MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

[desertmama]

I've been suspicious of just about everybody in and around Courtland at one time or another during the course of my reading and thinking, but I still think whomever it was had a very personal vendetta against Jessica. It was planned but not thought through carefully. The opportunity presented itself and was taken. JMO

I usually read and don't comment, but I have a question I feel is really important. Forgive me if it's been addressed and I missed it: Did Jessica babysit, and if so, for who?

 

[MSCJgrad]

Agreed, and it could be said that the statement by AA, clearly stating that he knew accelerant was used as 'the sheriffs' told him.

Physical evidence notwithstanding... I will chime in + voice concern on possible details being leaked as a potential issue.

It appears that Fire Chief Cole Haley's statement on the record (the one in which he is videotaped by the news media that has been linked here, previously) simply summarizes what he saw + heard without giving precise details such as what Jessica was able to communicate.

But then, we have Janice Broach for WMC Action News 5 reporting that:
"Investigators say Chambers was able to talk with the first responder. B____ says the investigator mentioned to him that Chambers had said the name Derrick or Eric. "
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...ath-jessica-chambers-says-he-did-not-know-her

My point is: Neither the Fire Chief nor any LE official have gone on record, that I know of, reporting any name that Jessica said. We only know this from a source that was questioned. But if an investigator told him that sort of sensitive information in questioning - and if it is in fact true - mightn't that be an issue in terms of protecting the investigation?

 

[StacyMarie83]

BBM Champion interview: http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/clip/...hn-champion?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass
Regarding the car being left at the gas station while the tow driver stopped for a drink: "In retrospect, do we wish he had not done this? Certainly"

My mom works for a towing place and at night younger guys work and are huge show offs - i can completely see them stopping to show it off to some buddies - but in this case - who knows - could be something more sinister here. :-/ especially with the erased sections of footage.

 

[SteveP]

I usually read and don't comment, but I have a question I feel is really important. Forgive me if it's been addressed and I missed it: Did Jessica babysit, and if so, for who?

I think I have read every post of every thread of this case, and I do not believe that question has been asked, and it is a darn good one, imo...glad you asked! I hope someone knows the answer. Seems very possible that she may have at some time, as we haven't heard a lot of her employment history other than Goody's and perhaps a stint at Sonic, where RT worked, and I don't believe that has ever been verified.

ETA RT didn't work at Sonic. I meant LF. Thanks, New1

 

[MSCJgrad]

You make a very good point. Every few days, I see the debate of evidence being rehashed, and I think to myself- seriously?? I'm just ready to agree to disagree at this point. The chain of evidence protocol has been completely broken down many, many times. As has the whole concept of the mere possibility of tainting of evidence creating a reasonable doubt. It's safe to say we can move on. If we want to reminiss, see previous threads, with links, JMO.

Just the fact that it's been such a contentious issue debated among us here leads me to believe it will certainly be brought up in a courtroom.

If all evidence was processed + secured properly, then hopefully that will be shown to be true by specifics that are not known to us, the public.

If it was NOT, then hopefully there will be enough mitigating factors or other evidence to be sufficient in achieving justice. Let's hope so!

 

[FelicityLemon]

You make a very good point. Every few days, I see the debate of evidence being rehashed, and I think to myself- seriously?? I'm just ready to agree to disagree at this point. The chain of evidence protocol has been completely broken down many, many times. As has the whole concept of the mere possibility of tainting of evidence creating a reasonable doubt. It's safe to say we can move on. If we want to reminiss, see previous threads, with links, JMO.

Amen. :loveyou:

 

[New1]

I usually read and don't comment, but I have a question I feel is really important. Forgive me if it's been addressed and I missed it: Did Jessica babysit, and if so, for who?

Not that I've ever read or heard about.

 

[tlcya]

You make a very good point. Every few days, I see the debate of evidence being rehashed, and I think to myself- seriously?? I'm just ready to agree to disagree at this point. The chain of evidence protocol has been completely broken down many, many times. As has the whole concept of the mere possibility of tainting of evidence creating a reasonable doubt. It's safe to say we can move on. If we want to reminiss, see previous threads, with links, JMO.

I agree, agreeing to disagree. But I do see how it continues to be debated. With so little new info to work on, many things continue to be debated, quiet, and the come round to be debated again. Such is the nature of this forum when there is nothing NEW to be chewed on. JMO. That is when each member decides whether to rehash that which they have already chewed all flavor from, or simply scroll and roll if they feel they have done it to death on that issue.

 

[New1]

I think I have read every post of every thread of this case, and I do not believe that question has been asked, and it is a darn good one, imo...glad you asked! I hope someone knows the answer. Seems very possible that she may have at some time, as we haven't heard a lot of her employment history other than Goody's and perhaps a stint at Sonic, where RT worked, and I don't believe that has ever been verified.

IIRC, it isn't RT who works at Sonic. It was LF who said Jessica was one of her "sonic babies." I could be wrong.

 

[SteveP]

IIRC, it isn't RT who works at Sonic. It was LF who said Jessica was one of her "sonic babies." I could be wrong.

You are exactly right...I had a brain fart. Thanks for setting the record straight. Too damn much dancing around names on this thread.

 

[MyBelle]

Just the fact that it's been such a contentious issue debated among us here leads me to believe it will certainly be brought up in a courtroom.

If all evidence was processed + secured properly, then hopefully that will be shown to be true by specifics that are not known to us, the public.

If it was NOT, then hopefully there will be enough mitigating factors or other evidence to be sufficient in achieving justice. Let's hope so!

I think you are jumping the gun, sotospeak. It also isn't a contentious issue worthy of debate just because posters here claim it is. There has to be an arrest before it can be brought up in a courtroom. I also think it is a tad hypocritical to suggest LE screwed up the evidence and then to opine there is no evidence. There has been an incredible amount of pure crap brought here from social media and I applaud the mods for cracking down. That's just how I feel. If you want to continue to try to bring it over, good luck.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Regardless of the fact that it would be physically impossible to fully process a car-let alone a car that had been fully engulfed in flames, such as JC's- in the time frame that the car remained at the scene (see media thread timeline), it was also noted by Fox News reporter Tom Dees on his Twitter account, on December 30, that he had personally witnessed the car being processed by the MBI the previous Monday, which was 2 days after the fact. There is video/pictures as well, on previous threads, as well as on the media thread, if I'm not mistaken.

Would you please share your expertise in the length of time it takes to process a car after being incinerated in a fire? I've not seen Tom Dees making such accusations. Thank you.

 

[suspicious1]

There's really no point in destroying the phone. The phone RECORDS will still be there if the phone were destroyed, the perp/s took it with them, threw it into a river, or whatever. No matter what was done to the physical phone, LE could still retrieve the data from records from the cell phone company. JMO

Would they be able to retrieve photos without the phone? Just wondering.

 

[Steleheart]

There's really no point in destroying the phone. The phone RECORDS will still be there if the phone were destroyed, the perp/s took it with them, threw it into a river, or whatever. No matter what was done to the physical phone, LE could still retrieve the data from records from the cell phone company. JMO

Would they be able to retrieve photos without the phone? Just wondering.

On another case I followed I found this information on what kind of data is retained and what is retrievable. Not all information is retained and certainly not unless subpoenaed immediately within the window that the carriers retain the info. Check out the link from ACLU and look at text message "content" as opposed to text message "Detail".

https://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loc...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

In other words the text was sent but what did it say? And with pictures, yes a picture was sent but what was it a picture of?

This is the reason that the actual phone is so necessary. The other aspect is "cloud" storage which I have no clue about, LOL

The bottom line is that there is not as much information as we think that is retrievable by LE.

It's a 2 edged sword IMO

:cow:

 

[Yvettea]

So long as your cell phone is powered on, your location can be estimated by looking at multiple cell towers in the range of your phone. Though your precise location can’t be pinpointed, the phone provider can measure the strength of the connection and the level of attenuation with the towers in order to constrain your location to within a few hundred meters.
http://engineering.mit.edu/ask/are-...ons-stored-somewhere-and-are-they-retrievable

So according to that quote it wouldn't be necessary to remove the battery from the phone to prevent the phone from pinging. You would simply need to power down the phone.

For someone knowledgeable it would be more likely they removed the battery to try to erase the data.

ETA: There's more information at the link about what is stored in the cloud.

 

[MSCJgrad]

See previous threads, with links. I most certainly am accusing LE of mishandling the crime scene, evidence, and COA protocol. I call it like I see it, and that's how I see it. The previous threads provide more than enough examples, with links, as to why I have this opinion. I have not, however, ever given a reason as to why this case has not been solved. Those two topics are not necessarily interchangeable, IMO. Your guess is as good as mine as far as why this crime has not been solved. As much as I do respect your opinion and your right to voice it, the one thing we can agree on at this point is that this is a heinous crime. I'm all in on that one.

Move on? Your accusations that the chain of evidence protocol has been broken down "many, many times," needs evidence of it.
Please provide the evidence.

This is a heinous crime and you are accusing law enforcement of screwing it up as the reason it has not been solved. I'd appreciate a little more evidence that they did so and that is why this murder has not been solved.

JMO

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Would you please share your expertise in the length of time it takes to process a car after being incinerated in a fire? I've not seen Tom Dees making such accusations. Thank you.

BBM

Much longer than 1 hour in the dark.

Who cares what Tom Dees thinks? I certainly don't.

 

[wfgodot]

New year, new car fire suicide:

PD: Vehicle fire at N. Phoenix Walgreens appears to be suicide (azfamily.com)

 

[SteveP]

See previous threads, with links. I most certainly am accusing LE of mishandling the crime scene, evidence, and COA protocol. I call it like I see it, and that's how I see it. The previous threads provide more than enough examples, with links, as to why I have this opinion. I have not, however, ever given a reason as to why this case has not been solved. Those two topics are not necessarily interchangeable, IMO. Your guess is as good as mine as far as why this crime has not been solved. As much as I do respect your opinion and your right to voice it, the one thing we can agree on at this point is that this is a heinous crime. I'm all in on that one.

For those here who are old enough to remember, there was a song recorded by Vicki Lawrence, of the Carol Burnett Show and Mama's Family, back in 1972, and later released again by country singer Reba McEntire, called 'The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia'. One line from that song pops into my head anytime I think of the crime scene investigation the night Jessica was killed...'Supper's waitin' at home and I gotta get to it'. JMO

 

[MSCJgrad]

For those here who are old enough to remember, there was a song recorded by Vicki Lawrence, of the Carol Burnett show and Mama's family, back in 1972, and later released again by country singer Reba McEntire, called 'The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia'. One line from that song pops into my head anytime I think of the crime scene investigation the night Jessica was killed...'Supper's waitin' at home and I gotta get to it'. JMO

LOVE that song!