avatar on my space or something like that. Just to clear up any searches.

I have always been suspicious of RK and just want it cleared up. I think they know a lot about Rk that they believe the public has a right to know. Perhaps Js feels the same way. Lets get it all out on the table. Kc should be satisfied. She has an excellent defense team. I trully believe they are sandbagging and it is part of their strategy. It is going to be volley fire come trial time. Moo

Ps there is no way Jb can be that clumsy.

Don't you think the prosecution team has investigated RK? If there was anything on this man it would have been turned over to the defense long ago.

P.S. JB looked very clumsy in court today when he dropped his papers all over the floor. Maybe he should spring for a binder.

 

[cyberborg]

I agree with the Judge to just get this matter cleared up, but I think that deposing Jk under oath is going to open a whole new can of worms. They were only married 4 months and that speaks for itself. There may be police records of domestic disputes. This is the first link in the daisy chain of depositions to follow imo. Lets depose Jk, Lets depose both Sparks, lets depose the ex girlfriends daughter, lets depose the ex girlfriend that was allegedly kidnapped, lets depose his current girlfriend, then lets bring Rk back to do the other half of his deposition. As always Moo

Yes, they can do that for the next 5 years and investigate away, IMHO but where does that get them?

There needs to be 'connections' to Caylee and the A's --- they are off down a rabbit hole that has no connections IMO -- just goes to RK's past but no connections to the actual murder of Caylee. Distraction.

 

[notthatsmart]

What exactly would cause reasonable doubt in the mind of a juror with regard to RK? I'm puzzled that a scorned ex-wife who broke the law herself would have any crediability with the jury. If in fact RK ex-wife was duct taped why didn't she press charges against RK? Do the math it just doesn't add up to RK having anything to do with CA's murder. This man is a hero for finding this baby which is more than anyone else was able to do.

I think women who are victims of these type of crimes are terrified. She was prolly just glad to get divorced after 4 months and get him out of her life. Many of these victims go without calling the police or pressing charges due to fear for their lives or family members lives. She may be in fear right now. If I were her, I would get a restraining order right now. He has contacted other ex family members. I see her as a victim and I am going to support her as such. I do not believe for a second that this has anything to do with an ax to grind over a 4 month marriage. She may be helping us as a society to beware of what she says is a dangerous man. Moo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I agree with the Judge to just get this matter cleared up, but I think that deposing Jk under oath is going to open a whole new can of worms. They were only married 4 months and that speaks for itself. There may be police records of domestic disputes. This is the first link in the daisy chain of depositions to follow imo. Lets depose Jk, Lets depose both Sparks, lets depose the ex girlfriends daughter, lets depose the ex girlfriend that was allegedly kidnapped, lets depose his current girlfriend, then lets bring Rk back to do the other half of his deposition. As always Moo

Why? Why depose all of these people? There is zero evidence connecting Kronk to anything. Why not just depose everyone who has ever driven past where the body was found. Get real!

 

[cyberborg]

I am glad you asked. I do believe it is smart to make this move. It could create reasonable doubt in the juries minds. They don't have to prove that Rk did it. They only have to raise reasonable doubt. It is Sa job to prove who did it.

I am not aware of any motions to implicate Rm, Tl, Ah or any others as a suspect with the same amount of circumstantial evidence as their client. Only Rk that I know of. Were those early in the case before they knew about Rk? Moo

Doesn't reasonable doubt have to be reasonable? If all they have is a bad marriage (relationships) and the use of duct tape on an adult's wrists then there are 100's of like suspects.

We need to consider a set of scales and all of the tie-ins to KC and her bad acts versus RK's un-related bad acts --- it is currently like a huge bag of potatoes, squirrels, pizza and, a pig with cheese on KC's side versus a feather on RK's!!!!

 

[notthatsmart]

Don't you think the prosecution team has investigated RK? If there was anything on this man it would have been turned over to the defense long ago.

P.S. JB looked very clumsy in court today when he dropped his papers all over the floor. Maybe he should spring for a binder.

I don't think they have investigated. Sounds to me like they are going to this deposition. They even asked the defense to pay their cost.

P.s Jb is doing a good job of making everybody think he is clumsy. Hope no one around here is playing into that act. I believe it is an act. He's good. That time he upset Ja in court and asked him if he was okay, he had that Columbo smirk on his face. Moo

 

[Cat13067]

I think women who are victims of these type of crimes are terrified. She was prolly just glad to get divorced after 4 months and get him out of her life. Many of these victims go without calling the police or pressing charges due to fear for their lives or family members lives. She may be in fear right now. If I were her, I would get a restraining order right now. He has contacted other ex family members. I see her as a victim and I am going to support her as such. I do not believe for a second that this has anything to do with an ax to grind over a 4 month marriage. She may be helping us as a society to beware of what she says is a dangerous man. Moo

I agree with you with regard to woman being victims of abuse, however if she was truly fighting for women she would have filed charges against him. Keeping quiet does not solve abuse it just allows the abuser to abuse their next victim.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I think women who are victims of these type of crimes are terrified. She was prolly just glad to get divorced after 4 months and get him out of her life. Many of these victims go without calling the police or pressing charges due to fear for their lives or family members lives. She may be in fear right now. If I were her, I would get a restraining order right now. He has contacted other ex family members. I see her as a victim and I am going to support her as such. I do not believe for a second that this has anything to do with an ax to grind over a 4 month marriage. She may be helping us as a society to beware of what she says is a dangerous man. Moo

I think Roy Kronk was glad to get out of that marriage and I applaud him for moving on with his life despite the horrible stigma he will have to live with. Failed marriages are often looked upon poorly in our society, but Roy had the conviction to be true to himself and the courage to keep working every day and keep the positive momentum in his life going. It can't be easy with ex wives of questionable moral fiber (felons) making him out to be a monster. I hope Roy gets a restraining order to keep himself safe from vengeance-seeking exes. I support him as a victim and I won't stand idly by to watch him be made out to be a patsy.

 

[cyberborg]

Yeah I believe that Ca and company did speculate about a lot of things. As Ga said in his depo. We were coming up with all kinds of senario's . None of this was done by Kc though. This is just the parents not knowing what is going on. They prolly wanted Rm's computer to see if he had searched chloroform for his avatar on my space or something like that. Just to clear up any searches.

I have always been suspicious of RK and just want it cleared up. I think they know a lot about Rk that they believe the public has a right to know. Perhaps Js feels the same way. Lets get it all out on the table. Kc should be satisfied. She has an excellent defense team. I trully believe they are sandbagging and it is part of their strategy. It is going to be volley fire come trial time. Moo

Ps there is no way Jb can be that clumsy.

BBM.

Keep the faith!!! The Defense badly need some supporters and support since most of the experts and supporters have left the sinking ship and there are only some remaining rodents (squirrels?) who are trying to find something to float away on before it goes down completely with a final plea.

We shall see. I guess JB wasn't on form today and was hiding his true persona, so AL just didn't see it as she was frowning at him.........

 

[notthatsmart]

Doesn't reasonable doubt have to be reasonable? If all they have is a bad marriage (relationships) and the use of duct tape on an adult's wrists then there are 100's of like suspects.

We need to consider a set of scales and all of the tie-ins to KC and her bad acts versus RK's un-related bad acts --- it is currently like a huge bag of potatoes, squirrels, pizza and, a pig with cheese on KC's side versus a feather on RK's!!!!

I guess I see duct taping your wifes wrist as horrific. Didn't realize it was so common. Gosh I hope not. I do not believe it will be a feather, but I do agree with the scale thing. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk and I posted it in the Rk thread. And yes, I agree it has to be reasonable. They will prolly looking for a way to tie Rk to Kc through a 3rd party of some sort. The depositions may help them to do that. Moo

 

[cyberborg]

I guess I see duct taping your wifes wrist as horrific. Didn't realize it was so common. Gosh I hope not. I do not believe it will be a feather, but I do agree with the scale thing. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk and I posted it in the Rk thread. And yes, I agree it has to be reasonable. They will prolly looking for a way to tie Rk to Kc through a 3rd party of some sort. The depositions may help them to do that. Moo

:waitasec: O'Town's Finest?

 

[Cat13067]

I don't think they have investigated. Sounds to me like they are going to this deposition. They even asked the defense to pay their cost.

P.s Jb is doing a good job of making everybody think he is clumsy. Hope no one around here is playing into that act. I believe it is an act. He's good. That time he upset Ja in court and asked him if he was okay, he had that Columbo smirk on his face. Moo

Smirks do not make an attorney win cases. The truth always wins out in the end. JB will find that out when the trial begins.

 

[TorisMom003]

There is no proof that Kronk ever duct taped his ex-wifes hands. There is no proof that Kronk uses Henkle duct tape. There is no proof that Kronk even knew of Casey or Caylee before finding Caylee's body in the woods. There is no proof that ties Kronk to the trunk of Casey's car. There is no proof that ties Kronk to being inside the Anthony home to get the blanket, laundry bag, duct tape or trash bags. There is nothing there that ties Kronk to this murder at all.

Kronk had no means, motive or opportunity to kill Caylee.

Casey would NOT have covered for Kronk if Kronk was the person that "took Caylee". Casey is not that nice of a person to cover for a complete stranger.

IF the defense had any proof that Casey was innocent of the charges filed against her she and her defense would have handed over that proof ASAP so that Casey would not have to sit in jail for over a year. That is just common sense to me. Casey never reported Caylee missing. Casey never showed an ounce of concern over her daughter. Casey lived the good life until her mother made her face her parents and eventually LE as to the whereabouts of Caylee. Casey had means, motive and opportunity to kill Caylee.

So I don't see how a deposition of an angry ex wife of a concerned meter reader has any bearing on this case at all. It would be one thing if there was proof of a pattern with Kronk and that pattern was repeated in Caylee's death, however, that is not the case.

MOO

 

[jjenny]

What reason would she have not to report the child missing if the child was taken by a stranger? Instead she tells a story of the child being taken by the nanny.
Of course the defense lawyers would try to come up with other suspects.

 

[Bobbisangel]

The World According, I agree with this statement of yours:

"The defense admits they have no evidence against Mr. Kronk, only a theory that he should have been investigated. They could say the same about Joy, or mom or pop or anyone and then bring in someone from their distant past to find similarities somehow to the crime. I hope the judge does not even entertain this motion."

BBM It would be outrageous to allow this as any kind of evidence against RK. This is, afterall, a court of law. IMHO, what Jill Kerley has to say is just mean gossip about an ex. I can't believe defense is allowed to use such tactics.

I've read that the couple weren't married very long. I would like some proof that he was abusive....not just her word for it. He might have kicked her out and this is her way of getting back at him. If he did put tape on her mouth maybe it was because she wouldn't keep it shut...just kidding. I really do think there should be proof that he actually did abuse her before she is allowed to come into court and say things that may not be true. She could be just a spitefull ex-wife.