Motive For Murder

[eyes4crime]

Does anyone know what she did over the summer - was she at the university? I find the timing of this within just days of fall semester having started a little curious.

Annie was at NIH on a grant doing research over the summer.

 

[panthera]

yes, I think it was a hate thing also, now........she rubbed him the wrong way maybe for a while and it just broke out that day.
Maybe he has a problem with all women in authority????

I think that's part of it, at least, and especially women who he deems inferior to himself? MOO

 

[Very Interesting]

I'd like to know what you all think...

Aside from remorse, which I would put in a different category, would you say killing Annie had a traumatic effect on Clark, too?

That is to say, do you think the experience was psychologically shocking for him? In a negative way? In a pleasurable way? Both?

Just curious.

From watching Nancy Grace tonight and the video they showed, he looked traumatized I would say, tears in his eyes. Though they say he is not talking at all, which is probably smart of him. Even more why am thinking illicit affair gone bad, murder due to passion, he cared about her. Though is a murderer of her now.

 

[eyes4crime]

I wanted to ask this question, and I cannot find a thread on this topic. She was found in a very small cramped chase space. Is there a chance she was put in there alive and died from asphyxiation from her body being compressed in the space? Wasn't there a time of death mentioned somewhere of 10:40pm?

Just wondering if anyone else thinks this could be possible...

I can hardly stand to think about what she endured, I hope she died instantly!

 

['Ailina]

I wanted to ask this question, and I cannot find a thread on this topic. She was found in a very small cramped chase space. Is there a chance she was put in there alive and died from asphyxiation from her body being compressed in the space? Wasn't there a time of death mentioned somewhere of 10:40pm?

Just wondering if anyone else thinks this could be possible...

Yes, I think it's possible. But I don't think (goodness gracious, I HOPE he wouldn't) Clark would stuff her in the wall if she were still breathing. And no matter how panicked he was at the time, I don't think for a moment he would not have stopped to check her pulse or listen for a heartbeat. That's one of the #1 things he'd want to know after he strangled her -- if she were really dead.

If she weren't, I can't see him stuffing her in the wall, since that action was to cover his tracks. He would be too afraid she might scream, someone might hear her, she might kick the wall, etc..

I don't think he would've moved her unless she were dead.

 

[jjenny]

From watching Nancy Grace tonight and the video they showed, he looked traumatized I would say, tears in his eyes. Though they say he is not talking at all, which is probably smart of him. Even more why am thinking illicit affair gone bad, murder due to passion, he cared about her. Though is a murderer of her now.

Anybody would be traumatized after being arrested. He went from being an unknown person to everybody knowing his name, and not for a good reason.
What does it have to do with any kind of relationship? Nothing.

 

[nursebeeme]

the 1040 time was not TOD... it was when the murder investigation was logges as open after her body was found.

 

[panthera]

I wanted to ask this question, and I cannot find a thread on this topic. She was found in a very small cramped chase space. Is there a chance she was put in there alive and died from asphyxiation from her body being compressed in the space? Wasn't there a time of death mentioned somewhere of 10:40pm?

Just wondering if anyone else thinks this could be possible...

From the description given of her COD, it seems there was physical pressure applied to her neck, not just being cramped into a small space. I think he could've put her in a choke hold, for example, and by his mere size (plus his physical strength) killed her. MOO

 

[Normcar21]

I wanted to ask this question, and I cannot find a thread on this topic. She was found in a very small cramped chase space. Is there a chance she was put in there alive and died from asphyxiation from her body being compressed in the space? Wasn't there a time of death mentioned somewhere of 10:40pm?

Just wondering if anyone else thinks this could be possible...

My guess is that you may be completely right, whether dead on the spot or in the wall is meaningless perhaps from a legal perspective, but from a "human and emotive" perspective, yes, it means a whole lot if one can conceive of the horror that she experienced, if alive, in a wall. :furious:

 

[eyes4crime]

I really do think that old Myspace link was a joke. I know of young people who make up Myspace pages for their buddies because the buddy doesn't have one. So they make up these fake ones with the most outrageous stuff written on the that the prankster can come up with. Dead giveaway is usually "Tom" is the only friend. I would be looking at Facebook sooner. Facebook is usually the only social engine most people have as they get older because Myspace is really a hassle and less private. I think the shared Myspace with the girlfriend is the only legit one. I would not read anything into the Myspace with only "Tom" as their friend.

Call me old fashioned - but I hold people responsible for the impression they give to others. He let that Myspace link exist for quite some time. mho

 

[Very Interesting]

Anybody would be traumatized after being arrested. He went from being an unknown person to everybody knowing his name, and not for a good reason.
What does it have to do with any kind of relationship? Nothing.

Alot of other killers I have seen on TV when arrested have not looked traumatized at all, they looked blank, not feeling, cold, no emotion what so ever. Not the case with this guy

 

[justthinkin]

Who is to say at some point in the past he didn't have a thing for Annie, and when she rejected him it just turned to hate and resentment?

 

[Normcar21]

Anybody would be traumatized after being arrested. He went from being an unknown person to everybody knowing his name, and not for a good reason.
What does it have to do with any kind of relationship? Nothing.

I agree fully, self-absorbed individuals, when they are caught, are slightly "tearful" for sure. The question is, who are they tearing up for, the victim, or the fact that they got caught by good LE investigation?

I know, I know:waitasec:

 

[jjenny]

Alot of other killers I have seen on TV when arrested have not looked traumatized at all, they looked blank, not feeling, cold, no emotion what so ever. Not the case with this guy

And I've seen plenty of people cry after being arrested.

 

[Very Interesting]

Alot of other killers I have seen on TV when arrested have not looked traumatized at all, they looked blank, not feeling, cold, no emotion what so ever. Not the case with this guy

Which makes me wonder more, as the other murders they show on TV that are caught, normally have tried to run or hide. Not this guy, didnt try any of that stuff??

Sure hope the insanity thing isnt tried, or temporary insanity due to crime of passion

 

[Very Interesting]

Something just not seeming right about all of it, though again am sure alot will come out in trial. The DNA does not lie as they say

 

[Normcar21]

Alot of other killers I have seen on TV when arrested have not looked traumatized at all, they looked blank, not feeling, cold, no emotion what so ever. Not the case with this guy

Perhaps it is a "first time" thing, something like...no, I won't compare it with that. My first look at this guy was when he was in the back of LE's vehicle, and this was prior to the official arrest. What I saw all over his face was, holy crap, I'm screwed.

Now that thought is qualified, both in his mind and my own.

Innocent until proven guilty now. :innocent: :waitasec: :angel:

 

[Chanler]

Earlier today, I had said at work not anyone was believing the WorkPlace Violence scenario at all.

After I had seen some other people at my job looking at CNN about it, and they were not believing it either.
Many saying a person does not murder a girl at the workplace over a mouse cage, no way at all.

A few women said the girl was doing him, we are women we know, she was just having alittle fun before her marriage, though was doing the wrong guy.

My opinion from start has been illicit affair caused the murder.

I watched Nancy Grace tonight and it just made me think more, something just isn’t right about all of it.

Definitely from watching this tonight, I have impression that Yale is keeping a lot of things close to its vest about things that happened. Do not really understand how they have authority to do this though?

It also sounds alittle like the police were trying to get the suspect to incriminate himself before he got a lawyer, and they are little angry he did this.

The guy doesn’t really seem to have a history of violence (just the one incident) was social, he worked at Yale almost five years with no problems??

Something really doesn’t smell right in Yale and New Haven about all of this. Though I guess we wont know until trial begins, and they start releasing all the details.

Opinion: I am still thinking not just a WorkPlace Violence situation, and is a lot that hasn’t been said or revealed yet. Still think they were having illicit affair and that is what triggered it. Don’t know how many times I have heard,” I cant believe she would do that, or I cant believe he would do that. They just are not that way” (when it comes to affairs). And I too dont think he murdered her because of a mouse cage, there was alot more to it

Hi, Very Interesting, thanks for this honest response. People really do kill people over workplace or neighbor issues; ask a veteran cop. There are no signs that the accused and the victim had any affair (or, for that matter, even socialized) or that they had similar personalities or lifestyles; in fact, the indications run strongly in the opposite direction. (And police welcome adding any motive to the mix.) Making generalizations about a whole gender leads us hopelessly in a circle.

To call it murdering because of a mouse cage is hyperbole. Differences build over years or burst out in a few minutes. I have seen a fist fight start between two men eating dinner together; neither of them was drinking alcohol. If she refused to listen to him and he blocked her way, she might have threatened to get him fired. Sometimes, as I wrote before, push comes to shove comes to homicide.

 

[panthera]

Who is to say at some point in the past he didn't have a thing for Annie, and when she rejected him it just turned to hate and resentment?

That could be. MOO

 

[Very Interesting]

Hi, Very Interesting, thanks for this honest response. People really do kill people over workplace or neighbor issues; ask a veteran cop. There are no signs that the accused and the victim had any affair or that they were similar personalities or lifestyles; in fact, the indications run in the opposite direction. Making generalizations about a whole gender leads us in circle.

To call it murdering because of a mouse cage is hyperbole. Differences build over years or burst out in a few minutes. I have seen a fist fight start between two men eating dinner together; neither of them was drinking alcohol. If she refused to listen to him and he blocked her way, she might have threatened to get him fired. Sometimes, as I wrote before, push comes to shove comes to homicide.

Yes, I think it is going to be quite interesting ahead on all of this.