MOTIVE - IF Raven, then why?

[Moxie]

I hate to say that Janet is a statistic in any shape or form; to me she was an individual who deserved more than just being labeled on someone's chart as a victim of domestic abuse. We all know that many women stay far too long in relationships hoping that their loved one will change ... whether they're being clubbed upside the head or torn down emotionally.

Mr. P. Ness had numerous affairs, and Janet chose to still put her husband first. She had permission from her church to leave Raven, and still she stayed. She had a loving and supportive family who would have done anything to help her start over. I find her dedication to her husband and son admirable, too bad it doesn't appear that it was reciprocal. Raven was a thief, cheat, liar, and I believe a murderer. He didn't deserve Janet and Janet deserved much better than Raven.

Golfmom,

We have missed you and your wise observations. I agree with you completely. He did not deserve Janet, and sadly, Janet deserved much more from her husband.

I wonder, if Raven even has a conscience, how he will feel to have to live the rest of his life knowing how awful he was to her. The sad thing is, I don't know if he would even care. I think the only person he truly cares about is himself. And Kaiden, since he seems to view Kaiden as an extension of himself.

 

[NCBanker]

I think the only person he truly cares about is himself. And Kaiden, since he seems to view Kaiden as an extension of himself.

AND a pretty good meal ticket!!! Everything's being done for Kaiden. I wouldn't be surprised if he was using Kaiden's social security number to obtain credit for new goodies.

 

[Jenifred]

AND a pretty good meal ticket!!! Everything's being done for Kaiden. I wouldn't be surprised if he was using Kaiden's social security number to obtain credit for new goodies.

Maybe he's using Kaiden for a lot more things. GM, up for another google search?

Didn't find anything--but I will periodically check back.

 

[Moxie]

AND a pretty good meal ticket!!! Everything's being done for Kaiden. I wouldn't be surprised if he was using Kaiden's social security number to obtain credit for new goodies.

Is that even possible to do? I mean, can't Kaiden's SS# be matched to his date of birth?

 

[golfmom]

Is that even possible to do? I mean, can't Kaiden's SS# be matched to his date of birth?

I knew of some parents who used their children's social security number and credit when the kids were young teens. The kids were shocked as all get out when they all discovered that their credit to shot to hell and they weren't even 20 years old yet.

 

[golfmom]

SO, If there is a LIFE INSURANCE policy . . .

I'd set up my tent in the premeditated campground.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

SO, If there is a LIFE INSURANCE policy . . .

I'd set up my tent in the premeditated campground.

If we find the life insurance policy, you may have to make room for many tents in that campsite, GM.

 

[Moxie]

If we find the life insurance policy, you may have to make room for many tents in that campsite, GM.

I'm afraid that campsite would get very crowded. And it wouldn't be happily crowded.

What is missing in the human soul to decide to murder your spouse (or anyone for that matter) for money?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

SO, If there is a LIFE INSURANCE policy . . .

I'd set up my tent in the premeditated campground.

Welcome!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

There was blood in the Durango. From what I understand form a very close source, Raven says that after he found Janet, he had to go to the car to get the cell phone to call 911. That is why there is blood by the door and in the car.

Icare, I am interested about blood being found IN the Durango. Did you receive this information from a reliable source? According to other accounts, the Durango was locked so Raven went back into the house to find Janet's cell phone. It was my understanding that Raven never got into the Durango after finding Janet's body...did I get this wrong?

 

[Breehannah6]

If Raven had bipolar ,quite often the traits are in fact promiscuity hence the affairs. This may answer why janet forgave him and stayed with him. As the parent of a teenage boy with obbsessive compulsive disorder sometimes masking his bi-polar its a hell of a ride to endure! They have very high unrealistic goals that end up in really bad depression when they cant be attained ,the go nuts at the least little thing that goes wrong,scratch on their car, a particular item of clothing not being clean at the wish ect..........and then the maniac who has gone ballistic comes up and give you a hug tells you they love you ect...they appear to be able to charm the birds from the trees!! They do feel the compulsion at times to steal and have no idea why............they dont really need it it just adds to their dream of being special! I hadnt realised until I read this thread he was a sufferer but it explains a lot now I know this If you type in Bipolar+young people it will fill you in on it all!! They actually are charming to others but explode on the people they love the most,mothers,wives ect...
My son will put his car in to be repaired but wont have any money they still live the same great life even when they are broke ,and its a very difficult life for everyone who is close to them, If he is like my son he is treat like a lovable rogue who is forgiven over and over!! The reason is they are very likely to take their own lives when they get depressed ! So maybe he did have a manic attck and kill Janet up until now I have always thought he was innocent

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Breehannah6, thanks so much for your first-hand observations! You must have amazing strength to endure such difficult times.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

So maybe he did have a manic attck and kill Janet up until now I have always thought he was innocent

Can you elaborate on this? I have been battering around this idea, even with all of the circumstancial evidence, but have not come up with another scenerio that sounds legitimate. Any help?

 

[Breehannah6]

Well they become really enraged at the drop of a hat! And they go Ballistic to say they lose the plot is an understatement!

I think Janet may have suffered spousal abuse in fact I am pretty sure she would have been verbally abused ,as well as mentally, Its all part of it! It would have to be hard for a young girl to endure being yelled and screamed at , and I have no doubt if he has bipolar thats the scenario , When they get confronted they have a fit!! and throw huge tantrums. Then they get over it and tell you what you want to hear ,back into the honeymoon phase until next time.

Maybe she thought he was out playing more than soccer, confronted him and he lost it big time! They believe they are superior and more intelligent than everyone around them ,if he did it he probably believes he is too smart to get caught and will deny,deny,deny!
He will be whining to all and sundrie at the moment about how bad it is for him,they are quite self centred creatures.
What more can I say than when I heard this I thought maybe...............
Do I think my own son would kill a girl ? No but his mum probably feels the same

 

[terminatrixator]

If Raven had bipolar ,quite often the traits are in fact promiscuity hence the affairs. This may answer why janet forgave him and stayed with him. As the parent of a teenage boy with obbsessive compulsive disorder sometimes masking his bi-polar its a hell of a ride to endure! They have very high unrealistic goals that end up in really bad depression when they cant be attained ,the go nuts at the least little thing that goes wrong,scratch on their car, a particular item of clothing not being clean at the wish ect..........and then the maniac who has gone ballistic comes up and give you a hug tells you they love you ect...they appear to be able to charm the birds from the trees!! They do feel the compulsion at times to steal and have no idea why............they dont really need it it just adds to their dream of being special! I hadnt realised until I read this thread he was a sufferer but it explains a lot now I know this If you type in Bipolar+young people it will fill you in on it all!! They actually are charming to others but explode on the people they love the most,mothers,wives ect...
My son will put his car in to be repaired but wont have any money they still live the same great life even when they are broke ,and its a very difficult life for everyone who is close to them, If he is like my son he is treat like a lovable rogue who is forgiven over and over!! The reason is they are very likely to take their own lives when they get depressed ! So maybe he did have a manic attck and kill Janet up until now I have always thought he was innocent

One of my best friends is bi-polar, and she spends money like there is no tomorrow, doesn't pay her bills, 1/2 the time she's homeless and lives friend to friend. She works, makes great money usually, comes to live here during the depression state. She is probably the most charming, charismatic people I know. Every summer she becomes manic - doesn't sleep, eat, has to be busy, but to the detriment of her health, and her true friends. During the spring we usually talk about the summer and the upcoming mania state, and I promise I will let her know when I see signs, and I do. I try to get her regulated on her medicine. She starts sneaking around, drinking more and more coffe, then starts drinking, she will end up befriending others that are not good for her at all, and basically find ways to fight with those closest to her, because she is in this manic state, and by then I can't take it anymore. The things she does when she is in the manic state is mind-blowing. By that time, I have to ask her to leave, or she runs away (she's over 30.) My family can't take it. It happens often, to the point that I cannot handle being around her anymore because of the things she does, which brings crap down on my home and my family. She usually goes away for about a year, then tries to contact me, I let her back into my home, but that has ended. I can't allow my family to go through it anymore and had to give up. Makes me feel bad, but my family is more important.

Edited to add: She does talk about suicide during the depressive state, and her way is to drive HORRIBLY!

 

[Breehannah6]

Yes I agree they can really turn on the charm!lol They are hell to live with,thats when they havent took off because you have told them a home truth!lol They tell you everything you want to hear they have seen the light they are definetley gonna change now!!lol Then they go straight back hard at it again!!!

 

[terminatrixator]

Guess the Motive to the Murder is a little more evident now.

 

[Maybe So]

Perhaps Raven thought that a newly widowed and now single father would be a sympathetic figure and be sentenced more lightly (or even have the charges dropped) for the embezzlement?

Or, perhaps he just wanted to be free of the committment and financial responsibility that another baby on the way was going to cause? After all you have to buy clothes and toys for kids instead of yourself when you are a parent.....

 

[golfmom]

Perhaps Raven thought that a newly widowed and now single father would be a sympathetic figure and be sentenced more lightly (or even have the charges dropped) for the embezzlement?

Or, perhaps he just wanted to be free of the committment and financial responsibility that another baby on the way was going to cause? After all you have to buy clothes and toys for kids instead of yourself when you are a parent.....

One baby, CAT & NIP ... two babies, no time to live large and move on.