MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

[MSCJgrad]

We need to set up a paypal account for our mod to come up with the $45.00 to get a 6 month subscription to use in this thread lol (kinda joking, kinda not). It looks like there may be 2 articles today pertaining to JC?

The latest issue of the Panolian has an article about the Jessica Chambers case. I don't currently have a subscription and could only view the tiny print preview version - I could make out that the county coroner has completed a "provisional" autopsy.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

The latest issue of the Panolian has an article about the Jessica Chambers case. I don't currently have a subscription and could only view the tiny print preview version - I could make out that the county coroner has completed a "provisional" autopsy.

Investigators work 'every day' for answer to murder (*subscribtion based)
By Rupert Howell
The Panolian 1/20/15

Panola County Coroner Gracie Grant-Gullege confirmed last week that "provisional" autopsy results for Jessica Chambers have been completed but that information has yet to be made public.

She explained that the provisional autopsy includes basic information needed to determine cause of death but noted more in-depth analysis can be involved.

[…]

The District Attorney assured last week that investigators from all participating agencies continue "every day" on the case.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

We need to set up a paypal account for our mod to come up with the $45.00 to get a 6 month subscription to use in this thread lol (kinda joking, kinda not). It looks like there may be 2 articles today pertaining to JC?

Or be a good sleuth. :dance:

 

[suspicious1]

Why is it that we're allowed to discuss some players involved in this case but not others?

We've discussed players, at length, that were questioned by LE or spoke to LE. Which players are off limits? Jus asking

 

[OneLove]

OneLove, your post got me to thinking that if the 1st crime scene was somewhere else,like in Batesville, why wouldn't the perp/s have ditched it (threw it out the window) somewhere between the two locations while they were taking JC and her car to that spot on Herron Road?

I think it possible that CW really was telling the truth about this getting out of hand, going too far. I've tried to walk through this in my mind concerning the phone and concerning a possible Batesville hotel sighting.

The phone left near the scene with its battery separated from but still nearby has ALWAYS struck me as the act of someone enraged in the moment and not the act of someone who planned this vicious act in advance.

I've always envisioned the possibility of an angry, frustrated, and maybe frightened JC walking away from her car and an argument. Maybe this was a tool taught to her at Leah's House to avoid situations that could lead to those doggone 'simple assault' type charges.

Maybe, just maybe, she left Batesville after an angry encounter there and went to see someone with whom she is familiar. Maybe the intent was consolation, but maybe the intent was to "straighten out a misunderstanding" that had led to the confrontation in Batesville. Maybe she parked at a place she regularly parked at to call this person and wait for his/her appearance a short time after. Maybe this person didnt have access to a car and needed to walk to their meeting place. Maybe she had done this numerous times before.

Maybe the wrong people showed up instead, maybe one who felt JC was "a snitch"; maybe those people were already at the location JC called last, maybe very nearby. Maybe one or more of those peeps had a propensity for flashes of uncontrollable intense anger and history of fighting that bordered on pathological borderline personality rage, maybe egged on by an ever-present friend who kept the cauldron boiling hot. Maybe that person also had intense jealousy issues concerning her baby daddy's affections.

If she drove there alone and was met by an angry female or two, maybe she was walking away from her car while her antagonist followed, screaming and trying to get her to fight back. Maybe a second person was dousing her car with gas by this time and JC tried to call 911 or someone else. Maybe her antagonist grabbed her phone, took the battery out, and threw it down, angry in that moment, without thinking of the future ahead. It seems the act of an enraged and possibly drunk (and not very smart) angry female.

Maybe at that point, the fists started flying frfr. With JC fighting back at this point, it's a free for all and whoever else is with crazy-mad-chick gets in on the action. Dragged back the short distance to her already-on-fire car, the mad-chicks do their lighter fluid thing in the crazy heat of the moment, maybe even just as a threat. Threat turns real as JC is caught in flames. One of the females wouldn't have gone this far. One is just too pathologically sick, mentally and substance abuse-wise, to have any control once things have gone this far.

The car itself may have even been part of mad-chicks jealousy if JC was known to give rides to males here and there, maybe sometimes her babydaddy? Or maybe mad-chick or her loyalty-fam was enraged if JC denied them a ride somewhere, or declined to ferry a bag of chips to them, or the 'right' cigs.

I dunno. I just keep having bad dreams of angry women picking a fight with JC and it "going too far". I've seen enough now at other sites to know that some do have uncontrollable anger issues, jealousy issues, and substance abuse issues, along with the hopelessness and despair of southern rural poverty and the repeating cycle of dependency.

I can see the men getting jacked up from their women folk harping on "snitching", and I can see an angry confrontation between them and JC, and I can even see them burning her car (maybe), but the final crime, IMO, smacks of a pathologically jealous woman's touch.

If JC did go see a former bf's mom several days before her death, maybe it was to confide in her about the "snitching" rumors and enlist her help in how to make it go away. If so, that kind and nurturing relationship alone could have set off a pathological jealousy in someone close, very close.

Jessica, sweet baby girl, help us here. Many are working hard to bring your killers to justice. I hope you left enough clues behind to make it possible.

I believe in her last living hour as her body quickly failed, her spirit and central nervous system were in autopilot overdrive trying to make sure justice would be done. It's all she had left to leave this world. And she was a fighter.

 

[machiado]

I think it possible that CW really was telling the truth about this getting out of hand, going too far. I've tried to walk through this in my mind concerning the phone and concerning a possible Batesville hotel sighting.

The phone left near the scene with its battery separated from but still nearby has ALWAYS struck me as the act of someone enraged in the moment and not the act of someone who planned this vicious act in advance.

I've always envisioned the possibility of an angry, frustrated, and maybe frightened JC walking away from her car and an argument. Maybe this was a tool taught to her at Leah's House to avoid situations that could lead to those doggone 'simple assault' type charges.

Maybe, just maybe, she left Batesville after an angry encounter there and went to see someone with whom she is familiar. Maybe the intent was consolation, but maybe the intent was to "straighten out a misunderstanding" that had led to the confrontation in Batesville. Maybe she parked at a place she regularly parked at to call this person and wait for his/her appearance a short time after. Maybe this person didnt have access to a car and needed to walk to their meeting place. Maybe she had done this numerous times before.

Maybe the wrong people showed up instead, maybe one who felt JC was "a snitch"; maybe those people were already at the location JC called last, maybe very nearby. Maybe one or more of those peeps had a propensity for flashes of uncontrollable intense anger and history of fighting that bordered on pathological borderline personality rage, maybe egged on by an ever-present friend who kept the cauldron boiling hot. Maybe that person also had intense jealousy issues concerning her baby daddy's affections.

If she drove there alone and was met by an angry female or two, maybe she was walking away from her car while her antagonist followed, screaming and trying to get her to fight back. Maybe a second person was dousing her car with gas by this time and JC tried to call 911 or someone else. Maybe her antagonist grabbed her phone, took the battery out, and threw it down, angry in that moment, without thinking of the future ahead. It seems the act of an enraged and possibly drunk (and not very smart) angry female.

Maybe at that point, the fists started flying frfr. With JC fighting back at this point, it's a free for all and whoever else is with crazy-mad-chick gets in on the action. Dragged back the short distance to her already-on-fire car, the mad-chicks do their lighter fluid thing in the crazy heat of the moment, maybe even just as a threat. Threat turns real as JC is caught in flames. One of the females wouldn't have gone this far. One is just too pathologically sick, mentally and substance abuse-wise, to have any control once things have gone this far.

The car itself may have even been part of mad-chicks jealousy if JC was known to give rides to males here and there, maybe sometimes her babydaddy? Or maybe mad-chick or her loyalty-fam was enraged if JC denied them a ride somewhere, or declined to ferry a bag of chips to them, or the 'right' cigs.

I dunno. I just keep having bad dreams of angry women picking a fight with JC and it "going too far". I've seen enough now at other sites to know that some do have uncontrollable anger issues, jealousy issues, and substance abuse issues, along with the hopelessness and despair of southern rural poverty and the repeating cycle of dependency.

I can see the men getting jacked up from their women folk harping on "snitching", and I can see an angry confrontation between them and JC, and I can even see them burning her car (maybe), but the final crime, IMO, smacks of a pathologically jealous woman's touch.

If JC did go see a former bf's mom several days before her death, maybe it was to confide in her about the "snitching" rumors and enlist her help in how to make it go away. If so, that kind and nurturing relationship alone could have set off a pathological jealousy in someone close, very close.

Jessica, sweet baby girl, help us here. Many are working hard to bring your killers to justice. I hope you left enough clues behind to make it possible.

I believe in her last living hour as her body quickly failed, her spirit and central nervous system were in autopilot overdrive trying to make sure justice would be done. It's all she had left to leave this world. And she was a fighter.

This seems risky to the perps themselves, to spray lighter fluid on JC near an already burning car - but anything is possible.

I guess it is also possible that there were two crime scenes, with two different sets of assailants - maybe the second set were jealous about the "party".

JMO

 

[OneLove]

This seems risky to the perps themselves, to spray lighter fluid on JC near an already burning car - but anything is possible.

I guess it is also possible that there were two crime scenes, with two different sets of assailants - maybe the second set were jealous about the "party".

JMO

Yes, VERY risky. But the behaviors I have seen from so far HAVE been quite risky and could incur sentences and confinement. That doesn't seem to be a deterrent. These players all have close friends and fam imprisoned, most for repeat offenses. Shooting from easily tracked cars and picking fights in public places are risky too, but these brains just don't think like that. Their subsequent prison terms seem to be a source of pride. Geez, many of them publicly announce their criminal activities in detail on FB and then are congratulated heartily by many. I don't think this crime was committed by a Mensa member. [emoji102]

 

[Classito]

A theory...mobile meth lab..

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/u-s-grapples-rise-rolling-meth-labs-article-1.1320625


Classito

 

[Yvettea]

Someone had to thoroughly saturate the tires of the car because they burned too. The total destruction of the car was part of the intent.

 

[OneLove]

Someone had to thoroughly saturate the tires of the car because they burned too. The total destruction of the car was part of the intent.

True. Most probably thoroughly saturated with gasoline; JC with lighter fluid? Do you think JC was meant to be part of the premeditation?

 

[MotherOcean]

I think it possible that CW really was telling the truth about this getting out of hand, going too far. I've tried to walk through this in my mind concerning the phone and concerning a possible Batesville hotel sighting.

The phone left near the scene with its battery separated from but still nearby has ALWAYS struck me as the act of someone enraged in the moment and not the act of someone who planned this vicious act in advance.

I've always envisioned the possibility of an angry, frustrated, and maybe frightened JC walking away from her car and an argument. Maybe this was a tool taught to her at Leah's House to avoid situations that could lead to those doggone 'simple assault' type charges.

Maybe, just maybe, she left Batesville after an angry encounter there and went to see someone with whom she is familiar. Maybe the intent was consolation, but maybe the intent was to "straighten out a misunderstanding" that had led to the confrontation in Batesville. Maybe she parked at a place she regularly parked at to call this person and wait for his/her appearance a short time after. Maybe this person didnt have access to a car and needed to walk to their meeting place. Maybe she had done this numerous times before.

Maybe the wrong people showed up instead, maybe one who felt JC was "a snitch"; maybe those people were already at the location JC called last, maybe very nearby. Maybe one or more of those peeps had a propensity for flashes of uncontrollable intense anger and history of fighting that bordered on pathological borderline personality rage, maybe egged on by an ever-present friend who kept the cauldron boiling hot. Maybe that person also had intense jealousy issues concerning her baby daddy's affections.

If she drove there alone and was met by an angry female or two, maybe she was walking away from her car while her antagonist followed, screaming and trying to get her to fight back. Maybe a second person was dousing her car with gas by this time and JC tried to call 911 or someone else. Maybe her antagonist grabbed her phone, took the battery out, and threw it down, angry in that moment, without thinking of the future ahead. It seems the act of an enraged and possibly drunk (and not very smart) angry female.

Maybe at that point, the fists started flying frfr. With JC fighting back at this point, it's a free for all and whoever else is with crazy-mad-chick gets in on the action. Dragged back the short distance to her already-on-fire car, the mad-chicks do their lighter fluid thing in the crazy heat of the moment, maybe even just as a threat. Threat turns real as JC is caught in flames. One of the females wouldn't have gone this far. One is just too pathologically sick, mentally and substance abuse-wise, to have any control once things have gone this far.

The car itself may have even been part of mad-chicks jealousy if JC was known to give rides to males here and there, maybe sometimes her babydaddy? Or maybe mad-chick or her loyalty-fam was enraged if JC denied them a ride somewhere, or declined to ferry a bag of chips to them, or the 'right' cigs.

I dunno. I just keep having bad dreams of angry women picking a fight with JC and it "going too far". I've seen enough now at other sites to know that some do have uncontrollable anger issues, jealousy issues, and substance abuse issues, along with the hopelessness and despair of southern rural poverty and the repeating cycle of dependency.

I can see the men getting jacked up from their women folk harping on "snitching", and I can see an angry confrontation between them and JC, and I can even see them burning her car (maybe), but the final crime, IMO, smacks of a pathologically jealous woman's touch.

If JC did go see a former bf's mom several days before her death, maybe it was to confide in her about the "snitching" rumors and enlist her help in how to make it go away. If so, that kind and nurturing relationship alone could have set off a pathological jealousy in someone close, very close.

Jessica, sweet baby girl, help us here. Many are working hard to bring your killers to justice. I hope you left enough clues behind to make it possible.

I believe in her last living hour as her body quickly failed, her spirit and central nervous system were in autopilot overdrive trying to make sure justice would be done. It's all she had left to leave this world. And she was a fighter.

This is an excellent post. I agree a thousand fold with your thinking.

 

[southernyankee]

Concerning the battery being removed from the phone, I did some surfing and found multiple references to problems that can occur.
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Bottom line at all the sites I visited seem to be damage could occur and the contents of the phone should be backed up before removing the battery.

Also, batteries aren't particularly easy to remove from many phones. The fact that the perp took this step could imply a certain sophistication and the desire to destroy the data on the phone. JMO

Waaaait just a cotton-pickin' minute. Has it been reported anywhere what kind of phone Jessica had? I realize there can be issues when removing a battery suddenly as mentioned - it's definitely a fast, easy way to disable a phone at least temporarily (vs just snatching it away + turning it off) but it's not exactly foolproof when it comes to attempting to destroy evidence.

If this was a smartphone, the simcard would arguably be the most crucial potential source of information (though fingerprints on the phone + information stored by the telecom carrier is key as well). Why wouldn't the perp just keep the phone + destroy it, or at least remove the simcard? This all suggests to me it was done in haste and they beat it out of Herron Road pretty quickly if the phone was left behind so sloppily...

 

[OneLove]

Logically speaking, if this was ALL premeditated, and they knew they were going to disable and dispose of the phone, you'd think they would have done that somewhere far away from the sight of her murder. And since pings can location services tell a lot, why not leave the phone wherever she was initially accosted or in a dumpster or trash can somewhere inbetween? Leaving it right there at the scene makes me think someone wasn't in their right mind at that moment. It definately doesn't smack of prior planning or much premeditation. Of course, I don't think these were the smartest folks, either.

 

[OneLove]

Does anyone know if the phone was left east or west of the burned car?

 

[gngr~snap]

I don't understand why not burn it? Perhaps it was dropped in a scuffle and couldn't be located in the dark? I've always heard if car jacked to throw your keys to allow for a possible getaway. Provided they aren't in the ignition. Can't imagine just leaving the cell there .

 

[MotherOcean]

I'm curious to know how many of us have a person or persons of interest in mind at this point. Let's not name any specific names, of course, but if you'd like to share a yay or nay, I'm interested. As for me, yes, I do.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm curious to know how many of us have a person or persons of interest in mind at this point. Let's not name any specific names, of course, but if you'd like to share a yay or nay, I'm interested. As for me, yes, I do.

Persons of Interest...yes. Actual Suspects...no.

I can't put anyone actually at the scene with her yet. Several people are quite suspicious, but it seems no one has given themselves away to being there.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Does anyone know if the phone was left east or west of the burned car?

I saw a photo where one person believed it was the cell cover or something still on the ground supposedly before the FBI arrived. It was down the incline more toward what would be behind, but slightly right of the car. Now...this is only speculation on the part of that poster and not at all confirmed to be accurate or even part of the phone.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What if Jessica tried to grab the phone inside the car to call for help and it burned her hand so she threw it? I don't know what kind of phone she had, but I dropped my old phone and the back flew off then the battery came out.

 

[Yvettea]

True. Most probably thoroughly saturated with gasoline; JC with lighter fluid? Do you think JC was meant to be part of the premeditation?

Well I don't know about the type of fuel. Gasoline smells so if you needed to go home afterward and didn't want anyone to suspect you ... you would use something low-odor. That would mean premeditation unless you carried the accelerant as a part of your job. The amount of accelerant also points to premeditation. It's hard to believe in a town this small that people don't know who did this. It seems they would be connected to the fire by the purchase of fuel alone.