MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

[cady]

I agree. A 19 year old being told to stay home by her parents does not seem weird whatsoever to me.

Maybe she didn't have access to a car before she went to Leah's and Lisa wouldn't let her drive her car. Since she returned from Leah's, Lisa says that she was a changed person...polite, sweet etc. She also had the Kia for her own transportation. I get the feeling that Lisa was not telling her where to go and what or what not to do, but was just concerned for her and wanted to have an idea of her plans. Lisa said last night that she gave JC money to buy cigs for LISA. I am sure that Lisa would prefer that JC not smoke, but I doubt that smoking was a big issue to either one of them. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I apologize as this may be a stupid question. Lol! I am revisiting the crime scene and thinking about the photos that were posted that show the embankment where Jessica's car was found. I know that the tracks on the embankment would be those of Jessica's car and the tow truck. However, I'm thinking pre tow truck and car removal. If one killer accompanied Jessica in the car, I guess it's possible that another killer was also present in a get away vehicle, so to speak. I'm speaking from ignorance here so please forgive me, but I'm wondering if a getaway vehicle would have pulled up behind Jessica's car on the embankment (seems crazy I know) or would he/she/they have parked on the road itself. I am wondering if the forensic folks noticed any other car tracks in addition to Jessica's. Also could there have been any foot prints in the tracks or surrounding dirt? I know that samples can be taken from both tracks and shoe/boot prints. I know that evidence of this nature wouldn't necessarily point to a killer right now but it could be very useful in a trial. I'm pretty sure that car track analysis led to the arrest of Russell Williams (horrible case in Ontario). I also know that LE knew the type of work boots worn by poor SV's killer (even though, sadly, that case is unsolved). Just MOO and just a thought.

IDK what to think about this anymore, but what I do think is that there was no fire hydrant available for use and that if anything they brought in a tanker to put out the fire. Or they didn't bring in a tanker and just let it burn, cause that's the way it looks to me. I also think that the damage to the trunk was done by LE making sure the trunk was empty. I do not think that the accident scene was secured as in not trampled on and polluted by others that night. I am not sure about anything else as far as a a party and whether or not she was there and if she left alone or others followed her. IDK I would just like to know what it is they (LE/MBI/FBI)have that they are calling this a homicide/murder. jmo idk

 

[dairydog]

IDK what to think about this anymore, but what I do think is that there was no fire hydrant available for use and that if anything they brought in a tanker to put out the fire. Or they didn't bring in a tanker and just let it burn, cause that's the way it looks to me. I also think that the damage to the trunk was done by LE making sure the trunk was empty. I do not think that the accident scene was secured as in not trampled on and polluted by others that night. I am not sure about anything else as far as a a party and whether or not she was there and if she left alone or others followed her. IDK I would just like to know what it is they (LE/MBI/FBI)have that they are calling this a homicide/murder. jmo idk

Yes, you're right in it is difficult to know what evidence they have in their possession. We also, as far as I know, have no idea as to the evidence that they removed from the scene aside from the vehicle. But I strongly believe that they do have enough clues and evidence in order to determine that this was a homicide. MOO. It sure is a mystery.

 

[cady]

JMO If there was no container found for the gas and or accelerant, someone took it with them. Also, if JC emerged from
the passenger side of the vehicle, it's likely that at some point someone else was behind the wheel. We don't know. JMO Lisa seemed to think that she was IN the car when it was set on fire, so maybe LE told her that.????

 

[New1]

I think if Jessica had been my daughter, I would not have been able to do any interviews whether I was sedated or not. People do it all the time, though, but I just don't see how they are able to get through it.

 

[New1]

I imagine if it existed, it would have been the first thing removed from the house by LE, along with computer/tablet.

Some people have speculated the rough draft of that book was in Jessica's car and that is why she was murdered and the car was burned. Personally, I do not believe that.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Just like Lisa's statement from this article that Jessica HAD to stay home. Wonder what she meant by that? WHY would a 19 year old girl have to stay home?

I think she was not referring to her life after Leah's House. The anger issues were what got her sent to Leah's House in the first place. Maybe after her first assault charge Mom laid down the rules about "if you want to live in my house there's a curfew" or whatever stipulations. She wouldn't have been 19 at that time, maybe 18, maybe 17. Technically, since 18 is an adult, she could have left the house any time she wanted to, but then she might not have a place to live when she came home. Not sure if I'm explaining well :/

Weeeel, that'll teach me to be late to the party, lol! I didn't stop to read anything other than I saw Honeydew's question and wanted to answer.
Great mints think alike. And so do great minds

 

[FelicityLemon]

We are all perfectly capable of doing our own sleuthing, some of which cannot be linked. It just seems to me that some rely totally on other peoples research and then dispute it. Also, if a person is only reading MSM and particularly, the Panolian, they are not getting the bigger picture. The sheriffs relative writes for the Panolian. Brainstorming is not accusing; it is just an attempt to bring possibilities to light. JMO

You put this a lot more maturely than I'm going to:

I always thought that in the internet community it was considered trolling to consistently belittle other people's thoughts, feelings and posts? If it helps you, I hear Hal's voice from the movie 2001.

Thank you for the info about the Panolian - veddy interesting. I subscribed the day before yesterday and it's interesting to see so many intertwined relationships, repeated arrests for some people who have relatives who are lauded for doing good things for the community, on the honor roll, achieving scholastic awards. It's got to be tough for the law-abiding citizens. :/

 

[KING Charles]

I have always thought someone drove her to that place and Jessica was in the front passenger seat.

This is such a terrible case and is on my mind a lot of the time. Someone over the road from me as a pickup with the noisy exhaust (many people do here, the really fancy ones with all the chrome and mega huge wheels). Whenever he goes out or arrives home I know it's him, there is no way he could go out without the whole neighbourhood knowing about it. Because a vehicle with loud pipes was mentioned way back when this incident happened, every time I hear him I think of Jessica.

 

[absentia]

I find it odd that Auntie is staying away from Lisa. then again, I find Auntie odd period. I just don't understand not reaching out to the mother of my murdered friend who happens to live across the street.

Charlotte's expression in her mug shot of 12/8 is very telling. she looks extremely distressed. could be from grief, could be from fear. I get the sense it was total fear.

 

[absentia]

In this case, weird is when three people who were interviewed, CW, GM and Tutor all say "We don't know what happened." Not only that, but GM and Tutor said it in unison.

did they?

 

[tlcya]

Just like Lisa's statement from this article that Jessica HAD to stay home. Wonder what she meant by that? WHY would a 19 year old girl have to stay home?

I suspect that a lot of Jessica's anger issues stemmed from expectations at home. Even though she is 19 years old, she is living in her mother's home. When my adult children live in my home, particularly if they are not self sufficient or able to contribute significantly to the household finance, I expect them to perform certain tasks, be there at certain times, etc. Maybe things like that were an issue that contributed to her being at Leah house to address anger.

Had to stay home could simply mean was told she could not simply come and go as she pleased but was required to let mom know the when where why of her comings and goings. And if mom expected her to be doing something at home at a time she wanted to go here or there that could be a big bone of contention.

ETA I see felicity was thinking along those same lines above.

 

[absentia]

I find it odd that Auntie is staying away from Lisa. then again, I find Auntie odd period. I just don't understand not reaching out to the mother of my murdered friend who happens to live across the street.

I get the feeling that LC doesn't want to know anything about what happened. It's enough to accept what happened, and she may not fully be there yet even, but to know the details - she could be terrified of them and what they might mean about her - mother's guilt etc. IF LC has spent the past few years and decades "not asking, not telling" about anything that goes on in the family or the town, this may be her MO and her way of coping. I can understand it, but I never condone a mother's apathy or complicity, not that I'm saying LC was complicit. I'm just saying that when mothers are too afraid of what's going on to be able to admit it or see it and do anything about protecting their child, unless they were also victimized, it is the equivalent of abuse/neglect to a child. not saying there was abuse or neglect, but just my thoughts about mothers and how their apathy is equivalent to complicity in abuse.
my point is, LC may not want to know what happened or who was involved for many reasons. the main one being it makes it all too real. or if, as

I get the feeling in the cas, that knowing certain things would put one in danger from various people in the community. It's almost like flying the flag of ignorance is like a surrender flag - I don't know anything and won't be getting anyone in trouble so don't come after me.
The reporters say people in that town are scared to death to talk, and I think LC may be as well. If this was in any way possibly a warning or punishment/retaliation for something, LC may feel a threat to her safety if she knows anything.

 

[New1]

JMO If there was no container found for the gas and or accelerant, someone took it with them. Also, if JC emerged from
the passenger side of the vehicle, it's likely that at some point someone else was behind the wheel. We don't know. JMO Lisa seemed to think that she was IN the car when it was set on fire, so maybe LE told her that.????

Or, if the container was plastic, it probably was tossed into the burning car and went up in smoke.

 

[katydid23]

I suspect that a lot of Jessica's anger issues stemmed from expectations at home. Even though she is 19 years old, she is living in her mother's home. When my adult children live in my home, particularly if they are not self sufficient or able to contribute significantly to the household finance, I expect them to perform certain tasks, be there at certain times, etc. Maybe things like that were an issue that contributed to her being at Leah house to address anger.

Had to stay home could simply mean was told she could not simply come and go as she pleased but was required to let mom know the when where why of her comings and goings. And if mom expected her to be doing something at home at a time she wanted to go here or there that could be a big bone of contention.

ETA I see felicity was thinking along those same lines above.

And this sheds a bit more light on the mothers discussion about wanting JC to clean her room that day, and JC replying that she was going out to clean her car. Convinces me that was total BS that she told her Mom so she could leave the house. Also sheds a bit of light on that 20 minute phone convo between mother and daughter. It's possible they were arguing about JC being out and about when she was supposed to be home finishing chores ?

 

[absentia]

Or, if the container was plastic, it probably was tossed into the burning car and went up in smoke.

wouldn't it melt onto the seat or floor and they'd find residue of it?

 

[absentia]

And this sheds a bit more light on the mothers discussion about wanting JC to clean her room that day, and JC replying that she was going out to clean her car. Convinces me that was total BS that she told her Mom so she could leave the house. Also sheds a bit of light on that 20 minute phone convo between mother and daughter. It's possible they were arguing about JC being out and about when she was supposed to be home finishing chores ?

I know my anger issues stemmed from being controlled by people I had no respect for and could not trust. At a certain age I decided they did not have the right to control me or my life and I rebelled intensely bc they were hypocrites, abusive and power trippers and not looking out for my well being. I knew if I stayed they'd control me into non-existence. I had to get out to survive. I was out of the house by 16 and moved 3000 miles away at 19. they also tried to commit me when I was 15 or 16. the psychologists laughed them out of the office.

 

[Yvettea]

did they?

Yes I believe they did but I haven't found the video to confirm. It was the interview they did right after they were released by the police.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I think putting out the car fire would have destroyed a lot of evidence, at least the more easily disturbed kind. (not saying this well)

So true and can't be helped in emergency situation. And in that case it would be crucial to secure the scene through the night and continue with investigation and more pictures at daylight. These are all things that the FBI did even though it was days after the event. There wasn't anything they could do about what could have been removed by someone or destroyed by sightseers or souvenir pickers. Yes, it's morbid but someone may have needed or wanted a trophy as proof.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I know my anger issues stemmed from being controlled by people I had no respect for and could not trust. At a certain age I decided they did not have the right to control me or my life and I rebelled intensely bc they were hypocrites, abusive and power trippers and not looking out for my well being. I knew if I stayed they'd control me into non-existence. I had to get out to survive. I was out of the house by 16 and moved 3000 miles away at 19. they also tried to commit me when I was 15 or 16. the psychologists laughed them out of the office.

I'm laughing too, but WITH you