Motivation Report has been released

[otto]

most americans?

is there a cite for this?

i saw a recent poll that said the exact opposite.




glad to see this written... i asked for links a few days ago... are they now forthcoming?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Motivation Report has been released

They're probably lost, along with the link I requested.

 

[Amber29]

This thread is not a general discussion thread. It is a topical thread about the msm articles regarding the newly released motivation report. If you don't have anything to discuss about the report, with a link to msm, then maybe we need to consider whether the thread needs to be closed.

There are way too many off topic posts.. please stay on topic.

This probably won't get much attention today anyways, busy day at websleuths with Julie Schenecker starting today and OP back in court! Too many places to be at once

 

[dgfred]

I find it disheartening that Meredith's family was mislead by a nut case prosecutor into believing that Amanda was responsible for their daughters death.

I also find it disturbing that Geude is allowed to leave prison to study only a few years after committing such a brutal murder and sexual assault.

'a nut case prosecutor' :floorlaugh:

AK said she was at the cottage and Patrick wanted/hurt Meredith.

That right there makes her responsible.

It is disturbing about RG... and more disturbing that AK/RS have been dodging their responsibility for the brutal murder and sexual assault.

They take the fast-track... they would be in the exact same position.

 

[otto]

'a nut case prosecutor' :floorlaugh:

AK said she was at the cottage and Patrick wanted/hurt Meredith.

That right there makes her responsible.

It is disturbing about RG... and more disturbing that AK/RS have been dodging their responsibility for the brutal murder and sexual assault.

They take the fast-track... they would be in the exact same position.

I was thinking the same thing. There was no "nut case prosecutor" in the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher. The victim's family has no complaints about the prosecution. If we respect the victim, then we respect her family's position regarding the prosecution of the criminals that murdered their daughter and sister. If we disrespect the victim's family, we disrespect the victim.

Some murderers that are convicted in the US get sweet deals that see them released from prison a few years after a conviction. That's how it works, so there's no good reason to complain that it also happens in other countries.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I was thinking the same thing. There was no "nut case prosecutor" in the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher. The victim's family has no complaints about the prosecution. If we respect the victim, then we respect her family's position regarding the prosecution of the criminals that murdered their daughter and sister. If we disrespect the victim's family, we disrespect the victim.

Some murderers that are convicted in the US get sweet deals that see them released from prison a few years after a conviction. That's how it works, so there's no good reason to complain that it also happens in other countries.

No. I think that you can have complete respect for the victim and her family think the prosecutor, was wrong and over reaching. I don't find the two linked in the slightest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-drizin/amanda-knox-and-raffaele-_b_4757435.html

 

[otto]

No. I think that you can have complete respect for the victim and her family think the prosecutor, was wrong and over reaching. I don't find the two linked in the slightest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-drizin/amanda-knox-and-raffaele-_b_4757435.html

There are always people that have a soft spot for convicted murderers. I doubt that Meredith's family does, and I doubt that they distrust all of the prosecutors, judges, and jurors that have weighed the evidence. Even if one prosecutor made a mistake, the one that sat beside him apparently didn't.

 

[Sigh Sister]

There are always people that have a soft spot for convicted murderers. I doubt that Meredith's family does, and I doubt that they distrust all of the prosecutors, judges, and jurors that have weighed the evidence. Even if one prosecutor made a mistake, the one that sat beside him apparently didn't.

Believing that AK and RS were wrongfully convicted does not mean that one has "a soft spot for convicted murderers".....

I look forward to the full translation of the report.

 

[otto]

Believing that AK and RS were wrongfully convicted does not mean that one has "a soft spot for convicted murderers".....

I look forward to the full translation of the report.

Wouldn't it be great if all verdicts were as transparent as they are in Italy!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wouldn't it be great if all verdicts were as transparent as they are in Italy!

I would love it if all murderer's juries were comprised of judges!!!!


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[Boodles]

If this thread isn't for general discussion, where is such a thread? I don't see any other open ones for discussion. TIA!

 

[Linda7NJ]

If this thread isn't for general discussion, where is such a thread? I don't see any other open ones for discussion. TIA!

It's a discussion thread for *new* information.

I think the mods got tired of all the moderation that this forum required when it was fair game to discuss everything...they deserve a break IMO


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[aa9511]

If this thread isn't for general discussion, where is such a thread? I don't see any other open ones for discussion. TIA!

No such thread.....that thread got shut down a long time ago.

 

[aa9511]

I too am looking forward to the translation of Nencini court's reasoning, although I don't think it will *change* anyone's mind either way.

I think it is very interesting that while her supporters keep talking about her "innocence," even Amanda does not seem to believe nor be pushing for her "innocence." She seems to be, IMO, more trying to go down the "not enough proof beyond reasonable doubt" path. In interviews, that is what it sounds like.

The words she uses - "proof of me," "proof that I did this," "proof this is the murder weapon" - she says there is "not enough proof."

Sure doesn't sound to me like the line her supporters are constantly pushing, which is that she is innocent. Innocent, to me, means she had nothing to do with this. Means she was in a completely different place and had no idea what was going on.

I'm sorry, but when the person you are supporting isn't even really claiming their innocence, what makes her supporters so passionate about supporting her to an extent which is even beyond what she herself seems to be admitting to??

It's just very odd to me.

<modsnip>

JMO.

 

[MichaelSmith]

Where is this Q and A from? Could you please attach a link ... Thx

Of course Otto.

Lumumba Testimony Original Italian

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Lumumba.pdf

English Translation

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Lumumba.pdf

He denied the police beating but says he was put in a room naked for hours, wasn't read his rights or told why he'd been arrested. It's worth reading and then compare to what he's told the media over the years jmo.

This is also very interesting. His pub was bugged and phone tapped before Nov 5.

http://www.amandaknox.com/wp-conten...anti-Cieri-Tacconi-Latella-Sisani-Buratti.pdf

Stefano Buratti Testimony State Police – p201-202


PROSECUTOR – DR. COMODI QUESTION – Could you make a list of telephone users that have been subjected to interception based on the Prosecutor’s Decree in the context of Meredith’s murder, do you have a list?

ANSWER – Well, at the moment I don’t have one, of all interceptions made?

PRESIDENT – of the users Yes.

ANSWER – They are pretty much, if I’m not mistaken 83 wiretaps, which are called ‘Rit’, so any wiretap corresponds to a user or to an environment, 83, 5 of them are environmental, of those, three in prison, one in the police station and the other was at Lumumba’s Pub

QUESTION – then were the defendants’ phones intercepted?

ANSWER- the telephones of the defendants, of Knox, and …

QUESTION – of suspects by then?

ANSWER – the suspects by then so from day 2, starting from day 2 to follow developments of the investigative activity gradually wiretaps became authorized.

QUESTION – So Amanda Knox, Raffaele Sollecito.

ANSWER-Yes, then let’s talk about the first interceptions, no?

QUESTION – I am not asking you in chronological order, then Rudy Guede, Lumumba?

ANSWER – Yes, Romanelli, Mezzetti.

QUESTION – Then even friends?

ANSWER – Yes.

 

[MichaelSmith]

This thread is not a general discussion thread. It is a topical thread about the msm articles regarding the newly released motivation report. If you don't have anything to discuss about the report, with a link to msm, then maybe we need to consider whether the thread needs to be closed.

There are way too many off topic posts.. please stay on topic.

Can people discuss what's actually in the document?

 

[Harmony 2]

Can people discuss what's actually in the document?

Sure- with a link!

 

[redheadedgal]

Can people discuss what's actually in the document?

a few of us are trying... what has been mentioned with links to MSM are: (help me if i've missed any)

--MK and RS dna was found on the knife
--that 1+ instances of RS dna would prove contamination, but not just 1
--that MK's female friends might have been the contributors of the Y haplo-types found on her bra clasp
--that hellman is "racist" for saying RG could easily climb the wall/into the house

the first three? totally ignored. i really thought some, if not all, of these points would create good discussion... but maybe they're only seen as errors and "typos" instead of illogical and impossible. IDK. i do wonder if this type of thing (mistakes -- either accidental (typo) or due to unfamiliarity with case facts) is included in the grounds for appeal...

the fourth? merely agreed with, with no proof to substantiate claims.

what AV wrote about C & V might'be been mentioned/linked... however, i am not sure if her blog site is considered MSM (mainstream media for anyone joining in for the first time). maybe a mod can opine?

http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/

if this blog is acceptable for discussion, i have something to add about what nencini apparently said about CV...

thanks mods for allowing us this thread. sorry for any previous off topic posts

 

[redheadedgal]

The words she uses - "proof of me," "proof that I did this," "proof this is the murder weapon" - she says there is "not enough proof."

Sure doesn't sound to me like the line her supporters are constantly pushing, which is that she is innocent. Innocent, to me, means she had nothing to do with this. Means she was in a completely different place and had no idea what was going on.

I'm sorry, but when the person you are supporting isn't even really claiming their innocence, what makes her supporters so passionate about supporting her to an extent which is even beyond what she herself seems to be admitting to??

It's just very odd to me.

<modsnip>

JMO.

In a written statement Knox says, "I am innocent"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/amanda-knox-slams-italian-court-reasoning-on-guilt/

"I want to state again today what I have said throughout this process: I am innocent of the accusation against me..."

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Amanda-Knox-I-am-innocent-5439408.php

 

[MichaelSmith]

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Nencini_Part_1_OCR.pdf

PDF 1, page 10

Antonella Monacchia's name is spelt is wrong.

La Corte evidenziava nella motivazione una serie di incongrueme nel racconto della imputata, nonché una serie di incompatibilità con altre emergenze istruttorie ( la deposizione del teste Antonio Curatolo, che avrebbe visto gli imputati la sera del lo novembre 2007 assieme nella zona di Piazza Grimana tra le 21 circa e le 23 della sera; gli accertamenti tecnici sul telefono dell'imputato e sul computer in uso al predetto, che ne avrebbero auestato un uso durante la nottata, e le deposizioni testimoniali dei testi Capezzali Nara e Manocchia Antonella). Passava quindi all'esame delle attività investigative svolte dalla polizia giudiziaria, sia nella villetta che durante la perquisizione effettuata nell'abitazione del Sollecito, alle repertazioni effettuate, nonché alla valutazione delle investigazioni medico

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Nencini_Part_2_OCR.pdf

page 3 pdf 2

Va i&ne rilevato come la Polizia scientifica, esaminando la stanza ove era stato
rinvenuto il cadavere di Meredith Kercher, evidenziava ke iracce plantari, con segni circolariconcentrici, lasciate per deposizione ematica Le dimensioni delle orne rilevate,successivamente esaminate, poriano a ritenere che la persona che le aveva lasciate possa identificarsi con un persona di sesso femminile, trattandosi di un piede di misura 37 nella misurazione in uso in Europa. Anche in relazione a tali ome non interessa in questa fase dissertare se le stesse siano o meno riferibili ad Amanda Knox.

Translation

"Finally, it should be noted that the Scientific Police, examining the room where the body of Meredith Kercher was found, highlighted three shoe prints, with concentric circles, left in blood. The sizes of the highlighted prints, subsequently examined, imply that the person who left them can be identified as a female, since they were of a foot measuring 37 using the European system. Though in relation to these prints, it is not pertinent in this phase to elaborate if these shoe prints are referable to Amanda Knox."

What 3 prints attributed to a female? He's mixed up Guede's prints with the circle tread pattern.

 

[MichaelSmith]

FAULTY REPORT FAVORS FUTURE ACQUITTAL OF AMANDA KNOX AND RAFFAELE SOLLECITO &#8211; Part 1

http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/f...of-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito-part-1/