Motivation Report has been released

[Footwarrior]

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Nencini_Part_2_OCR.pdf

page 3 pdf 2

Va i&ne rilevato come la Polizia scientifica, esaminando la stanza ove era stato
rinvenuto il cadavere di Meredith Kercher, evidenziava ke iracce plantari, con segni circolariconcentrici, lasciate per deposizione ematica Le dimensioni delle orne rilevate,successivamente esaminate, poriano a ritenere che la persona che le aveva lasciate possa identificarsi con un persona di sesso femminile, trattandosi di un piede di misura 37 nella misurazione in uso in Europa. Anche in relazione a tali ome non interessa in questa fase dissertare se le stesse siano o meno riferibili ad Amanda Knox.

Translation

"Finally, it should be noted that the Scientific Police, examining the room where the body of Meredith Kercher was found, highlighted three shoe prints, with concentric circles, left in blood. The sizes of the highlighted prints, subsequently examined, imply that the person who left them can be identified as a female, since they were of a foot measuring 37 using the European system. Though in relation to these prints, it is not pertinent in this phase to elaborate if these shoe prints are referable to Amanda Knox."

What 3 prints attributed to a female? He's mixed up Guede's prints with the circle tread pattern.

Is this discussed in more detail later in the document? If there are references to photographs or evidence markers, we can see if they are the circle pattern prints from Guede's shoes.

 

[MichaelSmith]

Is this discussed in more detail later in the document? If there are references to photographs or evidence markers, we can see if they are the circle pattern prints from Guede's shoes.

It's not but I can't cite that just yet till a translation of his 'report' is done but it'll be finished soon AFIK.

 

[otto]

Is this discussed in more detail later in the document? If there are references to photographs or evidence markers, we can see if they are the circle pattern prints from Guede's shoes.

I believe that this is the same print that was discussed on the innocence websites over the years (see pillowcase print). It is attributed to Guede on those websites. The photos are available in the court powerpoints.

I think the point is that the print is size 37, which is consistent with Knox's shoe size. It is very easy to manipulate the print in the same way that the bloody print on the bathmat has been stretched to align with Guede's foot, so I wouldn't rely on internet illustrations to get a better understanding of the evidence.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Hey, at least it's *new* information!

We're gonna have to wait and see...


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We can't discuss it if it's not in the report. Don't want the thread to get shut down. :seeya:

 

[Harmony 2]

Guys and gals,
This is the absolute last warning! Either focus on the motivation report or the thread will be closed until further developments or notice. Please and thank you!

 

[Bill C]

What happened to page 10?

 

[dgfred]

FAULTY REPORT FAVORS FUTURE ACQUITTAL OF AMANDA KNOX AND RAFFAELE SOLLECITO – Part 1

http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/f...of-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito-part-1/

Is that Frank :facepalm: . Should we bring up the other stuff he did and said?

Certainly not biased at all.

:jail:

 

[Salem]

What happened to page 10?

It was off topic and it was removed.

Salem

 

[iluvmua]

what sticks out the most in the report?

 

[blue22]

I too am looking forward to the translation of Nencini court's reasoning, although I don't think it will *change* anyone's mind either way.

I think it is very interesting that while her supporters keep talking about her "innocence," even Amanda does not seem to believe nor be pushing for her "innocence." She seems to be, IMO, more trying to go down the "not enough proof beyond reasonable doubt" path. In interviews, that is what it sounds like.

The words she uses - "proof of me," "proof that I did this," "proof this is the murder weapon" - she says there is "not enough proof."

Sure doesn't sound to me like the line her supporters are constantly pushing, which is that she is innocent. Innocent, to me, means she had nothing to do with this. Means she was in a completely different place and had no idea what was going on.

I'm sorry, but when the person you are supporting isn't even really claiming their innocence, what makes her supporters so passionate about supporting her to an extent which is even beyond what she herself seems to be admitting to??

It's just very odd to me.

<modsnip>

JMO.

Honestly, I am not convinced either way of her guilt or innocence. I don't think she has been proven guilty, (IMO) beyond any reasonable doubt. We all know, that doesn't mean innocent. So, I have no passionate standing in her guilt or innocence.

With that said, she has many times claimed her innocence. I just saw an interview on TV last week, in which she did that. She has done it a lot. And...if half the world thought I was guilty of something no matter how many times I say I'm innocent...I might start pointing out the faulty reasoning behind the belief of my guilt. Again, I have no standing here. I can just see that thought process happening, if it were me.

 

[otto]

what sticks out the most in the report?

I think we're still waiting for an English translation.

 

[Harmony 2]

what sticks out the most in the report?

This stood out to me:

He also cited as credible Guede's statements that the British student had accused Knox that evening of stealing rent money from her room, even though none of the defendants was convicted of the theft.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-04-29-11-25-04

The court said there was ample evidence of a bad relationship between the two roommates, despite Knox's attempts to play down differences in court, and cited statements by Guede under police questioning that Kercher had blamed Knox for taking money from the British student's room.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/

Nencini cites much from Rudy Guede’s trials and, unlike the first appeal trial judges, considers some of his testimony to be a strong element of proof that Knox and Sollecito were also involved.

http://news.uk.msn.com/comment-and-...ded-the-knife-that-killed-meredith-says-judge

 

[Footwarrior]

Nencini seems to view Rudy as the star witness against Amanda and Raffaele. Which is odd considering that Rudy never testified at any trial involving the young couple.

 

[blue22]

Nencini seems to view Rudy as the star witness against Amanda and Raffaele. Which is odd considering that Rudy never testified at any trial involving the young couple.

His statements really serve to downplay his own role in the murder. His role is the only one that has really strong physical evidence to support. I don't think he can be considered all that credible, and that's why he never was called. I think he would be a really weak prosecution witness.

 

[redheadedgal]

Nencini seems to view Rudy as the star witness against Amanda and Raffaele. Which is odd considering that Rudy never testified at any trial involving the young couple.

i wonder if nencini even read the micheli and giordano motivations against RG?

Logic suggests that the reason lies in the fact that he can not afford to tell the truth

M, p.43

and we must therefore understand whether he told the truth or not

M, p.47

The alternatives, in addition to taking the high road that leads to the belief that GUEDE not tell the truth

M, p.52

RUDI, in the face of what he says would have happened, he did
not, but if, admitting that he was telling the truth

M, p.55

it is singular record that he has not told the truth in order to his movements in the range of time immediately preceding the murder

the only consequence of having to assume that the truth has not been told to hide something

M, p.61​

This judge does not consider granting extenuating circumstances, because the elements to be considered in favor of the defendant would still not be suitable to move in the opposite perspective, nor the gravity of the criminal conduct disconcerting, nor the weight of the specific behavior of the post delictum GUEDE, especially when taking into account that he, given the unreliability on which we have focused largely, has not only made false declarations, but it has literally invented a seemingly endless series of lies

M, p.66

According to the consistent reasoning of the lower courts, it must be concluded that Guede's story is invented, from the kiss with Meredith at the Domus to the date the following evening to the petting with the girl at her home on the evening of the next day.For the rest, the Appeal Court in Perugia pointed out forcefully and with firm conviction the contradictions and improbability of the version of the events gradually given by the appellant.

G, p.18

micheli and giordano reports @ http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/PDF-Files.html

 

[otto]

The Supreme Court ruled that Guede did not act alone.

 

[redheadedgal]

Sollecito's lawyer, Giulia Bongiorno, was critical of the reasoning, saying "from the motive, to weapon, to the DNA, it is a string of errors".

"I can't wait until they fix a day to hear us for the appeal, because honestly the verdict is so full of errors, illogical elements and contradictions, that I strongly believe it will be overturned."

http://news.sky.com/story/1251732/knox-struck-fatal-blow-after-row-over-money

 

[dgfred]

Is that 10 errors a page??? That will be tough to show/prove. When would they get an appeal? After the ISC rules on Nencini's verdict?

 

[otto]

Is that 10 errors a page??? That will be tough to show/prove. When would they get an appeal? After the ISC rules on Nencini's verdict?

I think so. The defence has 45 days to file an appeal and, after that, the Supreme Court will decide whether to uphold the original verdict, or to allow the defence to again re-litigate some of the evidence. I guess we'll have to wait and see whether the trial Judge made any errors in his decisions.

The first Judge made a mistake by disallowing further testing of the knife, and the second Judge made a mistake by accepting that DNA on the knife could not be tested. I think we've answered all the questions that were left unanswered in the first trial, and the second trial has been annulled and stricken from the books.

 

[blue22]

The Supreme Court ruled that Guede did not act alone.

Right, but had he testified in that trial...I think he would have helped the defense. I think it was too risky for the prosecution to call him, and the outcome would have been very different.