Motivation Report has been released

[otto]

Well, I am discussing the flaws in the case. The ever changing motives they claim, do have bearing. How many have there been now? They are changing to motives, to convict people. I actually have no definitive belief as to whether she is guilty or innocent. I simply believe no matter who has prosecuted, did not prove begin doubt. There is so much doubt, so much problems with the evidence, so many problems with creating a motive that will stick. The fact that they have had to change the story of how and why Meredith was murdered, absolutely is important.

A motive is not evidence and it is not necessary. It is conjecture.

 

[otto]

I completely agree with you. It should've always been about Meredith, unfortunately a PR firm IMO is responsible for making AK the victim. Many people that know of Amanda Knox don't even know Meredith Kerchers name at this point. It's a sad fact, Meredith's name should never be forgotten.

Knox's name should be forgotten.

 

[redheadedgal]

IMO, it's pretty clear that they immediately pounced on a sex crime gone wrong theory with AK and ran with it. They did that before they even manufactured the evidence for this. THAT is what makes it a joke. The prosecutor trying to present this case as a satanic sex crime was a joke.

It doesn't matter what the author said, I don't even care about it. The prosecutor is the one who created it. The prospector attempted t present this crime as a satanic sex crime gone wrong. To which, there was absolutely no evidence of. When that was not allowed, he changed it to just a sex game gone wrong.

yes, it was mignini's far-fetched satanic rite theory that started this crazy snowball... whether people want to admit it or not.

Amanda Knox, an American exchange student, stabbed her British fellow student and flatmate Meredith Kercher in the neck at the culmination of a satanic rite, a prosecutor told a Perugia court yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...te-966242.html


Eventually, Mignini’s No. 2, the chain-smoking, no-nonsense Manuela Comodi, persuaded him to drop the references to Satanism. But no one forgot about it, not the jury, not the judge, not the press, not the Perugians, not the court spectators, who could never look at Amanda without wondering whether a whiff of sulfur surrounded her.
http://nypost.com/2011/10/02/how-occ...-a-witch-hunt/


Amanda Knox stabbed meredith Kercher to death in "satanic ritual"
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...icle242579.ece

If prosecutors were so scared to admit they made a mistake....wth did they let Lumumba go in the first place?

when 14 (?) people came forward with an alibi for PL, they HAD to let him go imo.

This case and these suspects - I feel far more coverage is granted to Knox and Sollecito than to Meredith. Absolutely she should be the sole focus and justice for her and those who loved her should be paramount. Perhaps because of a PR campaign or the nationalities or races of convicted murderers involved it just doesn't seem to be about Meredith but rather if Amanda Knox is guilty. I don't think we'd see the same if the sole convicted murderer was Guede or even Sollecito - for whatever reason or perhaps a combination of factors. I'm not stating her murder isn't important or that media wouldn't report on it...I just think it would look very different. Here's an example: BBC doc isn't titled 'The Murder of Meredith Kercher' or 'British Student Tragically Killed Studying Abroad' or even just 'Mez'...it's titled 'Is Amanda Knox Guilty?'.

i don't think this is fair. if there weren't numerous appeal trials and the subsequent public interest, the "who done it" would've gone away a long time ago. b/c the italians cannot make up their minds, is not the fault of those interested in this case, and consequently, the fate of knox and sollecito.

 

[redheadedgal]

back to the motivation...

we've read there are many mistakes in this report...

when the judge cannot even get names of the defendants correct, how on earth can he be trusted to get anything else right?

PDF 1, p. 12

La Corte poi evidenziava come nel bagno più piccolo della abitazione fossero state rilevate piu tracce di sangue " dilavato " ( owerosia diluito con acqua ), con tracce miste del profilo della vittima e di quello di Amanda Marie Knox; infine sul coltello repertato nella abitazione di Emanuele Sollecito( reperto nr 16 ) era stato trovato il profilo genetico di Amanda Marie Knox e, in un punto della lama, il profilo genetico di Meredith Kercher. Numerose poi erano le tracce riconducibili a Rudi Heman Guede.

oy.

mods, i copied the italian from a PDF link on her site, not from the site itself: http://www.amandaknox.com/blog/

 

[sherlockh]

Lol...back to the evil 'satanic' prosecutor who controls the entire Italian justice system. Debunked many years ago.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...based_on_the_theory_of_a_.22satanic_ritual.22

Ok seriously, the real victims.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-let-Knox-convicted-murderess-walk-free.html

Possible further investigations into the behavior of those so called 'independent experts' in the annulled acquittal court?
http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/

The final appeal? There are typing errors your honor!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Lol...back to the evil 'satanic' prosecutor who controls the entire Italian justice system. Debunked many years ago.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...based_on_the_theory_of_a_.22satanic_ritual.22



Ok seriously, the real victims.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-let-Knox-convicted-murderess-walk-free.html



Possible further investigations into the behavior of those so called 'independent experts' in the annulled acquittal court?

http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/



The final appeal? There are typing errors your honor!

Lmao @ typos!


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[otto]

yes, it was mignini's far-fetched satanic rite theory that started this crazy snowball... whether people want to admit it or not.

Amanda Knox, an American exchange student, stabbed her British fellow student and flatmate Meredith Kercher in the neck at the culmination of a satanic rite, a prosecutor told a Perugia court yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...te-966242.html

Eventually, Mignini’s No. 2, the chain-smoking, no-nonsense Manuela Comodi, persuaded him to drop the references to Satanism. But no one forgot about it, not the jury, not the judge, not the press, not the Perugians, not the court spectators, who could never look at Amanda without wondering whether a whiff of sulfur surrounded her.
http://nypost.com/2011/10/02/how-occ...-a-witch-hunt/

Amanda Knox stabbed meredith Kercher to death in "satanic ritual"
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...icle242579.ece

when 14 (?) people came forward with an alibi for PL, they HAD to let him go imo.

i don't think this is fair. if there weren't numerous appeal trials and the subsequent public interest, the "who done it" would've gone away a long time ago. b/c the italians cannot make up their minds, is not the fault of those interested in this case, and consequently, the fate of knox and sollecito.

It's true that there were numerous personal attacks against one of the prosecutors that tried the case. These attacks were carried out by persons that refused to believe that Knox/Sollecito/Guede acted together in the murder of Meredith Kercher. The personal attacks against officers of the court were supported and encouraged by Knox, her family, her PR team, and her fans. I had the impression that these people believed that they could influence the verdict by damaging the reputation of the court. It didn't work.

 

[otto]

back to the motivation...

we've read there are many mistakes in this report...

when the judge cannot even get names of the defendants correct, how on earth can he be trusted to get anything else right?

PDF 1, p. 12
oy.

mods, i copied the italian from a PDF link on her site, not from the site itself: http://www.amandaknox.com/blog/

Could you please provide a link to the document ... one that does not route through the blog of a convicted murderer. Thx.

 

[Kavya01]

IMO the defense's cassation appeal will be made with much hoopla to display "indignation" but will really not have much substance to rely on.

The next truly intriguing part of this sad Meredith destruction story will be: how, if, when the convicted felon will be extradited?

 

[Footwarrior]

The motivation report has problems that go far beyond mere typos. It assumes the impossible happened by claiming that the defendants somehow cleaned up DNA evidence they left in the murder room. It assumes that a partial shoe print with a pattern matching the Nike Outbreak 2 sneakers that Guede admitted he wore on the night of the murder was made by Amanda Knox. It presumes that Amanda Knox stole Meredith's rent money based on the claims of Rudy who had been found in possession of stolen property less than a week before the murder. The errors of fact, logic and reason in the report are just stunning.

 

[otto]

The motivation report has problems that go far beyond mere typos. It assumes the impossible happened by claiming that the defendants somehow cleaned up DNA evidence they left in the murder room. It assumes that a partial shoe print with a pattern matching the Nike Outbreak 2 sneakers that Guede admitted he wore on the night of the murder was made by Amanda Knox. It presumes that Amanda Knox stole Meredith's rent money based on the claims of Rudy who had been found in possession of stolen property less than a week before the murder. The errors of fact, logic and reason in the report are just stunning.

My understanding is that the Judge explains that there should be no expectation that murderers deposit DNA at a crime scene. We all know that. The Judge seems to relate the absence of fingerprints, the presence of partial footprints, and the absence of complete footprints (consecutive left/right) to a crime scene clean up.

The size 37 print cannot be associated with Guede because he wears a larger shoe. Photoshop can be used to modify the size 37 print and attribute it to Guede, but I don't think that sort of graphic alteration can be considered by the courts. Photoshop was also used to modify the barefoot prints on the bathmat and similarly, the graphic alteration is not accepted by the court. On the forums, the graphic alterations have resulted in all sorts of confusing debate.

I believe it would be an error in logic to conclude that because Guede stole a laptop, Knox cannot have stolen Meredith's rent money.

 

[otto]

This is a good review of the Motivation Report. It is written by a journalist that is fluent in both English and Italian.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/

 

[otto]

... some nice photos of Meredith with her family and as a child

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-let-Knox-convicted-murderess-walk-free.html

 

[Linda7NJ]

... some nice photos of Meredith with her family and as a child



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-let-Knox-convicted-murderess-walk-free.html

I find it disheartening that Meredith's family believes Amanda Knox has the full support of Americans. I don't believe that's the case at all.

I wish they knew that most Americans have grown bored with Knox and plenty of us are also waiting for her extradition in the name of justice. IMO


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[Amber29]

I find it disheartening that Meredith's family believes Amanda Knox has the full support of Americans. I don't believe that's the case at all.

I wish they knew that most Americans have grown bored with Knox and plenty of us are also waiting for her extradition in the name of justice. IMO


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I feel the same way. I believe with every interview AK gives, more Americans are beginning to wonder. She does herself no good giving interviews because she doesn't come off as genuine in the least. Her inappropriate smiles and chosen phrases makes it hard to even watch much less believe the words coming out of her mouth. All IMO

 

[sherlockh]

The motivation report has problems that go far beyond mere typos. It assumes the impossible happened by claiming that the defendants somehow cleaned up DNA evidence they left in the murder room. It assumes that a partial shoe print with a pattern matching the Nike Outbreak 2 sneakers that Guede admitted he wore on the night of the murder was made by Amanda Knox. It presumes that Amanda Knox stole Meredith's rent money based on the claims of Rudy who had been found in possession of stolen property less than a week before the murder. The errors of fact, logic and reason in the report are just stunning.

He doesn't say that at all. No point discussing this since this should be linked.

 

[otto]

I find it disheartening that Meredith's family believes Amanda Knox has the full support of Americans. I don't believe that's the case at all.

I wish they knew that most Americans have grown bored with Knox and plenty of us are also waiting for her extradition in the name of justice. IMO


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Given that talking heads continue to give the convicted murderer air time, it's natural to assume that the general public wants to hear from her. It's not a stretch to believe that if the public wants to hear from Knox, they cannot believe she is a murderer ... who in their right mind wants to broadcast comments about "body parts" and "corpses" from the mouth of a convicted murderer?

 

[Amber29]

Given that talking heads continue to give the convicted murderer air time, it's natural to assume that the general public wants to hear from her. It's not a stretch to believe that if the public wants to hear from Knox, they cannot believe she is a murderer ... who in their right mind wants to broadcast comments about "body parts" and "corpses" from the mouth of a convicted murderer?

The craziest part to me is that RS and AK won't "own" that RG did it. It seems in these interviews they do, they are careful what they say about RG. I don't understand it at all. They should both be shouting from the rooftops about the real killer RG. Maybe even questioning why he won't tell the truth but neither of them do this. It's odd to say the least.

 

[otto]

The craziest part to me is that RS and AK won't "own" that RG did it. It seems in these interviews they do, they are careful what they say about RG. I don't understand it at all. They should both be shouting from the rooftops about the real killer RG. Maybe even questioning why he won't tell the truth but neither of them do this. It's odd to say the least.

I agree that they seem to tiptoe around Guede, but it is the strange language they use when the proclaim their innocence that really throws me. They don't seem to put themselves fully behind their innocence, but instead they seem to contain the words in some sort of ambiguous phrases that mean nothing. They remind me of politicians that say nothing with a lot of words.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree that they seem to tiptoe around Guede, but it is the strange language they use when the proclaim their innocence that really throws me. They don't seem to put themselves fully behind their innocence, but instead they seem to contain the words in some sort of ambiguous phrases that mean nothing. They remind me of politicians that say nothing with a lot of words.

What I read between the lines of all of Knox's statements is "you can't prove I did it" , " you don't have enough evidence to convict me" ....

The above comes through waaay louder and stronger than her lame attempts of proclamation that she did not do it.


Edited to add... I've also noticed Knox's constant use of RS and keeping him close to her....meanwhile, RS is distancing himself more and more from her.

It's gonna get mighty interesting and the ship continues to sink IMO

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