MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 ; Quinton Tellis Indicted - #12

[MizStery]

"Jessica's sister, Amanda Prince, said it's the family's understanding from police that someone was inside Jessica's car before the attack. The assailant poured accelerant down her throat and nose and set her on fire. It's unclear if she was knocked out first or if she fought back, but there was a gash on her head, Ben Chambers and Prince said."

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/2014...-girl-on-fire-was-hiding-in-her-car/20148221/

This was pretty old, but I am reading through some of the initial reports pertaining to Jessica's case. Do you guys remember this?

Boldface added by me.

MSCJgrad, earlier gngr~snap posted some information about the supposed gash on Jessica's head possibly resulting from her burns, not a blow.

I have been intending to post gngr~snap's excellent post that the supposed gash would have been from the burns rather than a blow on the head. I have not had time to find it.

But! There was another excellent post on 'the' gash by another poster 'Seriously Searching'.I am took a snapshot of it because it is from a previous thread.

I am of the camp that believes Jessica's thermal injuries would make her brains ability to process or communicate with Cole Haley astronomically improbable oh,heck I am going to go out on a limb and say impossible.

SeriouslySearching

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IF she did have a gash...and I am not convinced she did since her father chose not to see her...it could have been caused by the concussion of a blast when the fuel was ignited knocking her into the door or another part of the car. It wasn't a factor in her death as the COD was being burned over 98% of her body. Any bump on the head at the right angle can result in a good gash and a lot of bleeding. Head wounds normally bleed like crazy.

No one had to hit her over the head to cause it. If LE is going by that single clue to state someone was with her and murdered her, they are going to have a difficult time proving it was not something else unless the blunt force trauma is so severe it caused a subdural hematoma found in the autopsy.​

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AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"
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[rbarber17]

I have been intending to post gngr~snap's excellent post that the supposed gash would have been from the burns rather than a blow on the head. I have not had time to find it.

But! There was another excellent post on 'the' gash by another poster 'Seriously Searching'.I am took a snapshot of it because it is from a previous thread.

I am of the camp that believes Jessica's thermal injuries would make her brains ability to process or communicate with Cole Haley astronomically improbable oh,heck I am going to go out on a limb and say impossible.

SeriouslySearching

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IF she did have a gash...and I am not convinced she did since her father chose not to see her...it could have been caused by the concussion of a blast when the fuel was ignited knocking her into the door or another part of the car. It wasn't a factor in her death as the COD was being burned over 98% of her body. Any bump on the head at the right angle can result in a good gash and a lot of bleeding. Head wounds normally bleed like crazy.

No one had to hit her over the head to cause it. If LE is going by that single clue to state someone was with her and murdered her, they are going to have a difficult time proving it was not something else unless the blunt force trauma is so severe it caused a subdural hematoma found in the autopsy.​

"WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"
A quote spray painted on the wall by search
and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.

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gngr~snap's earlier post (thread #11, post #931):
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-County-6-Dec-2014-11&p=12163222#post12163222

Note this comment from her first reference:

"Clinically, burn victims who survive only briefly (early death) develop a clouding of consciousness, often lapsing into coma."​

and this is from her second reference:

"Heat Ruptures: If the heat applied is very great, skin contracts and heat ruptures occur, either before or after death. They are produced by splitting of the soft parts. These splits may be anywhere, but are usually seen over extensor surfaces and joints. These ruptures or splits in the skin may be several centimeters (1 cm = 0.4 inch) in length, and superficially they may resemble lacerations or even incised wounds."​

 

[rbarber17]

Hard to tell who to believe in the issue of "Did she, or didn't she, speak?"

Here the Daily Mail in the UK wades in:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3351220/Police-grasping-new-leads-horrific-murder-19-year-old-Jessica-Chambers-burned-alive-car-family-mark-one-year-anniversary-death.html

"Lisa Daugherty told the channel WJTV she heard from one of the firefighters and from a nurse that her daughter said a man named Eric ‘did this’ to her. She allegedly said that she [Jessica] did not know her attacker's last name but repeated the first name about 15 times (color and underline added by me)."​

We all know who the "firefighter" was, but I wonder who the "nurse" was? Was it the Medevac nurse, or one of the nurses in the hospital in Memphis? And is she/he under the same "gag order" as the CVFD Chief?

That nurse might not be a Mississippi resident, so would be beyond the reach of Panola County LE and MBI investigators as far as being silenced. So it would have to be a warning from the FBI or the U.S. Marshals Service, right? But I believe that flight originated in Batesville and not Memphis, so maybe not. That, plus Lisa probably never even met the Medevac nurse who would have departed after dropping Jessica off, while Lisa was driving up, so it would have to be somebody in Memphis.

All JMO

 

[ZooSleuth]

What would be the Fire Chief's motive to lie about Jessica speaking those last words?

 

[MizStery]

What would be the Fire Chief's motive to lie about Jessica speaking those last words?

Earlier in the thread the most popular was he fabricated a 'dying declaration' i.e. Using common first name in Courtland to metaphorically throw off the hunting dogs.


Some suggestions in no particular order:creating an alibi,staging crime scene,cover up,directed 'to' by someone higher up on the food chain.


Gosh,if you have read any true crime novels deviant behavior has no boundaries.


:cow:

 

[Classito]

The mother said a lot of things that were questionable...for example..the 20 minute phone call...

Classito

 

[DeDee]

Hard to tell who to believe in the issue of "Did she, or didn't she, speak?"

Here the Daily Mail in the UK wades in:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3351220/Police-grasping-new-leads-horrific-murder-19-year-old-Jessica-Chambers-burned-alive-car-family-mark-one-year-anniversary-death.html

"Lisa Daugherty told the channel WJTV she heard from one of the firefighters and from a nurse that her daughter said a man named Eric ‘did this’ to her. She allegedly said that she [Jessica] did not know her attacker's last name but repeated the first name about 15 times (color and underline added by me)."​

We all know who the "firefighter" was, but I wonder who the "nurse" was? Was it the Medevac nurse, or one of the nurses in the hospital in Memphis? And is she/he under the same "gag order" as the CVFD Chief?

That nurse might not be a Mississippi resident, so would be beyond the reach of Panola County LE and MBI investigators as far as being silenced. So it would have to be a warning from the FBI or the U.S. Marshals Service, right? But I believe that flight originated in Batesville and not Memphis, so maybe not. That, plus Lisa probably never even met the Medevac nurse who would have departed after dropping Jessica off, while Lisa was driving up, so it would have to be somebody in Memphis.

All JMO

Classito wrote: The mother said a lot of things that were questionable...

I agree totally with Classito's post regarding LD.

WARNING: Graphic content

From the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...one-year-anniversary-death.html#ixzz3x6EeViWl

"Lisa Daugherty told the channel WJTV she heard from one of the firefighters and from a nurse that her daughter said a man named Eric ‘did this’ to her. She allegedly said that she did not know her attacker's last name but repeated the first name about 15 times. snip

Jessica was rushed to a hospital in Memphis, where she was put on a ventilator before succumbing to her injuries a few hours later."

rushed to a hospital in Memphis, where she was put on a ventilator

Jessica was treated by Ambu bag before she was transferred to a ventilator at the Med in Memphis. The medics had to use an Ambu bag on a tracheotomy because Jessica could not be intubated due to her nose, lips and mouth that were badly burned. She inhaled flames and toxic smoke. An Ambu bag was attached to the tracheotomy opening in her throat, by the medics, so she could be given air or O2. Please see instructions and pictures midway down the page at this link of how an Ambu bag is attached to a tracheotomy

http://www.myshepherdconnection.org/respiratory/tracheostomy-care/trach-button-plug

My first career was to scrub in surgery for a neurosurgeon who was the first in my state to operate on the brain while utilizing a microscope. Believe me. I have seen and tended to numerous trauma patients during my glory days. It is with a combination of my education, training, work experience, intellect and good common sense that I conclude this child did not speak. Noises, gargling type noises, could be made via her mouth as she struggled to breathe on her own, at first, but medics had a very difficult time stabilizing her.

What is it about being burned over 98% of the body and dying within hours does anyone not understand? She had no hair or fingernails. What clothing did not burn off of her during the intense flash fire melted into her skin tissue, especially polyester products. She had no eyebrows. She was blinded as her eyes had sunken in.

I am not searching for the link so consider this JMHO, but the ambulance met the Med-Evac at the church on Main Street about one mile from the CS where Med-Evac flew JC to Memphis. Keep in mind that Main Street becomes Herron Rd once you cross the RR tracks near the CVFD. The fire chief told us he put Med-Evac in the air. Med-Evac is 5.5 miles from Courtland. Once Jessica was leaving her CS, Darby ordered her car to be removed but not by using those exact words.

http://airambulanceworld.com/medevac/mississippi/batesville/

Now that I am blue in the face, :facepalm: this will be my last post regarding whether or not Jessica could speak after a killer or killers squirted lighter fluid in her nose, in her mouth and down her throat, doused her and her car in gasoline then immolated Jessica and the CS possibly by utilizing a Molotov cocktail or two.

It is only my opinion where no link is provided. Please do not take it anywhere else on the internet without permission. TIA

 

[DexterMorgan]

I agree totally with Classito's post regarding LD.

WARNING: Graphic content

From the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...one-year-anniversary-death.html#ixzz3x6EeViWl

"Lisa Daugherty told the channel WJTV she heard from one of the firefighters and from a nurse that her daughter said a man named Eric ‘did this’ to her. She allegedly said that she did not know her attacker's last name but repeated the first name about 15 times. snip

Jessica was rushed to a hospital in Memphis, where she was put on a ventilator before succumbing to her injuries a few hours later."



Jessica was treated by Ambu bag before she was transferred to a ventilator at the Med in Memphis. The medics had to use an Ambu bag on a tracheotomy because Jessica could not be intubated due to her nose, lips and mouth that were badly burned. She inhaled flames and toxic smoke. An Ambu bag was attached to the tracheotomy opening in her throat, by the medics, so she could be given air or O2. Please see instructions and pictures midway down the page at this link of how an Ambu bag is attached to a tracheotomy

http://www.myshepherdconnection.org/respiratory/tracheostomy-care/trach-button-plug

My first career was to scrub in surgery for a neurosurgeon who was the first in my state to operate on the brain while utilizing a microscope. Believe me. I have seen and tended to numerous trauma patients during my glory days. It is with a combination of my education, training, work experience, intellect and good common sense that I conclude this child did not speak. Noises, gargling type noises, could be made via her mouth as she struggled to breathe on her own, at first, but medics had a very difficult time stabilizing her.

What is it about being burned over 98% of the body and dying within hours does anyone not understand? She had no hair or fingernails. What clothing did not burn off of her during the intense flash fire melted into her skin tissue, especially polyester products. She had no eyebrows. She was blinded as her eyes had sunken in.

I am not searching for the link so consider this JMHO, but the ambulance met the Med-Evac at the church on Main Street about one mile from the CS where Med-Evac flew JC to Memphis. Keep in mind that Main Street becomes Herron Rd once you cross the RR tracks near the CVFD. The fire chief told us he put Med-Evac in the air. Med-Evac is 5.5 miles from Courtland. Once Jessica was leaving her CS, Darby ordered her car to be removed but not by using those exact words.

http://airambulanceworld.com/medevac/mississippi/batesville/

Now that I am blue in the face, :facepalm: this will be my last post regarding whether or not Jessica could speak after a killer or killers squirted lighter fluid in her nose, in her mouth and down her throat, doused her and her car in gasoline then immolated Jessica and the CS possibly by utilizing a Molotov cocktail or two.

It is only my opinion where no link is provided. Please do not take it anywhere else on the internet without permission. TIA

Just WoW DeeDee. You may be on to something. Also. If she supposedly said Eric 15 times. Then why didn't they ask her more about Eric. Like who is he friends with. Or where did they meet that night. Do you know his number. Or why did eric do this. Or something.

But your explanation does make it seem like she wouldn't have been able to converse. Good job.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I agree totally with Classito's post regarding LD.

WARNING: Graphic content

From the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...one-year-anniversary-death.html#ixzz3x6EeViWl

"Lisa Daugherty told the channel WJTV she heard from one of the firefighters and from a nurse that her daughter said a man named Eric ‘did this’ to her. She allegedly said that she did not know her attacker's last name but repeated the first name about 15 times. snip

Jessica was rushed to a hospital in Memphis, where she was put on a ventilator before succumbing to her injuries a few hours later."



Jessica was treated by Ambu bag before she was transferred to a ventilator at the Med in Memphis. The medics had to use an Ambu bag on a tracheotomy because Jessica could not be intubated due to her nose, lips and mouth that were badly burned. She inhaled flames and toxic smoke. An Ambu bag was attached to the tracheotomy opening in her throat, by the medics, so she could be given air or O2. Please see instructions and pictures midway down the page at this link of how an Ambu bag is attached to a tracheotomy

http://www.myshepherdconnection.org/respiratory/tracheostomy-care/trach-button-plug

My first career was to scrub in surgery for a neurosurgeon who was the first in my state to operate on the brain while utilizing a microscope. Believe me. I have seen and tended to numerous trauma patients during my glory days. It is with a combination of my education, training, work experience, intellect and good common sense that I conclude this child did not speak. Noises, gargling type noises, could be made via her mouth as she struggled to breathe on her own, at first, but medics had a very difficult time stabilizing her.

What is it about being burned over 98% of the body and dying within hours does anyone not understand? She had no hair or fingernails. What clothing did not burn off of her during the intense flash fire melted into her skin tissue, especially polyester products. She had no eyebrows. She was blinded as her eyes had sunken in.

I am not searching for the link so consider this JMHO, but the ambulance met the Med-Evac at the church on Main Street about one mile from the CS where Med-Evac flew JC to Memphis. Keep in mind that Main Street becomes Herron Rd once you cross the RR tracks near the CVFD. The fire chief told us he put Med-Evac in the air. Med-Evac is 5.5 miles from Courtland. Once Jessica was leaving her CS, Darby ordered her car to be removed but not by using those exact words.

http://airambulanceworld.com/medevac/mississippi/batesville/

Now that I am blue in the face, :facepalm: this will be my last post regarding whether or not Jessica could speak after a killer or killers squirted lighter fluid in her nose, in her mouth and down her throat, doused her and her car in gasoline then immolated Jessica and the CS possibly by utilizing a Molotov cocktail or two.

It is only my opinion where no link is provided. Please do not take it anywhere else on the internet without permission. TIA

I always felt it (the saying of a name before death) was more of a rouse to make the responsible party nervous & confess or to have a witness or someone in the know come forward. LE has so very little to go on that they are simply calling someone's bluff.
But it didn't work.

 

[MizStery]

I always felt it (the saying of a name before death) was more of a rouse to make the responsible party nervous & confess or to have a witness or someone in the know come forward. LE has so very little to go on that they are simply calling someone's bluff.
But it didn't work.

Please read,this is a 'theoretical question'

This is a 'what if' post:

I am not a criminal defense attorney but if a suspect is charged with Jessica's murder; I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if Sheriff Darby/Cole Haley used a rouse manufactured from the crime scene to elicit an arrest for Jessica's crime? Could a criminal defense attorney file a motion for dismissal based on Sheriff Darby's/Cole Haley fabrication of a 'dying declaration' by Jessica at the crime scene? If the crime scene was modified and or evidence tampered with;how would a judge rule?

Also,could a Grand Jury suppress knowledge and indict even of it knew of rouse by Sheriff Darby/Cole Haley modifying evidence collected from the official crime scene?

:cow:

 

[drjones]

The story about her saying a name came out almost immediately, I dont think it was part of any scheme by LE.

 

[rbarber17]

Strap on your tin foil hats you Buckaroos out there in Websleuths radioland: it's conspiracy theory time...

I ran across these folks while doing some research on something else, as usual. It seems plausible to me, though admittedly far fetched, that some of these jaspers might have been involved. For one thing, they seem to favor firebombing and assassination. For another thing, they seem to like to keep their crimes UNSOLVED:

Pakistani Radical Group Jamaat al-Fuqra

Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaat_ul-Fuqra
“Jamaat ul-Fuqra (alternatively Jamaat al-Fuqra) (Arabic for "Community of the Impoverished") is a terrorist organization of mostly African-American Muslims based in Pakistan and the United States.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2291
“Over the years, at least a dozen Fuqra members have been convicted of crimes including conspiracy to commit murder, firebombing, gun smuggling, and workers' compensation fraud in the United States or Canada. And Fuqra members are suspects in at least 10 unsolved assassinations and 17 firebombings between 1979 and 1990.”

Map showing the group’s activities and compounds:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/763/235/1600/NCJRS map1.JPG
https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jamaat.png
Distance from Marion, AL to Courtland, MS is 256 miles.
Distance from Dover, TN to Courtland, MS is 233 miles.

http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/2012/10/25/twilight-in-america/
“Once trained, the “soldiers” carry out undercover commando assignments against their targets: Hindus, Jews, Christians, other Muslims, and anyone who disagrees with them. Every terrorist act conceivable has been committed, including murder.”

[Bold Red added by me]


They don't seem to have been very active lately, but that last article is dated 10/25/12. Might "soldiers" have converged on Herron Road on December 6, 2014, from two different compounds and carried out such a horrible act? I'm sure the ATF and FBI would have them on their radar. Might be the reason for putting up billboards about Jessica's murder in other states?

JMC (Just My Conspiracy)

 

[BirdycatNY]

Strap on your tin foil hats you Buckaroos out there in Websleuths radioland: it's conspiracy theory time...

RBarber, since you posted a conspiracy theory, here is one of my conspiracy theories from awhile ago:

Dixie Mafia, only because it's a secretive group, violent, and operates in parts of South, see Dixie Mafia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Mafia

Thanks for the information. From the maps, it looks like varied activity all around US and compound in Alabama. I still think Jessica's murderer had more intimate connection to her. But it's still possible and I think there were terrorist threats (international) in TN shortly before JC's death? Feel free to correct if that's not right.

Jmo on tin-foil theories/ :alien3:

 

[rbarber17]

RBarber, since you posted a conspiracy theory, here is one of my conspiracy theories from awhile ago:

Dixie Mafia, only because it's a secretive group, violent, and operates in parts of South, see Dixie Mafia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Mafia

Thanks for the information. From the maps, it looks like varied activity all around US and compound in Alabama. I still think Jessica's murderer had more intimate connection to her. But it's still possible and I think there were terrorist threats (international) in TN shortly before JC's death? Feel free to correct if that's not right.

Jmo on tin-foil theories/ :alien3:

Wowzers, BirdycatNY. I am flabbergasted. All I can say is, you don't know what you don't know. Gonna take another couple of wraps on my hat.

JMO

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Please read,this is a 'theoretical question'

This is a 'what if' post:


I am not a criminal defense attorney but if a suspect is charged with Jessica's murder; I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if Sheriff Darby/Cole Haley used a rouse manufactured from the crime scene to elicit an arrest for Jessica's crime? Could a criminal defense attorney file a motion for dismissal based on Sheriff Darby's/Cole Haley fabrication of a 'dying declaration' by Jessica at the crime scene? If the crime scene was modified and or evidence tampered with;how would a judge rule?

Also,could a Grand Jury suppress knowledge and indict even of it knew of rouse by Sheriff Darby/Cole Haley modifying evidence collected from the official crime scene?

:cow:

.....good point & it cuts both ways: suppose LE arrests someone for JC murder and this guy's name is "Tom"----I betcha' the defense attorneys will have a field day 'cause by some accounts, the perps name is "Eric" or "Derrick", per the word JC allegedly spoke.

It's a lose-lose no matter which way it plays out, imo

 

[BirdycatNY]

Wowzers, BirdycatNY. I am flabbergasted. All I can say is, you don't know what you don't know. Gonna take another couple of wraps on my hat.

JMO

RBarber, just to add to your conspiracy theories, have you heard about Katherine Smith case? I don't know if/who was responsible for her murder, but it happened in TN http://nypost.com/2002/02/13/911-link-eyed-in-fiery-death-of-crooked-dmv-worker/

Jmo

 

[rbarber17]

RBarber, just to add to your conspiracy theories, have you heard about Katherine Smith case? I don't know if/who was responsible for her murder, but it happened in TN http://nypost.com/2002/02/13/911-link-eyed-in-fiery-death-of-crooked-dmv-worker/

Jmo

No, I hadn't, BirdycatNY. Thanks for the link, my head's spinning. Already on my second roll of aluminum foil...

Don't you just hate those -obvious- "tragic coincidences" as the defense attorney termed that suspicious car-and-victim burning, with no gas tank rupture and just a small dent in the car? Conclusion: Jessica OBVIOUSLY should not have been playing with matches.

 

[DeDee]

The story about her saying a name came out almost immediately, I dont think it was part of any scheme by LE.

The first time I learned of the "names" Jessica allegedly spoke following her fatal immolation was during the Eric Bibbs interview by Janice Broach. Eric Bibbs was the 2nd man questioned. Was the first man questioned George Boone Mista? EBs interview begins at the 1:00 minute mark:

[video=youtube;KYjYVkEBPdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYjYVkEBPdg[/video]


PS ~ The investigator told Eric Bibbs an accident happened down the road from his home. It was not an accident.

 

[Sabra]

For those interested in the Dixie Mafia.

There is a book called The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories. About a third of that book is devoted to Clinton and the Dixie Mafia with the other two thirds covering Vince Foster and the Oklahoma City Bombing. To be very clear, this is not a conspiracy theory junk book. It is backed up with names, dates, times, and a large portion in the back of the book contains photocopies of relevant documents and pictures. I personally, was floored.

The book is available in hardcover for less than $5 including shipping on Amazon.

 

[DeDee]

RBarber, just to add to your conspiracy theories, have you heard about Katherine Smith case? I don't know if/who was responsible for her murder, but it happened in TN http://nypost.com/2002/02/13/911-link-eyed-in-fiery-death-of-crooked-dmv-worker/

Jmo

Oh, my. Speaking of sleepless nights... If it's going to be an all nighter, I'll raise the Tin Man two Ruby Slippers.