MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #5

[MSCJgrad]

Thank you, PTF. I wasn't sure if I could refer to the evidence that was photographed as being left behind, as I don't have time to find MSM links to them at the moment. Could have been posted here already. But yes, the photos of the bottles (because really, really no need to look for DNA on a BOTTLE---seriously??) as well as the windshield wiper was beyond disturbing. It's as if they packed up and left asap, IMO.

Let me count the ways...

1. It only took an hour or so to process the crime scene? Vehicle was towed away immediately after it "cooled down". Really?
2. Possible evidence was not collected/photographed from the crime scene and most likely was destroyed (empty bottles, foot prints, tire tracks, cigarette butts, burn patterns, windshield wiper, etc.).
3. Mr. Tow Truck Driver stopped for smokes with with a key piece of evidence and let AA take pictures. Wow!
4. Video surveillance from the gas station was collected 4 days after the fact. Local media had access before LE.

IMO & IIRC, that within the first 48 hours there was a bunch of "floundering" going on with the local LE. There were no reports that an area-wide search was performed for a possible suspect.

 

[ZOOL]

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[MSCJgrad]

Good word, "floundering".
IMO, either local LE was/is really incompetent or really smart. On one hand, maybe they legitimately did mismanage this entire investigation due to inexperience or lack of training. On the other hand, perhaps they did so on purpose, in efforts to taint the investigation from the get-go.

Let me count the ways...

1. It only took an hour or so to process the crime scene? Vehicle was towed away immediately after it "cooled down". Really?
2. Possible evidence was not collected/photographed from the crime scene and most likely was destroyed (empty bottles, foot prints, tire tracks, cigarette butts, burn patterns, windshield wiper, etc.).
3. Mr. Tow Truck Driver stopped for smokes with with a key piece of evidence and let AA take pictures. Wow!
4. Video surveillance from the gas station was collected 4 days after the fact. Local media had access before LE.

IMO & IIRC, that within the first 48 hours there was a bunch of "floundering" going on with the local LE. There were no reports that an area-wide search was performed for a possible suspect.

 

[CHERIE.T]

A friend in LE tells me it's standard practice to tow a car to an enclosed private area for processing.

I only worry that some evidence could have been left behind....mainly because it was already after sunset when the car was removed. imoo

 

[octobermoon]

Known names based on MSM reports:

Mom of Chambers
Dad of Chambers
Derek Turner
Ali Alsania
Bryan Rudd
Eric Bibbs
Charlotte Wilkerson
George Mister
Rachael Tutor
Lynnsey Fowler
Amber Sheilds
Ray McClenic

Are there any names from MSN that I'm missing? (modsnip)

Can't sleuth any of those. We can discuss what they have said in MSM articles.

 

[ZOOL]

Thank you, PTF. I wasn't sure if I could refer to the evidence that was photographed as being left behind, as I don't have time to find MSM links to them at the moment. Could have been posted here already. But yes, the photos of the bottles (because really, really no need to look for DNA on a BOTTLE---seriously??) as well as the windshield wiper was beyond disturbing. It's as if they packed up and left asap, IMO.

Those two photographs have been circulated only throughout social media and are not considered acceptable material to be posted upon the WS forum. The reason being: They may not be anything more than photo shopped, scurrilous photos from god-knows-where (ie. a crime scene in West Virginia?)

 

[MSCJgrad]

Indeed it is. It is standard protocol to tow a car from a crime scene AFTER the entire scene has been processed. At which point, the car is to be towed under direct LE supervision to an enclosed area where such evidence is held. At no point is a car, or any other piece of evidence, to be left unsupervised. Doing so puts an entire investigation in jeopardy.

A friend in LE tells me it's standard practice to tow a car to an enclosed private area for processing.

 

[MSCJgrad]

Thank you!

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[PeterThomasFan]

Good word, "floundering".
IMO, either local LE was/is really incompetent or really smart. On one hand, maybe they legitimately did mismanage this entire investigation due to inexperience or lack of training. On the other hand, perhaps they did so on purpose, in efforts to taint the investigation from the get-go.

I guess I could have used "crappie" as well. I'll save that one for another pun.

 

[MSCJgrad]

Makes sense to me. Can I delete what I had posted in my reply?

Those two photographs have been circulated only throughout social media and are not considered acceptable material to be posted upon the WS forum. The reason being: They may not be anything more than photo shopped, scurrilous photos from god-knows-where (ie. a crime scene in West Virginia?)

 

[ZOOL]

Makes sense to me. Can I delete what I had posted in my reply?

Yes you can delete material by using the Edit feature. However nothing that you have said has been unacceptable via TOS so deleting anything from the past so far is merely time-consuming.

If something is grossly annoying to WS, the moderator will cease upon it and snip it in a blink of an eyelash *grin*

 

[ZOOL]

Further, I would like to know if LE has looked into and/or taken possession of the clothing seen worn by the people on the surveillance video, especially 'gas can man', and the person driving the car he was riding in (his 'wife', I believe, but don't have time to find a link).

I believe that LE needs to obtain a court order before it can begin collecting property from people. I doubt that a judge will authorize a seizure of clothing from the gas station customers based upon their presence at the gas station (ie. there is not sufficient evidence to begin a witch hunt.)

 

[FindHG]

Known names based on MSM reports:

Mom of Chambers
Dad of Chambers
Derek Turner
Ali Alsania
Bryan Rudd
Eric Bibbs
Charlotte Wilkerson
George Mister
Rachael Tutor
Lynnsey Fowler
Amber Sheilds
Ray McClenic

Are there any names from MSN that I'm missing? (modsnip)

Yes, early on there was the name of the female clerk at the gas station in one of the reports, and of course the white stripe sweater gas jug guy who said

¨I just want to get my name cleared," said Bejaun Byers, who says he was filling up his generator. He still has the container he used that night.

"I didn't notice, notice anything until I came out the store," said Byers. "And got the gas and walked away, and I looked up, I looked up and I seen Jessica."

and the woman he drove away with, who called Jessica over and tried to bum a cigarette, but who said Jessica didn't have her brand,

¨Cassandra Market, who goes by Sandy.¨

 

[leah]

You will find mention of Pooh in HERE.

At this time, I will not reveal his true identity. It is against WS TOS.

(Curiosity wants to know what the CJ stands for?)

I'm so mixed up. There are so many characters, and some I have no idea who they are, or what they have done.

 

[Gerontion]

I would be going over that car with a fine-toothed comb. I would want to see all of its paperwork, numbers, titles, work records, (yes, even CarFax). That car is currently the single most important piece of physical evidence. While we wait for the ME and lab stuff on Jessica. That car can tell a tale. The tale the car tells will be key testimony at a trial. I agree with others that the car is now contaminated/contestable evidence. But it still has a story. Any bullet holes? Were the windows shot out? Was it stripped in situ before being set alit? I don't know, off-hand, if it was a stick or an automatic. I don't know if it was front wheel drive, rear, or 4WD. I don't know how long Jessica had her license, or how much experience driving. I certainly don't like that there are photos of the car sitting on the ground at some spot where the flatbed dropped it off (complete with crowbar laying atop trunk).

Also, sleuthing, minus good old fashioned evidence, plus rumors, equals "what if's". It is the sleuthers way of killing time. For example, what if the 911 caller was actually reporting seeing a car that was actually driving down the road while on fire! And hence, the possible confusion over a person on fire moving down the road? Could explain the 911 caller not stopping to help. Could explain the 911 caller being quite sure it was actually a car that was on fire, even at the distance between car and call.

It seems to me to be a large part of human nature to try to create connections whether we are given two pieces of information, or a hundred. Plus, I am looking for creative writing points with this post.

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe they have the other person on video with her.
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Champion said detectives have other sources of video too..

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...a-chambers-murder-case-may-provide-more-clues

The car wash on Courtland's Main St. possibly has video.

 

[octobermoon]

The car wash on Courtland's Main St. possibly has video.

I only found two ATM's in town. I hope those were checked too.

 

[ZOOL]

I would be going over that car with a fine-toothed comb. I would want to see all of its paperwork, numbers, titles, work records, (yes, even CarFax). That car is currently the single most important piece of physical evidence. While we wait for the ME and lab stuff on Jessica. That car can tell a tale. The tale the car tells will be key testimony at a trial. I agree with others that the car is now contaminated/contestable evidence. But it still has a story. Any bullet holes? Were the windows shot out? Was it stripped in situ before being set alit? I don't know, off-hand, if it was a stick or an automatic. I don't know if it was front wheel drive, rear, or 4WD. I don't know how long Jessica had her license, or how much experience driving. I certainly don't like that there are photos of the car sitting on the ground at some spot where the flatbed dropped it off (complete with crowbar laying atop trunk).

Also, sleuthing, minus good old fashioned evidence, plus rumors, equals "what if's". It is the sleuthers way of killing time. For example, what if the 911 caller was actually reporting seeing a car that was actually driving down the road while on fire! And hence, the possible confusion over a person on fire moving down the road? Could explain the 911 caller not stopping to help. Could explain the 911 caller being quite sure it was actually a car that was on fire, even at the distance between car and call.

It seems to me to be a large part of human nature to try to create connections whether we are given two pieces of information, or a hundred. Plus, I am looking for creative writing points with this post.

WOW! Woowee! What if???

How about: ...From deep space an extraterrestrial laser zapped the moving Kia as it crept through the Herron Road darkness and moved her car into the air before impact at the top of the hill? (sorry for the levity, could not resist my creative writing desires *grin*)

 

[ZOOL]

I only found two ATM's in town. I hope those were checked too.

There is a good chance that the ATM video located at JD's Quick Stop was viewed. Alsanai mentions that LE consulted material from both JD's and another gas station in Batesville in his long interview

 

[1&2&3]

Re: Damage to the vehicle:

DA John Champion: "We absolutely 100% know how the damage got there. It has got absolutely nothing to do with the case...after the car was processed by the lab...there was an attempt to get into the trunk to do the inventory of the trunk. We were unable to do it and the damage to the vehicle occurred while we were trying to get into the trunk."

Between 7:00 - 8:00 in the linked video.

Isn't this statement a fact we already knew? However, not as he stated it. IIRC, we were told the next day the damage to the trunk was done by the fire fighters as they tried to open the trunk. Am I recalling this correctly? Our questions involved damage to Jessica's car on the passenger side rear quarter panel.

Perhaps one of you super sleuthers can access the photo quickly. TIA.