MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #3

[IBsleuthin]

I had not read this yet;

"Jessica's sister, Amanda Prince, said it's the family's understanding from police that someone was inside Jessica's car before the attack."

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2014...-girl-on-fire-was-hiding-in-her-car/20148221/

 

[bessie]

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[ATasteOfHoney]

Agreed, competent, trusted mechanic for motor pool is crucial.

What happened after the arrest? Conviction? Charges dropped? What?
Is it possible that Dad's PCSO employment pre-dates his arrest?
If his employment pre-dated arrest, is it possible chg was dropped and his employment continued?

Sorry, I don't recall date or yr of Jessica's dad's arrest.
JM2cts.

With all due respect, it doesn't work that way.

 

[SeeAlice]

I see nothing wrong with former criminals, especially non-violent ones, being given a second chance to be a gainfully employed, productive citizen. Jessica's father may be an ace mechanic who would otherwise (re)turn to a life of drugs and crime. His job does not put him in contact with the jail population, prisoners, victims or the general public interacting with law enforcement.

Who better to help him on the (presumed) road to recovery? I don't know when he was purportedly arrested on those charges but the fact that he kept his act together when his older son died two years ago speaks well of him and the people he has chosen to surround himself with, including the deputies of this county.

I have a suspicious mind, just like everyone else here does, but I try not to see evil and corruption and presume that whole groups of people are (gang members, corrupt, part of a big conspiracy, racist, etc.) without first hand knowledge or a determination by a person or group duly authorized to examine the evidence deemed worthy of consideration by our courts.

Our judicial system is not perfect and sometimes I get angry and think "injustice!" but it's the best that any country has ever managed to create before.

(Wonder how many hours until I have to eat those words?)

 

[katydid23]

I don't think anyone is implying the father had anything at all to do with the horrid crime. Just noting the possibility that someone from his circle might be looking for vengeance?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

fftobed:

 

[SeeAlice]

The ratio of what we know to what we think we know is still breathtakingly small.

Like. Favorite.

 

[IBsleuthin]

For those of you unfamiliar, Google Earth is just an amazing thing. I could spend hours on there just looking around on 'Street View'.

At that, if you go to street view and take a look at the site of the car burning, what do you make of it?

Think if you were from out of the area. Out of towner from who knows where and you decide to just randomly kill this young woman. Would you pick that spot to set the car on fire?


Logical thinking. My humble opinion is, this is someone right from there, I'll bet the farm. And she knew the person who did it. (doesn't mean she was FRIENDS with the person, but knew who).

Also, there are several sites that have good clear photos of her car and it's safe to say it did not crash and burn.

LE needs to LEAN on those locals.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Also...think back to how many crimes across the span of decades here, you've read about where the murderer was actually interviewed by the police very early on in the case. Then, ruled out for some odd reason.

Um hmmm.

 

[SeeAlice]

So, the reports of JC telling the fire chief who did this to her were false? Or she uttered words he couldn't make out? Could the reported name Eric have been "Wreck"?

What if in fact, this was a wreck? I know nothing about cars, but in my old 2004 Mercedes, I could smell gas fumes at times inside the car. I called the dealership and they told me to bring the car in immediately. They said don't light a cigarette or match. Apparently some seal or something had rotted from age. The gas tank was positioned basically under the back seat. I had it repaired as my daughter took over the car.

Since JC drove an older 2005 model, could something like that have happened where the gas tank was damaged as the car went up the embankment? And she engaged the parking brake due to the incline? And not realizing fumes were building, she lit a cigarette? And the car ignited?

Yes I am looking at other plausible scenarios....
I am wondering now if she was texting while driving or swerved to miss a deer or over corrected?

Now there's something I hadn't thought of that may fit what we have been told by LE and DA.

Could they be examining her cell phone records, her google searches, and her FB account, to possibly determine if she had glanced down to read an incoming text or was writing one or "Liking" a FB post at the estimated time of the crash? (if she did in fact crash.)

 

[flatfootjoe]

I'm an analyst/troubleshooter, I dissect problems daily, I've always approached all problems the same way. I guess eventually I got very lucky and ended up able to find employment in two different fields where I could apply this skill. I dissect all problems alike, starting at the beginning, from the bottom up.

This is something I meant to post when I first came to this thread.

I don't think AA is lying about anything. I think he's been honest since the beginning, everything he's said seems to be substantiated in an off handed manner or directly. He might be complicit in silence, but I don't think he's the kind of kid to be involved in that world, he might want to be, but he isn't. I am a great judge of character, I even had a job where that was part of my duties, to assess people coming in to do business with us. You're probably wondering where I haven't worked by now. Lets just say I bounced around a lot before I found my calling, and even after that I had one job that allowed me to use nearly every skill I had developed to that point.

AA claims he said "Wow 14$, why so much gas (laughingly) to JC. She dismissed him with, "I'm going somewhere"
AA seems like a friendly guy, and he wasn't nosing, he was jokingly asking, why the break in pattern.
Jessica likely dismissed him not because she didn't want him to know, but she didn't want the whole town including her mother to know.

A 2005 Kia Rio claims 29 MPG highway.
Considering the price of regular gas in Courtland at the time (I saw signs) 2.39 / gal, Jessica got almost 6 gallons of gas. 5.86 to be exact. Assuming she got maximum mileage, she would have gotten ~170 miles total range.

So we have a maximum radius by road, of 85 miles to take a trip.

So where was Jessica headed. What does the world have to offer JC <=85 miles away that she can't find in Courtland, or nearby Batesville. What's in range?
Memphis is in range. 69 miles, 1 hr 4 minutes

JC told her mother, going to grab something to eat, then clean out my car.
In my world, this gives me ~2:30 to eat, then clean my car. Okay, I'm very picky when I clean my car, first I wash, then vacuum and do the windows...
So for the sake of a sloppier than me JC, this could mean 2 hrs of mom free bothering.
Where could she go and return in 2 hours that mom wouldn't get worried about her.
She could go to Memphis.

Now you have to ask, jeez joe, why Memphis. What the hell is in Memphis she can't find in Courtland or Batesville.
Well readers, Memphis has one big airport.
Now why you wonder, why would she go to an airport 70 miles away to pick someone up, someone she didn't want her mother to know about.
Why? Who. For me it's evident. That flight was never going to come in though, because the rider never took the plane, he never intended to.

The person that was going to ride with her to the airport knew that though. He knew they weren't going to Memphis. He knew Jessica was going to die that night. He was going to get the ball in motion.

It took me days to realize why the car was up the embankment and not on the road because there wasn't crash damage to the car. Someone wanted it to look like an accident. There's no collision damage to the car, or the tree in front of it though. Even if she hit that embankment at 30 MPH forward momentum would have carried he into that tree. The coward could have at least tried to stage the accident better, at least running into the tree or jumping out before the impact. It was no accident, Courtland LE knew it, the FBI knows it. They're coming for you scumbags.

Jessica did not go gently into that good night
Jessica raged against the dying of the light.

They're coming for you scumbags. They're coming.

 

[al66pine]

With all due respect, it doesn't work that way.

Not disagreeing or arguing, just trying to understand the post.
Repeating the question: Did Dad's PCSO employment pre-date his arrest?

Assuming so, are you saying a county employee, on arrest for drugs, would either be forced to resign or w/be fired, before conviction?
Thinking about a few (admittedly) anecdotal examples of state or county employees staying on payroll, after criminal charges, pre-trial.
Maybe unions were involved in those ex's.

Or are you saying something else? Sorry to be dense. Thx in adv.

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Originally Posted by al66pine Agreed, competent, trusted mechanic for motor pool is crucial.

What happened after the arrest? Conviction? Charges dropped? What?
Is it possible that Dad's PCSO employment pre-dates his arrest?
If his employment pre-dated arrest, is it possible chg was dropped and his employment continued?

Sorry, I don't recall date or yr of Jessica's dad's arrest.
JM2cts.

 

[SStarr33]

For those of you unfamiliar, Google Earth is just an amazing thing. I could spend hours on there just looking around on 'Street View'.

At that, if you go to street view and take a look at the site of the car burning, what do you make of it?

Think if you were from out of the area. Out of towner from who knows where and you decide to just randomly kill this young woman. Would you pick that spot to set the car on fire?


Logical thinking. My humble opinion is, this is someone right from there, I'll bet the farm. And she knew the person who did it. (doesn't mean she was FRIENDS with the person, but knew who).

Also, there are several sites that have good clear photos of her car and it's safe to say it did not crash and burn.

LE needs to LEAN on those locals.

I would not pick a place to burn someone up that is so close to a fire station.

 

[ZOOL]

I don't see anywhere in there they were there until after 2:37 or that Gerald White was at the scene.

Paragraph 8:
Chambers had been doused with an accelerant that left 95 percent of her body burned, Panola County Coroner Gracie Grant-Gulledge said, yet was not pronounced dead until 2:37 a.m. Sunday morning. The coroner said that there was some initial confusion at the Med about the time of death, and investigators received word before they left the crime scene that Chambers was dead.

If they "received word before they left", and if Chambers died at 2:37am, then it is logical to assume that they were still at the crime scene sometime around 2:30am. As to White...you are right. No one is saying that he was at the crime scene. The reference to White is that he is on the staff, and that it is a fair probability that his 28.5 years experience in fire investigation is a plus for the investigation.

 

[flatfootjoe]

This is way out there, but I was wondering why anyone would leave their wipers out and off the wind shield, besides waiting for them to dry after having been freshly cleaned, around there? Is it something people do often, that you've seen?

It is where I live, in the winter, or after I clean my car. In the winter, so they don't freeze to the glass, lots of people do this. After I wash my car so they don't leave lines on the windshield, I am anal-retentive as hell and I probably am the only person who does this.

 

[gregjrichards]

Wow, I've just come through from about page 3. Lots of excellent thoughts and comments.

Here's something: Her brother apparently was killed in a car crash in 2012.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urned-alive-died-car-crash-two-years-ago.html

That's terrible so much tragedy for a family to endure in a short space of time. It's tragic enough burying one child never mind two it's very, very sad indeed.

Thanks for all your posts and updates.

 

[SStarr33]

If they "received word before they left", and if Chambers died at 2:37am, then it is logical to assume that they were still at the crime scene sometime around 2:30am. As to White...you are right. No one is saying that he was at the crime scene. The reference to White is that he is on the staff, and that it is a fair probability that his 28.5 years experience in fire investigation is a plus for the investigation.

It is not logical to me, it is just made up. We have no idea from that article when they left.

 

[flatfootjoe]

I would not pick a place to burn someone up that is so close to a fire station.

Using google earth, could you find a better location, assuming you do or don't know traffic density for the area?

 

[SStarr33]

Using google earth, could you find a better location, assuming you do or don't know traffic density for the area?

I don't know the area, but it doesn't makes sense to me to do it half a mile from a fire station. Do volunteer depts keep their stations staffed?

 

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by SStarr33 View Post
I would not pick a place to burn someone up that is so close to a fire station.

Using google earth, could you find a better location, assuming you do or don't know traffic density for the area?

The Courtland was on another call/alarm when the 911 call came in for JC's automobile fire. Wonder if the perp/s were monitoring the FD/LE activity on a scanner? Usually when a VFD unit is on a call, an outside FD unit may have to be dispatched from a farther distance causing a delayed response time. In this case the CVFD had finished the call that they were on nearby, which improved their response time. The perp/s would not have known when the CVFD would get back in service from the prior call..