MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #6

[machiado]

I read somewhere that JC's grandmother lives across the street from JC's mom, and was interviewed about having spoken with JC on JC's porch the morning of Dec. 6th (I'll try to find a link). So where does Sha Sha live? This is confusing. MOO

Here is the link to JC's grandma saying she spoke with JC the morning of Dec. 6. http://www.commercialappeal.com/new...bonds-in-popular-teens-burning-death_93345247 "Jessica’s maternal grandmother Dorothy “Dot” Boatright, 82, of Courtland said her last memory of Jessica is at Lisa Chamber’s home on Saturday and the good mood she was in. “I was talking to Jessica on the porch here just that morning. She was happy as a lark.”

YEP. I suggested a while ago that possibly Sha Sha was unknowingly USED to direct JC to a "party" which was really a decoy party to harm her and subsequently end her life. Sha Sha may not have known that it was a decoy, but realized it afterwards and feels guilty. Seems that EVERYONE knows ShaSha and she is who JC visited with often(according to Lisa), since she lives across the street from Lisa and JC. Just some thoughts. JMO

 

[MSCJgrad]

BBM. It's wildly unfortunate that the sheer amount of names and aliases that sound like erik or derrick in that vicinity alone could encompass a month long investigation. No exaggeration, the variants of a bastardized version of the errick which coincide are voluminous.

I'm not certain she attended a party, I'm not certain if she had, that it poses any bearing on the case. I am certain that how she was dressed has no reflection on whether or not she attended a party. We aren't talking about a formal cotillion. Any impromptu gathering could be a "party" It could be important for establishing a timeline, or a motive if you're of the mind that this wasn't planned days in advance. I'd like to know where it was, if it happened, and who was present, but I have 100 other questions I'd like the answers for first.

In reference to the party, I am not sure if she went to one or not, either. I am not certain about anything except, as another member posted previously, JC is dead and I do not know who did it, or why. This link might help those who are curious about the 'party' info: http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...-tries-to-comfort-burning-victim-before-death. The article quotes, "There was a party going on and she was there," said Chambers' acquaintance Charlotte Wilkerson. "When she left the party, that's when it happened to her."
District Attorney John Champion says investigators are looking into what, if anything, the party had to do with Chambers' death. The teenager was discovered next to her car on a rural road in Panola County near Courtland, Mississippi on Saturday night."
Hope that Helps...and btw good point about having 100 questions you'd like answers to first. :discuss:

 

[BirdycatNY]

...Regarding the timeline and evidence, yes, we do have evidence of where she was last seen at the M&M, and where she was found, Heron Rd, but the time frame in between those two is what I am curious about, as it could possibly lead me in the right direction of figuring out the who/what/when's that are bothering me so much about this case.

You make an excellent point and in which is why imo it's perfectly legitimate for any scenario at this point. No one (publicly) knows the timeline between M&M and crime scene so anything is possible. The only thing that I would add is that the crime(s) against JC (assuming homicide) happened within 90 minutes, so that doesn't leave room for much travel for perp(s) because they also committed crime(s)-arson, murder, and possibly rape. If perp(s)/Jessica went straight from M&M to crime scene, is Herron Road that desolate that no one would notice car/activity off road? This makes me think that perp(s)/Jessica possibly were somewhere else after M&M but before Herron, and if sexual assault involved, then the timeline would change. Jmo but perp(s) would need at least 30-45mins to commit sexual assault and arson, murder, even if planned or not. Jmo

 

[machiado]

"Jessica’s maternal grandmother Dorothy “Dot” Boatright, 82, of Courtland said her last memory of Jessica is at Lisa Chamber’s home on Saturday and the good mood she was in. “I was talking to Jessica on the porch here just that morning. She was happy as a lark.”

This also raises questions about the mother's statement that JC slept all day.

 

[imkeylime]

IDK. Can you think of a scenario where there would be proof of what Jessica said? The Fire Chief is there alone with her.

You raise some interesting points.

That's an issue for me in another instance as well. Unless the video at the gas station had amazing audio, how do we know exactly what Jessica told AA? I keep going back to him saying that she said "somewhere" when he asked where she was going. That sounds like a rather evasive answer to me, but is it JC being evasive with AA (not that she owed him a destination, FWIW) or AA being evasive with everyone else? For example, it could suggest she was going somewhere that she didn't want AA to know about ... or that she didn't like him asking in the first place. Or it might be AA covering for something else that she said, i.e., he really does know where she was going but doesn't want trouble.

I know nothing about the type of surveillance video in the station ... would there be any proof of their actual conversation? I realize that AA has technically been cleared as a suspect, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't know something that he's not sharing. This has been bothering me.

 

[KING Charles]

This also raises questions about the mother's statement that JC slept all day.

J.C. Did get up for a while according to her mother...



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/10/woman-set-on-fire/20195725/


The 19-year-old came home Friday night after ending her shift at Goody's Department Store, 5 miles up the road in Batesville where she recently had started working. She woke up Saturday morning for a little while but went back to sleep for most of the day, Lisa Chambers said Wednesday.

 

[octobermoon]

" Haley said “the tone came down” — that is, he received a signal about the burning car while he was on his way back to his station from responding to an earlier house fire."

I have yet to see anything beyond speculation that the chief was called directly. The quote above seems to contradict that theory.

I'm not sure that the source that came from is an MSM approved site, but I do know I've seen it in more than one location.

The first I saw that was a guy in Ireland on twitter. Too many people starting rumors about this case. imo

 

[machiado]

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/initMap.do

In case anyone wants to search for names of certain people who have been held recently.

 

[MizStery]

Peoples lives today (of Jessica's generation)due to surveillance camers,drones,tweeting ,cell phones & Facebook almost verge on 'Orwellian' monitoring(or lack of a better word take the work out of "stalking")of one's movements in real time. Frustration with 'how could that be' i.e. when linking to the thread timeline it almost seems like the events collide. :moo:

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Having gone back and read from page 1 of this thread, looking for "something" that didn't fit, one thing jumped out.

Fire Chief Cole Haley is the one who received the call on his personal cell reporting the car fire. Therefore, no recording. We do not actually know what was said. This raises big questions for me??

Second, the fire chief sees Jessica first and reports she said names to him, however, he only reports name sounds like Eric.

So here we have one person with the only two pieces of critical information available on this case, and there is no proof to back him up!

Something seems wrong in this case! I did not like Chief Haley's interview and mannerism. Then latter he tells us the caller had been cleared that made the call about the fire. My hunky meter is not settling down over this scenario. Something does not fit! Any ideas to go with my ideas?

BBM

Do we know if the Fire Department even uses radios?

The 911 dispatcher could have called Haley directly on his mobile phone after the fire call came in (if they do not use radios for communicating).

From MSM, they are reporting that a passing motorist called 911. That conversation should have been recorded. But, the call to Haley's mobile phone most likely not IMO.

 

[Foxfire]

Originally Posted by 1&2&3 View Post
Having gone back and read from page 1 of this thread, looking for "something" that didn't fit, one thing jumped out.

Fire Chief Cole Haley is the one who received the call on his personal cell reporting the car fire. Therefore, no recording. We do not actually know what was said. This raises big questions for me??

Second, the fire chief sees Jessica first and reports she said names to him, however, he only reports name sounds like Eric.

So here we have one person with the only two pieces of critical information available on this case, and there is no proof to back him up!

Something seems wrong in this case! I did not like Chief Haley's interview and mannerism. Then latter he tells us the caller had been cleared that made the call about the fire. My hunky meter is not settling down over this scenario. Something does not fit! Any ideas to go with my ideas?

BBM

Do we know if the Fire Department even uses radios?

The 911 dispatcher could have called Haley directly on his mobile phone after the fire call came in (if they do not use radios for communicating).

From MSM, they are reporting that a passing motorist called 911. That conversation should have been recorded. But, the call to Haley's mobile phone most likely not IMO.

PeterThomasFan, if you watch the interview of Fire Chief Haley, you will see the microphone for his handie talkie/fd radio clipped to his jacket. The caller would have likely used 911 to report the fire, who would have then dispatched responding fire & LE units/personnel. The FD works in conjunction with LE and other emergency agencies, utilities, etc. There are many frequencies required in emergency operation incidents for effective comunications..

Jessica Lane Chambers Fire Chief Cole Haley of Courtland, Miss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrr1mKLxno

 

[OneLove]

That's an issue for me in another instance as well. Unless the video at the gas station had amazing audio, how do we know exactly what Jessica told AA? I keep going back to him saying that she said "somewhere" when he asked where she was going. That sounds like a rather evasive answer to me, but is it JC being evasive with AA (not that she owed him a destination, FWIW) or AA being evasive with everyone else? For example, it could suggest she was going somewhere that she didn't want AA to know about ... or that she didn't like him asking in the first place. Or it might be AA covering for something else that she said, i.e., he really does know where she was going but doesn't want trouble.

I know nothing about the type of surveillance video in the station ... would there be any proof of their actual conversation? I realize that AA has technically been cleared as a suspect, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't know something that he's not sharing. This has been bothering me.

About JC's answer to AA being 'possibly' evasive.......this is pure speculation as that's what we do here, so please don't take it as rumor mongering, victim-blaming, personally offensive, or anything other than what it is: a hypothesis:

......from early in this case when gangs were first mentioned, I have wondered if JC's 'possibly' evasive answer of "going somewhere" was concern that she might be meeting up with a person or person's of the gang NOT commonly affiliated with people she knew were present at that time at the M&M. Maybe she was trying to be careful not to tip off the wrong people.

Okay, it's JUST a thought. Please don't shoot me.

 

[OneLove]

On the call first reporting the car fire: IF it was from a volunteer firefighter who had JUST left the previous fire, it could make sense to call Cole Haley directly, knowing he was still at such a close distance. This would cut down on the time it would take going through a "middle man", in this case 911. Then 911 could be called after that, or Cole could have called 911 himself on the way to the 2nd fire. Or he might have notified other firefighters he already knew were still very nearby. All of this makes sense to me with nothing nefarious about any of it; just good volunteer firefighters doing what they do best.

 

[MotherOcean]

I wonder if the family has considered hiring a PI. I guess if no one is talking it would be futile but just wondering.

 

[IBsleuthin]

It is possible, in the immense state of shock she would have been in, that she was repeating her own name. "Jessica"

We may never know.

 

[ZOOL]

Alright, so I have been thinking about the culture of the area (e.g., big-time football, SEC, cheerleading) and the day of the attack, December 6. A reasonable person would ask, "What happened December 6th in terms of college football?" December 6th was the championship weekend (including the SEC, Alabama v. Missouri at the Georgia Dome at 4:00 EST).

A reasonable person would assume that people like to drink while watching college football (and perhaps engage in other substance-taking activities). I am guessing by 7:30 p.m., a good Pareto optimal sample size of the area is blitzed.

I was also thinking about where one would hang out. I think Backwoods Bar and Grill in Sardis works. $14 in gas would get me to Backwoods and back with room to spare. JMO

Your thinking is very interesting here.

However none of the games played after 6:30 pm CT that evening seem relevant to Jessica Chambers' "after-high-school-lifestyle" unless she was either a dedicated football fan of the NCAAF, or had a friend who was.

I doubt that we have seen any evidence to support either case.

These are the games which were played that evening after 6:30 pm CT

 

[machiado]

Tom Dees has a new post - about 11:20 AM eastern time today

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tom-Dees-FOX13-Memphis/175571152541819?fref=nf

 

[IBsleuthin]

The one thing I have noticed and have grown tired of in following these cases is the constant changing flow of information.

Statements released as fact are discounted, denied, changed.

Press releases change the wording in something and then that word change becomes critical in trying to understand what has happened. The game seems to have changed since I first became interested in following these things.

Police won't divulge, everyone becomes tight lipped and we are just left to guess and guess and guess on ending for months and even years.

 

[Concerned Mama]

Such a shame all the rumors that have been added to this case. No links, just open suggestions to B.S. jmo

:yeahthat: :cheers:

 

[CHERIE.T]

I see nothing posted at 11:20am by Dees/