Motion to Take Deposition to Perpetuate Testimony of Jill Kerley

[LambChop]

Only thing I can think of right now is in the CS statement, she says that Rk father called her to help get Rk out of jail after he was arressted on kinapping charges. He told her that they found handcuffs and duct tape in his car. So there is duct tape incident #2. There should be records of such, but am not sure if they retain police logs and reports after a Grand Jury expunges them. Moo

Bounty hunters have handcuffs, duct tape, and a gun. Still does not make him a suspect. My husband was a PI for twenty years and carried all these items in his car. Of course I always behaved myself so there was no need to duct tape my hands. LOL But seriously if he had apprehended a suspect and there was interference from a third party who threatened him the next best thing to handcuffs is duct tape.

So this is probably the reason the charges were dropped. They just did not have all the information when they placed RK under arrest. Just being arrested does not mean you are guilty and RK did not have to tell anyone because the records were expunged, we might never have known about this. Some times it just does not pay to be honest. JMO

 

[RR0004]

Good point, but Jb didn't find the body with 200 mile an hour duct tape on it.. Moo

How do you know he didn't find the body first? Didn't he not want the body's location known? (was that a double negative...lol)

Just curious NTS...who did you think killed little Caylee before RK found her body? I mean all the evidence prior to Dec. 11th seemed to be directly pointed at Casey...and the invisible nanny...for what...the lack of anyone else? It seems to me that you were waiting for someone to show up to take the heat off Casey. JMO

 

[marspiter]

I am not sure how the depo thing works. Do you have to get a Judges permission first? If so, do you need a statement first to get him to agree to a deposition first? I think they were just doing in order so they could legally depose her.

Not sure if they released these to the press or if this was actually part of the motion to implicate Rk and the links were given to the Judge. The first day I saw the video was the same day as the motion. I am really happy the Judge is allowing these depo's. We can now clear this matter up. If there's nothing there, then there is nothing to worry about for the majority view. Moo

Well for starters a legal depo has to be taken under oath for it to be admissible as evidence. JK's "comments" were not taken under oath so it wasn't really a depo. To my knowledge I suppose the defense can depose anyone they want if the "witness" agrees. If they don't agree the defense would have to get the judge to order the depo with a motion. Kinda like how DC is fighting to be deposed by the state. However it may or may not be admissible in court as evidence come trial time.

I personally don't see where JK's statement can be upheld as fact with out any kind of other evidence especially given her past record and relationship to RK. So to me if she is deposed legally and under oath I just don't see her comments being allowed in as evidence. That and her deposition would be a pretty big stretch in showing relevance on the case. Considering RK was never a suspect or POI. Granted some posters on web forums may have the opinion he should be, but in the eyes of LE and the SA he never was. Maybe if RK was a POI or a suspect I could understand it's relevance and admission into evidence but since he's not...well JK's testimony isn't really relevant imho.

 

[LambChop]

Since JK is in another state can the judge order her to give testimony? To be honest I would be surprised if she does go through with the deposition.

 

[Cat13067]

I don't want to get into GA gas can duct tape, but the last doc dump the Fbi said the fabric is disimiliar that is consistent with coming from a different source/roll. So there is no match. IMO I have looked at all the evidence that I can find and I find my argument that she is not guilty of premeditated murder to be very strong. Rk is a very important witness in this case. Jk will help to impeach him. The defense has the right to impeach a witness as does the prosecution. By the time the defense is done with Rk, the Jury may have a very hard time believing anything he says, including the body was there in August. Moo

I read the last doc dump also, and never read that the duct tapes were disimilar. If you can provide a link I would appreciate it. I too have read all the evidence and read all the testimonies from all the witnesses, and I feel KC is guilty of murdering Caylee.

Are you saying that RK is a witness, body snatcher, or murderer?

 

[Cat13067]

I wonder if RK can sue JK for defamation. JM might be available to take on his case, since he done such an outstanding job for ZFG.

 

[marspiter]

If RK can sue JK for defamation I wonder if JB can also be in trouble for dissemination of said defamatory material. They didn't release a legal depo taken under oath and released via the sunshine laws. JB and co. disseminated unverified comments into the national media on there own accord and not in compliance of any law.

 

[Cat13067]

If RK can sue JK for defamation I wonder if JB can also be in trouble for dissemination of said defamatory material. They didn't release a legal depo taken under oath and released via the sunshine laws. JB and co. disseminated unverified comments into the national media on there own accord and not in compliance of any law.

Excellent point! I smell a lawsuit in the wind.

 

[Phumi]

Good point, but Jb didn't find the body with 200 mile an hour duct tape on it.. Moo

But this just proves that Jill K. was part of a conspiracy with the defense to frame RK.
Jill knew RK had looked for Caylee.
She told the defense, who already knew where Caylee's remains were because KC told them. And they knew about the tape.
So, the defense sends the the PI's to plant the body--that's when they made the video.
RK finds Caylee--Just like they planned!!!!!!!!!
Jill makes up the duct tape story.
RK is thrown under the bus.

Well, there! I've solved this whole RK, Jill K business. And it's a story any good conspiracy theorist will appreciate.


MOO

 

[kaRN]

Ok so we have some hearsay evidence about Rk. Hearsay evidence that is tied to the kidnapping that RK was not guilty of and had expunged from his record. Still nothing that is tied directly too any of JK's claims.

So once again nothing can verify JK's claims. As far as duct tape being in his car. Well that is a pretty common item to keep in your vehicle. I have a roll in my trunk right now with my jumper box and ratchet set. To me this is all just reaching and seriously so.

I also find in interesting that the Sparks and JK weren't given actual depo's under oath by the defense. Instead they edited these non under oath statements and released them on youtube. So the statements they make are as meaningful to this case as random posts on a place like topix.

It's all spaghetti and some people are just eating it up IMO. Not many, just a few here and there. The unreasonable doubt brigade who've lost touch with the fact that a small child, possibly the soul who would grow to discover the cure for AIDS was snuffed out and left for trash.
They like to talk about daisy chains which eventually lead to depositions of every single person on earth who ever owned a roll of duct tape or went to Disneyworld.

Casey is so worth it. Her life was just that meaningful. :sick:

 

[denjet]

I wonder if RK can sue JK for defamation. JM might be available to take on his case, since he done such an outstanding job for ZFG.

I think he can and should ... he's had his life turned upside since finding Caylee and now he's accused of being a suspect ... he should sue to clear his name and clear the cloud of suspicion that's followed him since his discovery ...

When the defense came up with Roy's ex's statements, the first thing I thought about was what I had in the trunk of my car ... if I lived in Orlando I probably would have run to my car to remove the duct tape, nylon ties, superglue and razor knife I keep in trunk ... you just never know what you could be accused of ... probably a box cutter in the compartment is not a good idea either, huh?

 

[sleutherontheside]

It's all spaghetti and some people are just eating it up IMO. Not many, just a few here and there. The unreasonable doubt brigade who've lost touch with the fact that a small child, possibly the soul who would grow to discover the cure for AIDS was snuffed out and left for trash.
They like to talk about daisy chains which eventually lead to depositions of every single person on earth who ever owned a roll of duct tape or went to Disneyworld.

Casey is so worth it. Her life was just that meaningful. :sick:

I am having spaghetti for dinner but I am not "shwallowing" any of the spaghetti being served by the defense team.
I appreciate their willingness to try new recipes and to incorporate spaghetti into their "menu" but that doesn't mean that I will find any of it palatable.

 

[Cat13067]

I am having spaghetti for dinner but I am not "shwallowing" any of the spaghetti being served by the defense team.
I appreciate their willingness to try new recipes and to incorporate spaghetti into their "menu" but that doesn't mean that I will find any of it palatable.

LOL I too am having spaghetti for dinner. I agree with you I ain't "schwalling" anything served on the defense menu.

 

[ZsaZsa]

If RK can sue JK for defamation I wonder if JB can also be in trouble for dissemination of said defamatory material. They didn't release a legal depo taken under oath and released via the sunshine laws. JB and co. disseminated unverified comments into the national media on there own accord and not in compliance of any law.

Kathy Belich asks Bill Sheaffer that same question in this interview from yesterday. According to him Baez should be very careful what he says and where he says it ( about Kronk) or he could face charges. I hope he keeps blabbing, I can think of no better ending to all this than he gets slapped in jail too.
http://www.wftv.com/video/22342950/index.html

 

[Phumi]

Kathy Belich asks Bill Sheaffer that same question in this interview from yesterday. According to him Baez should be very careful what he says and where he says it ( about Kronk) or he could face charges. I hope he keeps blabbing, I can think of no better ending to all this than he gets slapped in jail too.
http://www.wftv.com/video/22342950/index.html

Well, it would be a civil case--so just monetary damages--but can we still slap him? :crazy:

 

[sleutherontheside]

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[kaRN]

I am having spaghetti for dinner but I am not "shwallowing" any of the spaghetti being served by the defense team.
I appreciate their willingness to try new recipes and to incorporate spaghetti into their "menu" but that doesn't mean that I will find any of it palatable.

Good move. It will save many movements later on.
I expect Public Health to shut down them down in the near future actually.
I'm not concerned about the recipes or even the extra carbs as much as the high levels of e-coli in their kitchen. lol!!

 

[ZsaZsa]

I don't know what goes on in Florida, but in Texas the judges do not take lightly someone making wholly unsubstantiated allegations that have no factual basis in legal documents. I learned in one of my best friends protracted custody battles.
One better have their proof ready, doctor or hospital reports, police reports. Even with all of that, one may not be permitted to bring it up in a custody hearing, for example, if those matters are still under investigation and not yet adjudicated...they are only allegations. In fact not only can the client be in trouble the judge can order fines and sanctions for bringing something before the court "in bad faith" . If one is found to have made false allegations to Child Protective Services in some states it is a FELONY. So, I am shocked that the defense took these unsworn statements with no proof to back them up and published them. It is pretty clear they chose that path because they know they will never be allowed at trial. Even if Roy's ex were permitted to testify, the state would make mincemeat with her testimony in record time. What is interesting to me is all the starting and stopping on the tape. It makes me wonder what in the world went on that was so egregious that when the defense interviewed J. Jordan he felt compelled to tape record it and turn it over to the State. Where is Val with her HinkyMeter? Even Dom would know there are many steps to an investigation, someone making an allegation ...step one
obtaining documents to substantiate...step two
considering the source and how well their credibility will hold up...step three
considering the motives of the person making the accusation...step four
do a mock cross examination to see what type of witness you have ...step five. I would think there should be at least a perfunctory attempt to determine if this will fly.

Not every one that is willing to make an allegation is to be taken seriously...most of these folks imo are pretty incredible...what is that girl's name.....Joy, for example.

What a colossal waste of the good taxpayers of Florida's money to go have a mini trial to indulge the defense in this exercise in futility. The jury is going to despise the defense for these antics. I am sure there are children to be educated, poor to be given shelter, elderly to attend to and a number of better ways for the taxpayer dollars to be spent there. What a waste. Shame on them!

Not only open him self up to libel/slander accusations but he might be sailing pretty close to an accusation of baseless or Malicious prosecution of Kronk.

 

[Cat13067]

Not only open him self up to libel/slander accusations but he might be sailing pretty close to an accusation of baseless or Malicious prosecution of Kronk.

I don't recall the ex-wives club being represented by any attorneys.
HUGE MISTAKE LADIES!

 

[notthatsmart]

I read the last doc dump also, and never read that the duct tapes were disimilar. If you can provide a link I would appreciate it. I too have read all the evidence and read all the testimonies from all the witnesses, and I feel KC is guilty of murdering Caylee.

Are you saying that RK is a witness, body snatcher, or murderer?

It was the Bc doc dump.

I think Rk had control of the body. Needs to be fully investigated. Moo