MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 ; Quinton Tellis Indicted - #12

[MizStery]

the carefulness and knowledge of the homicidal arsonist(s). It was not their first time. The DA told us that. The blowback is why I felt a molotov or two was thrown for igniting

ATasteOfHoney posted the above quote over a year ago in January 10,2015. That question has haunted me;but recently DeeDee's posts brought it more in focus. Think about the quote from Ben Chambers in People that added 30 minutes to the burn time on Herron Road! Who better than CVFFCH had opportunity,training,confidence and professional gear to do a controlled burn?Someone who had a background in arsonist/insurance fraud i.e.fire investigation bureaucracy. Who else along with Sheriff Darby responsible for the narrative of crimescene TL. (My opinion only)


I join with ATasteOfHoney in asking:
Indeed,"who is comfortable around fire, iykwim???"





This post is my opinion only.Please do not repost elsewhere unless linked to Webseluths.
:cow:

Mizstery, I won't critique your theory, but will add one point about your statement, "whoever managed this crime scene was no novice with accelerants,burn times & handling flash fires etc."

If gasoline was used (and due to the extensive burning of the car, inside and out, I really think it was) then it had to be someone experience with such use. To get that kind of complete burning, the car had to be doused inside and out, IMO. Gasoline is very volatile, and in confined spaces, downright explosive. Even with all the windows rolled down, partially vaporized gasoline in the passenger compartment would have made a very loud "whooshing" noise when ignited, might even have created enough instantaneous pressure to blow out both windshields. The killer(s) would have been battling two things: anxiety over being caught, and fear of becoming part of the conflagration. Any gasoline spilled on the perp(s) could have resulted in the perp(s) being ignited along with the car, from the blowback. And at that time of year especially, with the air cold and dry, a simple static electricity spark from a sleeve brushing across a metal door could have touched it off. So the dousing had to be done very carefully, or at least as carefully as time permitted, since a passing car at any point could have caught the criminal(s) in the act. It is even plausible that everything was ready to go at some point, but the perp(s) waited a few minutes to be sure any approaching car headlights passed by before igniting it.
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JMO

Originally Posted by MizStery *
<snip>similar MO in Courtland that mimics ... an accident scene that results in the brutal death of victim. I think it's there as Champion said the suspect has done this before!


Two men killed in Panola
killed in Panola County fire
May 30,2014
Both are volunteer firefighters and heard alarms on their radios(scanners) go off and rushed outside to help.

Without firefighting equipment at home, they were helpless.

All they could do was help console the two women Capwell saved.

&#8220;They was hollering and screaming, telling us to get them out of the house,&#8221; said Jon French.
&#8220;How did you feel? You know you can help put out fires,&#8221; said WREG&#8217;s Elise Preston.
&#8220;But, there was nothing to do it with. It was hard on me,&#8221; replied Jonathan French.

It also hard on many other volunteer firefighters who live nearby, the Courtland Volunteer Fire Department is offering counseling sessions for them this weekend.
http://wreg.com/2014/05/30/two-men-killed-in-panola-county-fire/


Before,I get to my theory. I believe Champion gave us a big clue. The 'suspect' has done this same MO before. So,I suggest sleuthing anything that might suggest a similar MO in Courtland that mimics...

Is there a fire bug or arsonist or serial killer.
I am troubled by this question. Does anyone know of any more unsolved fires or arsons?

:cow: Please do not post elsewhere unless linked to Websleuths.:tyou:

 

[rbarber17]

And, from Australia,

Would that screwball LE working the Chambers case had asked themselves this question instead of swallowing (or inventing) the "Jess spoke" malarky and deciding right away.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/02/05/07/29/body-found-after-vic-car-fire

The possibilities seem to be one of the following:
o suicide
o accident
o murder
o an act of God (meteorite)

Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. Suppose it was an accident, and Jessica did speak with the Courtland VFD Chief before blacking out:

1st Responder: "Who did this to you?"
Jessica: "A wreck, a wreck, a wreck..." (garbled speech)​

But how could her car have been so totally consumed by fire, inside and out, from just a minor accident? Transporting some type of flammable liquid? Seems to me that would have burned the interior, and Jessica, far worse than the car's exterior. But from the photos taken at the M&M and the impound lot, I'd say the inside and outside were consumed about the same.

JMO
:cuckoo:

 

[MizStery]

I am always attempting to connect extraneous bits of information. My theory of what could have happened only.

This is just an example of a low cost way to track someone without the expense of a transponder:
Could it be someone tracked Jessica's movements;because of trust issues?

How to Track Your Vehicle on The Cheap
If you have an old GPS phone lying around you can rig your own vehicle tracking system for nothing.

1) If you have an old handset (make sure it has GPS), skip directly to software installation bit.&#8232;&#8226; If you don't, head over to a electronics outlet and buy one. Don't install internet access (this is not a smartphone, and you have to manually activate that in the settings). Otherwise your phone won't be able to transmit data.

2) Tweak the settings. Presumably, you're only going to use this for vehicle tracking, so you'll want to set the ringer volume to 0 and mute the keypad. No point in alerting the driver to the fact they're being tracked, right?

So,whoever has the number that the GPS transmits to ;knows exactly where the vehicle is. A stealthy way to stalk the person. Very creepy,easy to surprise & confront.If this is indeed the case why no arrest?What would absolve someone and be a perfect alibi?Perhaps Herron Road was staged? Ranch's quote;The fire makes the timeline pretty tight for anyone to try and make up an alibi

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[Batman's Mommy]

Wow .....just wow !
Fear ?

Since their names would be required to sign...... oh yea. This does not surprise me in the least. The infuriating part is that a PETITION had to be circulated in the first DARN place!! This should be the most telling thing to astute observers.

1) There is obvious corruption at many different governmental levels in the area.
2) There is unchecked public gang activity.
3) There are federal agencies monitoring the area.
4) The only resort that the citizens had to try and remove the corrupt official was to start a petition, ask individuals to sign their names and addresses stating that he was/is corrupt.
5) He is basically the only LE official in the area, and even sued a neighboring LEO.

This was the only resort to try and get statewide assistance?

JMO, there is something much larger going on in this area. There is a reason that the gang activity is prevalent and unchecked by LE at the local, state and federal level. Outside of protecting our nation's leaders, there are only one or two other instances that get the Secret Service involved.

http://www.secretservice.gov/investigation/

http://kron4.com/2015/12/20/fbi-investigation-into-teen-burned-alive-yields-gang-arrests/

Officials say the operation focuses on Panola County, Mississippi, and is a byproduct of the deep investigation that has come through the probe into the death of Jessica Chambers.

Panola County Sheriff Dennis Darby told The Clarion-Ledger Tuesday&#8217;s arrests are not directly related to Chambers&#8217; death but to information gathered as authorities have interviewed more than 150 people and sorted through more than 20,000 phone records trying to find her killer.

The following link contains a large insight into the gang activity in the area. Not much has changed in 6 years, IMO.

https://info.publicintelligence.net/MSAIC-GangsAssessment2010.pdf

 

[Batman's Mommy]

I have a simple theory.

This is JMO and a theory, nothing more:

JC had been dating guys that were known gang affiliates(possibly to two separate gangs). JC had taken steps to change her life(whatever that may have been). USMS was present in the area, for some unknown reason, prior to JC's death. IMO, an obvious investigation of some sorts was in the works prior to December 6, 2014. JMO, it probably isn't as simple as just "unsubscribing" to gang membership/affiliation. There is no way to know what information that JC knew about the inner workings of any of the gangs. IF the USMS had been putting pressure on high ranking gang members, someone, from the community, had to be giving the USMS information on the identities of the members. Anytime someone pours gasoline/accelerant down someone's mouth to kill them, there is a message sent, JMO.

If this was the case, I have often thought that whoever may have been "snitching" could have easily started a rumor that JC was "snitching" to divert attention away from themselves.....so that they weren't burnt alive... If JC was an informant, I doubt any of the public will ever know.

This is just my theory of what could have happened, and why it has been so hard to solve. For all we know, the feds may know who really killed JC. Proving it may be the hold-up because I doubt many would come forward and volunteer incriminating information.

ALL JMO :moo:

 

[rbarber17]

ME is still my number one suspect (Ouachita, LA arrest report 8/9/2015 -- eight months after Jessica's murder):
http://sovweb01.opso.net/NewWorld.Aegis.WebPortal/GetImage.aspx?ImageKey=1A20BOEH
Might need to hit refresh if webpage fails to load, or here is a "jpeg" copy


Earlier posts:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?296487-MS-Jessica-Chambers-19-found-burned-near-her-car-Panola-County-6-Dec-2014-12&p=12309270#post12309270
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?281209-MS-Jessica-Chambers-19-found-burned-near-her-car-Panola-County-6-Dec-2014-11&p=12230133#post12230133

JMO

 

[DeDee]

I am always attempting to connect extraneous bits of information. My theory of what could have happened only.

This is just an example of a low cost way to track someone without the expense of a transponder:
Could it be someone tracked Jessica's movements;because of trust issues?

How to Track Your Vehicle on The Cheap
If you have an old GPS phone lying around you can rig your own vehicle tracking system for nothing.

1) If you have an old handset (make sure it has GPS), skip directly to software installation bit.&#8232;• If you don't, head over to a electronics outlet and buy one. Don't install internet access (this is not a smartphone, and you have to manually activate that in the settings). Otherwise your phone won't be able to transmit data.

2) Tweak the settings. Presumably, you're only going to use this for vehicle tracking, so you'll want to set the ringer volume to 0 and mute the keypad. No point in alerting the driver to the fact they're being tracked, right?

So,whoever has the number that the GPS transmits to ;knows exactly where the vehicle is. A stealthy way to stalk the person. Very creepy,easy to surprise & confront.If this is indeed the case why no arrest?What would absolve someone and be a perfect alibi?Perhaps Herron Road was staged? Ranch's quote;The fire makes the timeline pretty tight for anyone to try and make up an alibi

:cow: Please do not post anywhere else unless linked to Websleuths.

A stealthy way to stalk the person. Very creepy,easy to surprise & confront.

Brilliant idea, Madame MizStery. Thank you for adding this interesting twist as a possibility.

I have friends who have tracked their children's activities using tracking apps. One had a device attached to her daughter's vehicle. She knew the speed her daughter traveled, every stop the child made and how long she stayed by using her own smartphone or iPad as the viewing tool complete with text and email alerts.

Modern vehicles are equipped with optional tracking devices already installed. A missing woman with a pg on WS had her husband track down her car which was a newer model Lincoln. She was found deceased not far from her vehicle. Her cause of death was ruled accidental overdose. Autopsy toxicology report revealed methamphetamine althouugh she wore a patch of Naltrexone which is used to curb desire for opiates. The combination of the two drugs possibly caused her to go into a psychosis. She left her vehicle running with the lights on. She ran into a thicket toward a dangerous river. Her body was found feet away from the edge of the river's bank. I remain suspicious of the "accidental overdose" ruling for several reasons.

Onstar
"It provides some of the features an OEM system has, such as Automatic Crash Response, Stolen Vehicle Tracking, Turn-by-Turn Navigation, and Roadside Assistance."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnStar

OnStar RemoteLink
Description
"OnStar RemoteLink keeps you connected to your vehicle so you can remotely control your vehicle features all from your Apple devices." "Security only the owner or their designate has access to the vehicle and its data. Specifically, RemoteLink features a robust registration, login and PIN ..."
https://www.onstar.com/us/en/search.html?q=vehicle+tracking+

GPS
"GPS vehicle trackers are invaluable tools for monitoring either a single car or an entire fleet of vehicles. A real-time car tracking device gives you up-to-the-minute speed and location updates..."
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/category/gps+tracking/vehicle+tracking+devices.do

If 20,000 phone calls and texts were inspected does that include the family, the CVFD, city employees, registered sexual offenders or only the gangs' phones texts and calls? How did LEO decide whose phone calls and texts to inspect? This conception of tracking Jessica's car is new to me and must be given more consideration and research.

 

[rbarber17]

Originally Posted by MizStery *
<snip>similar MO in Courtland that mimics ... an accident scene that results in the brutal death of victim. I think it's there as Champion said the suspect has done this before!


Two men killed in Panola
killed in Panola County fire
May 30,2014
Both are volunteer firefighters and heard alarms on their radios(scanners) go off and rushed outside to help.

Without firefighting equipment at home, they were helpless.

All they could do was help console the two women Capwell saved.

“They was hollering and screaming, telling us to get them out of the house,” said Jon French.
“How did you feel? You know you can help put out fires,” said WREG’s Elise Preston.
“But, there was nothing to do it with. It was hard on me,” replied Jonathan French.

It also hard on many other volunteer firefighters who live nearby, the Courtland Volunteer Fire Department is offering counseling sessions for them this weekend.
http://wreg.com/2014/05/30/two-men-killed-in-panola-county-fire/


Before,I get to my theory. I believe Champion gave us a big clue. The 'suspect' has done this same MO before. So,I suggest sleuthing anything that might suggest a similar MO in Courtland that mimics...

Is there a fire bug or arsonist or serial killer.
I am troubled by this question. Does anyone know of any more unsolved fires or arsons?

<emphasis added by me>

:cow: Please do not post elsewhere unless linked to Websleuths.:tyou:

PAST
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I found a couple of previous "solved" arsons in the area:

In 2009, three were arrested for a house fire in Pope:
http://www.panolian.com/v2/content.aspx?module=contentitem&id=140571&memberid=1180

There was a murder in Quitman County, MS, back in 2013. Quitman is the next county west of Panola County. The victim's body was doused with gasoline and burned:
http://wreg.com/2015/03/12/guilty-verdict-in-marco-mcmillian-case/

Didn't find any "unsolved" arsons, however, except the obvious one. That's not surprising to me, as close as LE seems to be holding their cards these days. They're what my own mother-in-law used to say about what the ideal mother-in-law should be like: A potato (all eyes and no tongue).


PRESENT
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Here are crime statistics that suggest Panola County, MS is -above- the national average for violent crimes (June, 2014):
http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/mississippi/panola


FUTURE
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These are probably who the perp(s) will turn to eventually when caught, unless a Public Defender is appointed instead:
https://lawyers.law.cornell.edu/lawyers/criminal-law/mississippi/batesville
Q. Why won't a lawyer run over a snake in the road?
A. Professional courtesy.

These are the Attorney General State of Mississippi divisions that would become involved with appeals following a murder conviction:
http://www.ago.state.ms.us/divisions/criminal-litigation/

:moo::moo::moo::moo:
cow chorus

 

[MizStery]

PAST
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I found a couple of previous "solved" arsons in the area:
<snip>
Didn't find any "unsolved" arsons, however, except the obvious one. That's not surprising to me, as close as LE seems to be holding their cards these days. They're what my own mother-in-law used to say about what the ideal mother-in-law should be like: A potato (all eyes and no tongue).

<snip>
PRESENT
=======
Here are crime statistics that suggest Panola County, MS is -above- the national average for violent crimes (June, 2014):
http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/mississippi/panola


:moo::moo::moo::moo:
cow chorus

Thanks rbarber17:
I do not want to put the burden of proof on you,but if anyone finds 'a ruling by the Fire Marshal of Mississippi on my post #401;I would appreciate it." It would be interesting to read the official report.I would like an official investigative report 'not hearsay or it's under investigation'. It took place in May 2014;I would hope it hasn't been 'shelved'.:sigh:

Another classic quote from Sheriff Darby
June 10,2015
Family shot at in Panola County
Panola County Sheriff's Office is looking for two men wanted for shooting into a pickup truck, leaving a family, including a 2-year-old, covered in blood from broken glass.
Panola County sheriff's deputies know who they are looking for and are working with their counterparts in Lafayette County to track them down.
<snip>
&#8220;I think it's sad, it's really sad. The sad thing is, I mean, they can't even go home because they're scared of what might happen,&#8221; said neighbor Johnnie Kelly.
Neighbors say one of the two men wanted for the shooting has since shown up nearby at the Cove Point Grocery and is a known meth user.
&#8220;He denies doing it of course, &#8216;Why would I do something like that,' but every time you see him he's in a different car, so he's hiding out," said neighbor Robert Kersh.
Panola County Sheriff Dennis Darby says the shooting is still under investigation. They are not releasing photos or names of the wanted men because the deputies know who they are, and the way news travels in that area, so does everyone else.
http://www.wdam.com/story/29291989/family-shot-at-while-in-pickup-truck-in-panola-county

On another topic:
There is a crime 'where another man was shot years ago' and his body burned in Panola County. (It is not the crime you mention in your post,which happened in 2013 in Quitman County) The crime I read about seemed to have a familiarity to it like a lot of these other local crimes.I have looked in my database but can't find it.
If you run across it give me a holler. Sorry I am trying to remember more,it's driving me nuts.:cuckoo:
Note to DeDee:
Thanks, for reading my post on GPS. I value your opinion & like your ideas. :tyou:

:cow:

 

[cubbeegirl]

I have a simple theory.

This is JMO and a theory, nothing more:

JC had been dating guys that were known gang affiliates(possibly to two separate gangs). JC had taken steps to change her life(whatever that may have been). USMS was present in the area, for some unknown reason, prior to JC's death. IMO, an obvious investigation of some sorts was in the works prior to December 6, 2014. JMO, it probably isn't as simple as just "unsubscribing" to gang membership/affiliation. There is no way to know what information that JC knew about the inner workings of any of the gangs. IF the USMS had been putting pressure on high ranking gang members, someone, from the community, had to be giving the USMS information on the identities of the members. Anytime someone pours gasoline/accelerant down someone's mouth to kill them, there is a message sent, JMO.

If this was the case, I have often thought that whoever may have been "snitching" could have easily started a rumor that JC was "snitching" to divert attention away from themselves.....so that they weren't burnt alive... If JC was an informant, I doubt any of the public will ever know.

This is just my theory of what could have happened, and why it has been so hard to solve. For all we know, the feds may know who really killed JC. Proving it may be the hold-up because I doubt many would come forward and volunteer incriminating information.

ALL JMO :moo:

Agreed Batmans Mommy ...and Jessica's statement to her mother just prior to her murder that " the *****es think I'm snitching " makes it even more likely this is what we are dealing with here ......JMO ....

 

[ontheclock]

Agreed Batmans Mommy ...and Jessica's statement to her mother just prior to her murder that " the *****es think I'm snitching " makes it even more likely this is what we are dealing with here ......JMO ....

Yessiree.

 

[MizStery]

I have a simple theory.

This is JMO and a theory, nothing more:

JC had been dating guys that were known gang affiliates(possibly to two separate gangs). JC had taken steps to change her life(whatever that may have been). USMS was present in the area, for some unknown reason, prior to JC's death. IMO, an obvious investigation of some sorts was in the works prior to December 6, 2014. JMO, it probably isn't as simple as just "unsubscribing" to gang membership/affiliation. There is no way to know what information that JC knew about the inner workings of any of the gangs. IF the USMS had been putting pressure on high ranking gang members, someone, from the community, had to be giving the USMS information on the identities of the members. Anytime someone pours gasoline/accelerant down someone's mouth to kill them, there is a message sent, JMO.

If this was the case, I have often thought that whoever may have been "snitching" could have easily started a rumor that JC was "snitching" to divert attention away from themselves.....so that they weren't burnt alive... If JC was an informant, I doubt any of the public will ever know.

This is just my theory of what could have happened, and why it has been so hard to solve. For all we know, the feds may know who really killed JC. Proving it may be the hold-up because I doubt many would come forward and volunteer incriminating information.

ALL JMO :moo:

I appreciate reading everyone's opinions. It takes courage to come on a topic and put your theory up to possible ridicule. It is not something anyone enjoyed in class. Speaking in front of the class always gave me butterflies in school.

My response is more cautionary to your point. LD,BC all the people quoted in major media know the answer. Which is ;Jessica's emulation on Herron Road was beyond heinous. Now using deductive* reasoning; 'that is' knowing that answer what questions could (BC,LD)answer to lead an investigator to their personal thinking(persuasion)?

My point being I like to read a clue from a couple of sources. I like the sources to be 'somewhat' objective. Objective being 'loosie goosy'depending on 'your' bias.I personally do include Jessica's FB page as more objective than subjective as we're ever going to get in Panola County.

I have only read about the snitching from LD. She makes it clear Jessica was to the point of paranoia. This really captures your attention! Not,that it didn't happen but it's almost told in a hyperbole way.My opinion only!

Whereas the report of Jessica having a confrontation at the M&M in the week pior to Herron Road has been quoted in major media by DA Champion. The difference being the one I read with possible bias; whereas the confrontation at the M&M very likely. But,this is just me. People who might be too close an addenda might use their narrative of events** to be devious;they are more than likely to embellish & use selective memory.In my opinion you almost have to play chess with them to tease out the truth. I believe DAChampion uses duplicity in his TL. Just my opinion!

Thanks for for your post. I love reading everyone's opinions!

foitnote:
*I took logic soooo many years ago I think I am remembering the proofs? I remember a poster 'alexsmom'I think.Anyhow,she came on one of the threads;sadly lamenting after teaching Jr High algebra all day 'her brain' was totally fried.

**narrative of events~not nessarily for themselves but someone close to them i.e. child,sibling

:cow:

 

[LR1]

I'd like to go on record with the limited anonymity that being behind my keyboard affords, and without insinuation or innuendo, clearly state that it's my opinion Jessica's family played no direct role in her fiery death. I don't mind being wrong but I'm just not feeling it.

Also while I'm here, and y'all gone hate me for this one but...

While the plastic flowers might not be the classiest, I think for some to belittle the grieving mother's choice in what to place at the scene shows even less class. :smile: It's not even close.

But that's just me.

 

[rbarber17]

-------------<snip>--------------
On another topic:
There is a crime 'where another man was shot years ago' and his body burned in Panola County. (It is not the crime you mention in your post,which happened in 2013 in Quitman County) The crime I read about seemed to have a familiarity to it like a lot of these other local crimes.I have looked in my database but can't find it.
If you run across it give me a holler. Sorry I am trying to remember more,it's driving me nuts.
-------------<snip>--------------

MizStery, the one driving you nuts is listed below under 2011 in this partial listing of Panola County fatal fires since 2007. I believe it was DeDee who discovered that "Panola" was the Choctaw word for cotton, but around Northern Mississippi I think it means...
:furious:FLAMMABLE:furious:

2007 Panola County Fires
o Panola County’s fire deaths in 2007 currently lead Mississippi’s 82 counties:

“Mississippi also leads the nation in fire-related deaths.”​

http://www.panolian.com/mobile/?MemberID=1180&action=contentitem&itemid=12059

2011 Panola County Fires
o Body burned in Crenshaw, MS and house burned in Como, MS to cover evidence:
http://www.panolian.com/v2/content.aspx?module=ContentItem&ID=208725&MemberID=1180
o Mobile home fire in rural Panola County claims four lives:

“Griffin said the fire appeared to be caused by a space heater or a kerosene heater.”​

http://www.firehouse.com/news/10463888/four-killed-in-mississippi-mobile-home-fire
http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/14015427/4-died-in-north-mississippi-fire
o Condolences over mobile home fire:

“ Mississippi Insurance Commissioner and State Fire Marshal Mike Chaney is expressing his condolences…”​

http://www.mid.ms.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2011/pressrel021111.pdf

2013 Panola County Fires
o Two story house fire claims two lives in Batesville, MS:

"White (PCSD) says “he can’t rule out” electrical problems as a possible cause.”​

http://www.wcbi.com/local-news/panola-co-fire-claims-two-lives

2014 Panola County Fires
o Two men killed in mobile home fire between Courtland and Batesville:

"Jeff got out of the house and also got the other two ladies that were in the house out, and he got the water hose and went back in," explained French. But the flames were too much for Jeff and his friend.​

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/25649401/2-killed-in-panola-county-fire

2015 Panola County Fires
o Child burned to death in a mobile home in Como, MS:

“Investigators say the fire was started by faulty wires.”​

http://wreg.com/2015/04/24/child-killed-in-panola-county-house-fire/
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/28892645/deadly-mobile-home-fire-remains-under-investigation
o School burns in Batesville, MS:

“Superintendent Tim Wilder says the cause of the fire has not been determined.”​

http://wjtv.com/2015/07/11/flames-engulf-panola-county-school/
o Unsolved: A Meek School of Journalism Project
The University of Mississippi in Oxford, MS:

“I wonder if Chambers knew her killer, if the people of Courtland and Batesville will ever feel safe again if no one is caught and convicted.”​

https://unsolvedproject.wordpress.com/tag/mississippi/

 

[Batman's Mommy]

I'd like to go on record with the limited anonymity that being behind my keyboard affords, and without insinuation or innuendo, clearly state that it's my opinion Jessica's family played no direct role in her fiery death. I don't mind being wrong but I'm just not feeling it.

Also while I'm here, and y'all gone hate me for this one but...

While the plastic flowers might not be the classiest, I think for some to belittle the grieving mother's choice in what to place at the scene shows even less class. :smile: It's not even close.

But that's just me.

Ditto, and thanks for going on the record with that LR1. :loveyou:

 

[MizStery]

Here is an example of DA Champion's TL.No one is forthcoming in Panola County in a coherant linear telling of TL. So,it forces us to read and reread events to construct a meaningful TL.


OK ,here is an example. Why does DA Champion practice duplicity i.e. say why the confusion with the LD cell call from 6:48 to 7:13? 1)LD said she made to Jessica? 2)DA Champion initially leaves out her call from the official TL. 3)Then rewinds the TL and blows off LD conversation as brief. 4)Then in another TL twist DA Champion contradicts Lisa /that it was not LD who placed the call to Jessica. 5)(This is mind bending )DA Champion reverses the order & states that it was Jessica who placed the brief call to LD . Why doesn't DA Champion not just give us the TL in a linear logical easy to follow manner.Why the duplicity?Why put LD in such an ackward place by toying with her narrative? It is really quite mind blowing -all I can say is DA Champion please give us a straight forward TL.

Oh and finally,DA Champion you have back tracked on Detective Thompson too! Detective Thompson had previously cleared BC. It was of note BC was excluded from the 3 people you named as cleared in People Mag.I hope DA Champion you have a very good reason for these omissions. Because,if you do not I will call you out as being a despicable & cruel person.

Something odd is also going on with Jessica's cell phone. At least that would be my hunch.But,hey we've know the entire cell phone signal,discussion of SIM card,battery missing from cell phone throw away at CS was a work in progress.OK,here's another wrinkle which cell phone was it found at the CS? Was it Jessica's cell or could it have been a 'plant' to throw off the CS investigation?I could wax on and on as to the official TL but risk being voted off the island.
<snip>
The only anchor for me is Websleuthers Ranch's talisman: "The fire makes TL very tight for alibi."


I am not trying to nitpick BC or LD statements!I am taking DA Champion's TL and statements and what has been published in mainstream media and attempted to cobble togeather a coherent narrative. That is all.If LD or BC narrative does not track with DA Champion then it warrants being discussed and any differences noted.

I am am only interested in constructing DA Champion's TL. We are forced to read and reread to crochet a TL. All our time is spent fact checking the latest spin from mainstream media. This only my opinion.

Thanks to to everyone for their opinions. I truly do enjoy reading every single post.

Note:In my previous post I used spell check and it subbed 'emulation' for 'immolation' hope the context helped you figure out what I meant.


:moo:

 

[Batman's Mommy]

I was born in Mississippi. Parts of my family settled southern Mississippi. My opinions are based on my knowledge of the people and area, although as close to Batesville/Courtland that you would ever catch me would be doing about 85mph North or South on I55, and that is even a rare occasion.... Seriously, the area is very dangerous due to the gang activity. This can be said of most areas from Memphis, TN to about Grenada, Mississippi. There is a very low tolerance, and more money for LE, in central MS. Gangs are also very prevalent along the river area, like in Vicksburg.

Due to the national coverage of JC's horrific murder, there is an amount of time, IMO, needed, for those unfamiliar with the area and its people, to try and get a grasp of the reality of life in the area. Even then, unless one has witnessed small town Mississippi and the associated politics, a rational person will not want to believe that this is the way of life for these people. It is the only way of life that some of the residents will ever know, and we're talking generation after generation in some families. It is what it is. With that being said, for me, there was no point in posting and debating what I know with what others "think."

I'm just glad to see that there are still many people very passionate about this case and discussing and dissecting it daily. That is what keeps hope alive for the families, and keeps the story in the minds of people. Everyone has very valuable input and great ideas, not to mention some fantastic cyber-sleuthing skills.

We all want justice for JC.

:loveyou:

 

[Batman's Mommy]

Here is an example of DA Champion's TL.No one is forthcoming in Panola County in a coherant linear telling of TL. So,it forces us to read and reread events to construct a meaningful TL.


OK ,here is an example. Why does DA Champion practice duplicity i.e. say why the confusion with the LD cell call from 6:48 to 7:13? 1)LD said she made to Jessica? 2)DA Champion initially leaves out her call from the official TL. 3)Then rewinds the TL and blows off LD conversation as brief. 4)Then in another TL twist DA Champion contradicts Lisa /that it was not LD who placed the call to Jessica. 5)(This is mind bending )DA Champion reverses the order & states that it was Jessica who placed the brief call to LD . Why doesn't DA Champion not just give us the TL in a linear logical easy to follow manner.Why the duplicity?Why put LD in such an ackward place by toying with her narrative? It is really quite mind blowing -all I can say is DA Champion please give us a straight forward TL.

Oh and finally,DA Champion you have back tracked on Detective Thompson too! Detective Thompson had previously cleared BC. It was of note BC was excluded from the 3 people you named as cleared in People Mag.I hope DA Champion you have a very good reason for these omissions. Because,if you do not I will call you out as being a despicable & cruel person.

Something odd is also going on with Jessica's cell phone. At least that would be my hunch.But,hey we've know the entire cell phone signal,discussion of SIM card,battery missing from cell phone throw away at CS was a work in progress.OK,here's another wrinkle which cell phone was it found at the CS? Was it Jessica's cell or could it have been a 'plant' to throw off the CS investigation?I could wax on and on as to the official TL but risk being voted off the island.
<snip>
The only anchor for me is Websleuthers Ranch's talisman: "The fire makes TL very tight for alibi."


I am not trying to nitpick BC or LD statements!I am taking DA Champion's TL and statements and what has been published in mainstream media and attempted to cobble togeather a coherent narrative. That is all.If LD or BC narrative does not track with DA Champion then it warrants being discussed and any differences noted.

I am am only interested in constructing DA Champion's TL. We are forced to read and reread to crochet a TL. All our time is spent fact checking the latest spin from mainstream media. This only my opinion.

Thanks to to everyone for their opinions. I truly do enjoy reading every single post.

Note:In my previous post I used spell check and it subbed 'emulation' for 'immolation' hope the context helped you figure out what I meant.


:moo:

Please do not give yourself a headache trying to decipher this man's incoherent statements. I can't even let myself read them because I mmmmmaaaaayyyyybbbbeeeeee believe 2% of anything that is stated publicly by DA Champion or Darby. **smh** Divert and deflect is the name of their game, IMO. Their constituents, unfortunately, aren't dissecting anything these two are saying.

I love your analysis of his words, though. It is fascinating.

ALL JMO

 

[MizStery]

You make an excellent point. Non of us are basing our opinion on a single reading. Rather as you said;it's only after reading many sources that you came to your conclusion.I bolded 'I liked reading your post'

And I do admire anyone coming on Websleuths and taking part on the thread discussion. I think the most difficult part for me is not seeing the other posters mood. Without body language or expression it's difficult to gauge if a posts tone is friendly or if the person is teed off. So I tread lightly and being a coward retreat in lurk mode if scared.:lurk:

RBBM

Actually, I've read that statement on and from multiple sources which I can't cite from memory, at this point. Although I have just started posting on the WS threads, I have followed this case quite closely, and my opinion is based upon a lot more than msm.

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Glad you liked reading my post.

:tyou:

Thanks rbarber17 your so kind to find those links! I am going to read them all later tonight.

Let me know if there is any help you need!

MizStery, the one driving you nuts is listed below under 2011 in this partial listing of Panola County fatal fires since 2007. I believe it was DeDee who discovered that "Panola" was the Choctaw word for cotton, but around Northern Mississippi I think it means...
:furious:FLAMMABLE:furious:

Well,I am going back to the real world now.

Saying bye to my virtual friends.
May tomorrow bring justice for Jessica or closer to closure.

:cow:

 

[Batman's Mommy]

You make an excellent point. Non of us are basing our opinion on a single reading. Rather as you said;it's only after reading many sources that you came to your conclusion.I bolded 'I liked reading your post'

And I do admire anyone coming on Websleuths and taking part on the thread discussion. I think the most difficult part for me is not seeing the other posters mood. Without body language or expression it's difficult to gauge if a posts tone is friendly or if the person is teed off. So I tread lightly and being a coward retreat in lurk mode if scared.:lurk:




Thanks rbarber17 your so kind to find those links! I am going to read them all later tonight.

Let me know if there is any help you need!





Well,I am going back to the real world now.

Saying bye to my virtual friends.
May tomorrow bring justice for Jessica or closer to closure.

:cow:

Have a great night. Please don't think I'm ever "teed" off. I respect everyone's opinions and investigative techniques. My intent was just to give some perspective from someone familiar with the area, people and politics. It's a horrible situation.

I also work with attorneys (I AM NOT A LAWYER). I'm accustomed to very blunt and direct conversations, and am guilty of the same. Forgive me if I came across harshly. It wasn't my intent.