MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #3

[redfish]

Several days ago I read here (sorry, no link) that the small staff of the volunteer fire department was out on a house fire call when the call about the car fire came in.

 

[Foxfire]

I don't know the area, but it doesn't makes sense to me to do it half a mile from a fire station. Do volunteer depts keep their stations staffed?

They all work differently, but usually just one man reports to the fire station to drive the fire pumper and the other firefighters drive their POVs to the fire scene..

 

[flatfootjoe]

I don't know the area, but it doesn't makes sense to me to do it half a mile from a fire station. Do volunteer depts keep their stations staffed?

You mean men on site? Sometimes, they wouldn't have been on site that evening as they were responding to another fire. The response time was 6 minutes. It was a site of opportunity, either the traffic density or some unknown factor prevented the blaze from being spotted for what I believe to be 15-20 minutes. The car was a total burnout. No combustible materials remained. The spot was chosen for it's lack of visibility.

 

[Victory]

Im at a loss. We are all gathered here to try to determine who killed Jessica, correct? Yet, we cant discuss a single person or their actions that night. Maybe we are only here to get updates from LE that have been posted on MSM? In other words, already been sleuthed? Anyone have any ideas on what we ARE allowed to sleuth?

 

[SStarr33]

You mean men on site? Sometimes, they wouldn't have been on site that evening as they were responding to another fire. The response time was 6 minutes. It was a site of opportunity, either the traffic density or some unknown factor prevented the blaze from being spotted for what I believe to be 15-20 minutes. The car was a total burnout. No combustible materials remained. The spot was chosen for it's lack of visibility.

It seems pretty visible to me--barely off the road. And take that into consideration with the fire station being so close I can't see it being a plan. That being said, the gang-bangers whose FB pages I have been on don't appear to be the sharpest tools in the shed

 

[bettiepageturner]

In Sierra Lamar's case, LE went on record to comment about certain discoveries and the chatter that resulted. Not that I feel entitled to official commentary regarding public record, but it would certainly be.. reassuring? to hear, "We're reading what people are saying, we know how to access it, and we know that they are concerned." Instead it seems like they're trying to discredit users of social media as a whole, as fear and gossip mongerers. Among other sinking feelings that I have regarding pretty much every aspect of this case.

 

[SStarr33]

They all work differently, but usually just one man reports to the fire station to drive the fire pumper and the other firefighters drive their POVs to the fire scene..

But I meant is there a person there at all times like regular fires stations?

 

[roadrunnermt]

Perhaps they are doing testing to see if she could have been pregnant as well; although I have not seen this mentioned anywhere, I can't help but think of the love triangle that Erin Corwin was mixed up in and my opinion is this was purposeful on her, not random, so it keeps leading me back to a possible hidden relationship/love triangle for several reasons. Tox screen would give her system at the time but sounds like they already have official cause of death. I speculate LE already knows who, why, when, and are merely waiting on forensics to tie it all together. I've picked out a few suspicions going down her friends list on FB and what we know of possible names and clues of names. I've got my guy picked out already, waiting to see if I am right or wrong!

Tox screens, for one.

 

[Foxfire]

Im at a loss. We are all gathered here to try to determine who killed Jessica, correct? Yet, we cant discuss a single person or their actions that night. Maybe we are only here to get updates from LE that has been posted on MSM? In other words, already been sleuthed? Anyone have any ideas on what we ARE allowed to sleuth?

Victory, I feel your pain, but the TOS are what separates Websleuths from the many other SM sites, imo..

Websleuths (WS) Etiquette & Information
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information

 

[IBsleuthin]

You mean men on site? Sometimes, they wouldn't have been on site that evening as they were responding to another fire. The response time was 6 minutes. It was a site of opportunity, either the traffic density or some unknown factor prevented the blaze from being spotted for what I believe to be 15-20 minutes. The car was a total burnout. No combustible materials remained. The spot was chosen for it's lack of visibility.

Just think about 6 minutes. That's an eternity when you're on fire. May her memory be blessed.

 

[Nana46]

They are called "cutouts". No one uses them anymore. That is really old school.

What a memory!! We used to have those and would go out on country roads just to hear them,lol.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This won't be a popular angle, but no one has mentioned suicide. I wouldn't have considered death by fire a viable option until I learned of a woman I knew who did it.

After looking at what is known and the hint of deeper issues unknown, I think it is something to be considered. Jessica could have done this alone and it would explain a lot. The car was parked with the brake on and not wrecked. Her phone tossed. Even the extra gas could have been planned so the car would burn/explode. The knock on the head could have come from the initial explosion. I think it is possible she put this in motion.

 

[Victory]

Victory, I feel your pain, but the TOS are what separates Websleuths from the many other SM sites, imo..

Websleuths (WS) Etiquette & Information
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information

Thank you. I already knew that and agree for the most part. The question I asked is what do we sleuth?

 

[IBsleuthin]

I don't know the area, but it doesn't makes sense to me to do it half a mile from a fire station. Do volunteer depts keep their stations staffed?

I understand what you are saying. Try going on Google earth and stay up in the bird's eye view for awhile and just look at the layout there. Look at the spot where her car was at and it's distance from the town itself.

Now, close your eyes and imagine the scene. Mentally if you don't have this planned out real well, or if this is your first time doing something like this and you don't want to get caught, your adrenaline is pumping and it seems like you are far enough out to do the deed and yet close enough in to get back to where you need to be and resume your activities without drawing attention to the fact that you were gone.

"Who me? I've been here this whole time."

 

[Foxfire]

But I meant is there a person there at all times like regular fires stations?

Most VFDs do not have a person at the Fire Station at all times. Most Volunteer Firefighters have full time jobs. But they are all different. As tax revenue increase and budgets allow, many times a couple of full time firefighters may be hired to man the stations.
One case that we worked in a rural Iowa town, the Fire Chief was also the Police Chief. He was washing the Fire Engine when the call came in that two teens had been abducted..

Police: Body believed to be missing Iowa girl, 15 - USA Today
www.usatoday.com/story/news/...iowa...shepard/2403039/
USA Today
Jun 8, 2013 - Kathlynn Shepard had been missing for more than two weeks. ... It kind of came as a shock to me," said Dayton Police Chief Nick Dunbar
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Websleuths - Found Deceased IA - Endangered Missing: Kathlynn Shepard (15) - Dayton - 20-May-2013
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sing-Kathlynn-Shepard-(15)-Dayton-20-May-2013

 

[flatfootjoe]

It seems pretty visible to me--barely off the road. And take that into consideration with the fire station being so close I can't see it being a plan.

It's covered vertically by a thick copse of trees, which prevents a fire from generating a sky signature. It has fairly dense woodland between it and any residence where it could be seen not to mention a winding road to obscure that further.

I'm not trying to be insulting but have you actually looked at the maps which show the location?

If I were going to murder someone by any method, in that area, assuming the traffic density is what I anticipate, it's a beautiful location. My wife and I many many years ago chose a spot just like that to "park" in. It was safe, infrequently traveled and quiet.

Besides, if I wanted to make sure the job was complete, I could jump those gates, go a hundred yards up and watch the action afterward, with no worry of discovery.

 

[IBsleuthin]

So many, many of these crimes are so very poorly planned that I'm sure it was a superficial acknowledgement that, well, no one is at the fire station so that probably didn't even enter into their minds. Again, JMHO.

But I like logic in everything I do and usually it's the logical obvious, (Occam's Razor) that ends up bearing the truth.

 

[Nana46]

I don't know the area, but it doesn't makes sense to me to do it half a mile from a fire station. Do volunteer depts keep their stations staffed?

Our fire station is all volunteer and has been for years. My hubby used to be on it in his younger days....they all respond (all that are available that is) and usually one or two stay at the station while the others take the call....they are incredibly devoted (at least here they are) and don't waste any time doing their job.IMO.

ETA: And if they need more help they will call again and again and even call nearby fire depts. (in the next towns) to help.)

 

[flatfootjoe]

This won't be a popular angle, but no one has mentioned suicide. I wouldn't have considered death by fire a viable option until I learned of a woman I knew who did it.

After looking at what is known and the hint of deeper issues unknown, I think it is something to be considered. Jessica could have done this alone and it would explain a lot. The car was parked with the brake on and not wrecked. Her phone tossed. Even the extra gas could have been planned so the car would burn/explode. The knock on the head could have come from the initial explosion. I think it is possible she put this in motion.

The FBI don't investigate suicides.

 

[IBsleuthin]

It's covered vertically by a thick copse of trees, which prevents a fire from generating a sky signature. It has fairly dense woodland between it and any residence where it could be seen not to mention a winding road to obscure that further.

I'm not trying to be insulting but have you actually looked at the maps which show the location?

If I were going to murder someone by any method, in that area, assuming the traffic density is what I anticipate, it's a beautiful location. My wife and I many many years ago chose a spot just like that to "park" in. It was safe, infrequently traveled and quiet.

Besides, if I wanted to make sure the job was complete, I could jump those gates, go a hundred yards up and watch the action afterward, with no worry of discovery.

(BBM) Interestingly enough, that was the first thing I thought of when I went to the 'street view'. I also posted nearly the same thing, back a few pages. This is why I was wondering if the person who called it in was identified. I don't think it's a far stretch of the imagination at all to consider this person was standing in the woods as this all unfolded.

Do you recall several years ago an arsonist had recorded himself talking into the microphone as he video taped several houses that he had burned? Somehow he had dropped the camera or left it behind and police found the video.

Many things to consider here but I do believe that the location of the burn holds a big piece of the puzzle when it comes to opening the gate on the mind to whoever did this.