MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #2

[debirlfan]

I would want to know if that is a spot that she has been known to park at in the past. Maybe she likes to text from that spot (rather than while driving). I would also hope that the gas tank has been inspected for a rupture (and if not, I would hope they know how much fuel is left in it). These cases that get so much internet attention seem to always take "a tip of an iceberg" meme. They tend to escalate into matters of international intrigue, very rapidly. I suppose I am trying to strike the opposite approach. It seems that there is a ratio between how little evidence a case has vs the world of conjecture that little evidence brings to rise.

By the same token, I'd like to know if that's a place where young people go to "park" - whether to drink or to make out. One of the photos I saw make it look as if there were worn indented tire tracks at the base of the rise, as if that was a somewhat popular parking place. I know that the area further up the hill was rather torn up, but my understanding is that there had been rain for several days preceding - soft ground combined with a heavy wrecker and possibly dragging the car out on its rims could have done damage that wasn't initially there.

If it was a known parking spot, then she might have gone there willingly - and anyone driving by and seeing a car (before the fire) wouldn't have paid much attention.

 

[Foxfire]

Not sure if this has been posted, but I found it an odd piece about Darby.



http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/24409474/panola-county-sheriff-sued-and-counter-sues

Wow!
Quotes by criminologist Dr Steven Egger; "Police don't share information across jurisdictional boundaries," Egger said. "There's always some friction there."
http://prtl.uhcl.edu/portal/page/pct/USN/TheSignal/Life?articleId=402

Steven Egger, associate professor of criminology at the University of Houston-Clear Lake, is a nationally recognized expert in serial murder. "Steve Egger is a seminal criminal justice researcher in the very specialized area of serial murders," said Everette Penn, assistant professor of criminology. "Dr. Egger addresses our most inner fears by researching the subject, defining terms, and assisting state, local and federal authorities investigate these most heinous crimes." Currently serial murders are difficult to solve because these agencies do not share information.

Not only is it difficult to figure out why serial killers continue to kill, it is also hard for law enforcement agencies to identify a serial killer due to "linkage blindness," another term coined by Egger. "Police don't share information across jurisdictional boundaries," Egger said. "There's always some friction there."

Agencies prefer to worry only about their own jurisdiction, instead of sharing information to work together to solve a murder. Egger says a serial murder investigation may, but not always, have as many as seven different crime scenes: the place the victim was initially lured, transportation to a different location, the place the victim was kept, transportation to another location, where the victim was killed, where the body was dumped, and where the weapon was dumped. "In most instances all the police have is the dumpsite," Egger said.

Egger says the other crime scenes are never investigated because of linkage blindness and the fact that law enforcement officials usually treat serial murder as a single homicide. "But if you find out that you're talking about multiple dumpsites in different jurisdictions, then you have a higher possibility of coming up with some trace evidence, particularly in the first kill," Egger said. "The offender brings something to the crime scene, leaves something at the crime scene, and takes something away from the crime scene," Egger said when explaining his three part premise of a crime scene and the reason there is not always a lot of trace evidence. "If you have someone who is aware of that, who is careful, and you're only dealing with one dumpsite, and you're treating it as a single homicide, you have no way of managing your suspects," Egger said. Egger says a typical homicide is not difficult to solve because you are simply dealing with people's alibis, and the person without one becomes the prime suspect. However, in a serial murder you do not have that. "All crime is serial in nature," Egger said. "Most criminals, if not caught, will repeat their crime. And if that's true, then you've got to share information."

 

[Zuri]

Agree. I wonder if she had a job after HS? in 2013. It costs a lot to maintain a car, even without loan payments....JMO she had to have some sort of income. JMO

I was wondering the same thing. I haven't read that she had a job, but saw a pic of her with long hair and a lanyard around her neck with a tag. I have no clue where that was from. Gas, cell phone, car insurance, clothing, food, drinks, snacks, cigs (if she smoked); all this stuff adds up. Maybe her parents were helping her as so many of us do. Way beyond the age of hopeful responsibility... IMO

 

[cady]

JMO If LE has JC's phone records, they know what time she made or received calls while at the gas station....so Mr. Ali cannot be telling the truth about the time. The videos reflect the correct time. (He was trying to say that it was really an hour earlier). Hu uh. JMO

 

[kimi_SFC]

No, she has said previously JC went to get gas and a bite to eat before heading to wash her car. I will go grab a link

NVM kimi beat me to it! TY kimi

I recall seeing JC's mom mention it in a MSM on-camera interview. I don't have that link handy. :grouphug:


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[Ms Pragmatic]

Does anyone know if the DA or sheriff ever said this was a murder investigation or did they always say an arson investigation?

If they said arson, then they are trying to determine why the car caught on fire. That would not be unreasonable since without the fire, Jessica probably would have survived the crash (if there was a crash.) IIRC, NHTSA has guidelines or rules for auto makers to install some kind of fuel system shutoff in case of wreck. I didn't read the technical document and probably wouldn't understand it anyway.

Also, Jessica's father works at the S.O. Any agency that does traffic investigations knows that if there is a case that involves death or serious injury, there will usually be a lawsuit. The investigation may be in support of the likely wrongful death or negligence lawsuit against Kia, the car dealer, or an auto repair place.

Arson is a criminal act. It is legally defined as deliberately or intentionally setting property on fire. This would rule out accident if they are investigating arson.

 

[cady]

I was wondering the same thing. I haven't read that she had a job, but saw a pic of her with long hair and a lanyard around her neck with a tag. I have no clue where that was from. Gas, cell phone, car insurance, clothing, food, drinks, snacks, cigs (if she smoked); all this stuff adds up. Maybe her parents were helping her as so many of us do. Way beyond the age of hopeful responsibility... IMO

I wondered about that photo too. Maybe from the shelter? JMO

 

[Zuri]

Hi, my name is Matt and I'm new here. I from St. Louis. I have been trying to post for almost 24 hours now, but there was some kind of discrepancy between my Iphone and my home computer.

Anyways, there are a few things I would like to be explained to me. I have read this whole thread, and many other sources. I have a bunch of questions and theories.
First off, regarding the Sheriff or DA or whoever said that they didn't expect any arrests. That baffled me, the only reason I could think he was saying this is to make whoever did this feel comfortable and start blabbing to people.
Ok, now for some questions I have. Has anyone else seen the interview where Ali states that his camera's haven't been adjusted for daylight savings?
That would mean that there is a gap from 5:30 central to 8:15 or so when she was found. That is around 2 hours and 45 minutes. 165 minutes not 90 minutes, which I have heard from almost every MSM source. Why isn't anyone discussing that?

Also I would like to bring up the seats in the back position. This is common place for wanna be (modsnip) to do. I was friends with (modsnip) in the past and when I was younger. When I would have some of my (modsnip) friends in the car, they would put their seat all the way back. I would forget to adjust it, and always hear the next day, "Matthew!", "Who the heck was in your car?" This is happened so many times because I forgot to adjust the seat back. Finally I started adjusting the seat to normal position to avoid my mom asking. This makes me think that someone was sitting in both seats possibly and either moved her body from one seat to the other, or their were two thugs in the front. I'm thinking the perpetrator might have forgot to adjust the seat back if he was driving her car.
Some more things: I heard her cell phone was found away from the car. This is for possible reasons. Some of you stated this already. But I think the cell phone was thrown out prior to an assault, drug deal, or whatever the heck they were doing with her. This is so that they couldn't ping where this stuff was happening. And to throw LE off track. The other possible thing is that, they didn't want her calling 911 if she did somehow regain consciousness.
With that said, I think whoever did this was sure she was dead. I have so many other theories I want to discuss with you guys but I have to go somewhere and will be back on later tonight around 9:30 Central Time. Thanks for allowing me to post. I'll see you guys later tonight!!!:loveyou:
I apologize for not citing sources, I have to leave right away! But I'll be back. JMO- (modsnip) Peace

Welcome Mattieo86! Thanks for joining us! Your input is most welcome.

Regarding the seatbacks, my "wanna be cool" children drove like that for a while. Fortunately they are not thugs. It seemed as though most of their friends drove that way too, with a baseball cap sideways or backwards or some such nonsense. Fortunately, they grew out if it. I was always annoyed when I got into my car that I couldn't even reach the pedals and was laying so far back trying to get my seatbelt on, it looked like no one was even in the car. I second your mom!

 

[NineMilly]

After watching the fire chief speak in the video a couple of pages back I can't help but wonder what is making him nervous enough to rock the heck out of that chair......

 

[cady]

Arson is a criminal act. It is legally defined as deliberately or intentionally setting property on fire. This would rule out accident if they are investigating arson.

yes. And her death, because of the arson is at least Felony Murder. JMO

 

[FindHG]

Groups work to increase reward in Jessica Chambers case
By Michael Clark Dec 16, 2014 5:06 PM EST

The streets are quiet on the 19-year-old's case and now plans are in the works to increase the reward money to around $30,000 to get someone to come forward with new information.
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Tips are slowly starting to trickle in from the community. There are several agencies in Panola County, each bringing their own expertise to the table.
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"I told somebody earlier today that cases were sometimes easier to solve before the evolution of social media, people were more willing to talk and things like that, but we do live in a modern world now and I fully understand that and we just need to adapt and deal with it," explained Champion.

 

[skibaboo]

"Jessica’s mom, Lisa Chambers, has phone conversation with Jessica at 6:48pm (Jessica is going to get something to eat)"
This is the first I've heard that Jessica was going to get something to eat....she's always said JC went to wash her car, nothing more, IIRC

I recall seeing JC's mom mention it in a MSM on-camera interview. I don't have that link handy. :grouphug:


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Jessica's mother, Lisa Chambers, said her daughter called home Saturday evening to tell her she was going to "get a bite to eat."

The next time Lisa Chambers saw her daughter, she said, was in the hospital.

“[She] said ‘Bye, I love you, Mama. See you in a little while.’ Next time I seen her, she was in the Med,” Lisa Chambers said.

Article dated 10th Dec http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/Authorities-searching-for-whoever-set-Mississippi-girl-on-fire-285160651.html

WREG met with Lisa Chambers, Jessica’s mother, Monday at a funeral home, after she finalized plans for her daughter’s burial.

Chambers said her daughter lived with her, and Jessica planned to go get her car cleaned Saturday evening. She spoke with her daughter on the phone around 6:48 p.m., and Jessica said she was going to get a bite to eat

Article dated 8th Dec http://wreg.com/2014/12/08/search-is-on-for-killer-who-lit-panola-county-teenager-on-fire/

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

yes. And her death, because of the arson is at least Felony Murder. JMO

Exactly. Arson=murder in this case. LE is not investigating an accident. I believe that was ruled out from the get-go.

 

[MizStery]

Hi, my name is Matt and I'm new here. I from St. Louis. I have been trying to post for almost 24 hours now, but there was some kind of discrepancy between my Iphone and my home computer.

<snipped>
me to post. I'll see you guys later tonight!!!:loveyou:
I apologize for not citing sources, I have to leave right away! But I'll be back. JMO- It's pretty dangerous here in STL. Peace

:wagon:

 

[debirlfan]

I read this as the individual at the gas station was ruled out, she knew the usual people hanging out and working there. I don't read this as his implying it was a stranger who killed her; just that she knew the people at the gas station.

Yeah, I just read it as meaning that she hung out there, so it wasn't odd that she saw someone she knew and waved.

 

[cady]

Exactly. Arson=murder in this case. LE is not investigating an accident. I believe that was ruled out from the get-go.

yup. Because of the accelerant. THAT is purposeful. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Welcome to WS! You have made some very good points in your post. Great observations! The seat explanation makes a lot of sense to me.

Oops, I meant to reply to quote of Mattieo86.

 

[debirlfan]

After watching the fire chief speak in the video a couple of pages back I can't help but wonder what is making him nervous enough to rock the heck out of that chair......

You're a 22 year old kid, who's probably already heard "you're too young and inexperienced for that job" - and now you're thrust into the national spotlight in the middle of a gristly murder? I can't imagine him -not- being nervous.

 

[lonetraveler]

I read this as the individual at the gas station was ruled out, she knew the usual people hanging out and working there. I don't read this as his implying it was a stranger who killed her; just that she knew the people at the gas station.

I believe that she knew her killer or killers so with the people she knew a the station being ruled out just because she knew them is a rather premature assumption made by the sheriff, IMO.

 

[NineMilly]

You're a 22 year old kid, who's probably already heard "you're too young and inexperienced for that job" - and now you're thrust into the national spotlight in the middle of a gristly murder? I can't imagine him -not- being nervous.

Perhaps, not suggesting something sinister was just an observation.....