MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/5/11

[SmoothOperator]

Re: sighting of man with diaper clad baby being dressed ALL IN WHITE..

It was not stated that the male was dressed in "all white".. Much different both sightings(husband/wife@12:15am and motorcycle man(MT)@4:00am) stated that the male had "on a white tshirt".. Nothing at all In either sighting about the man being "dressed in all white".. Just wanted to clarify FWIW..

 

[yllek]

BBM
I respectfully disagree. If people think the parents are possibly sly enough to cover-up their involvement in BL's disappearance by possibly sending out a decoy with a baby doll, while simultaneously being dumb enough to say their phones are not working when clearly at least one of them did, then I am at least open to the possibility that a kidnapper was smart enough to plan this out and have more than just himself or herself involved (one person to kidnap and then meet somewhere to exchange the baby or leave in a certain predetermined place for the other person to pick her up) and simultaneously dumb enough to be in the area for a few hours. MOO

That's okay. We can respectfully agree to disagree. A game of pass-the-baby is out of the realm of possibilities in my mind, whether Lisa's family is involved or not. I also don't believe that the doll decoy theory is reasonable for many reasons, whether Lisa's family is involved or not. But, these are just my opinions as to what constitutes "reasonable" and I respect and consider those opinions that differ.

 

[Jaxson]

How far apart were the video of the white blob and the guy all dressed in white seen by Mike the motorcycle man? Anybody know off hand? Tia

 

[yllek]

Re: sighting of man with diaper clad baby being dressed ALL IN WHITE..

It was not stated that the male was dressed in "all white".. Much different both sightings(husband/wife@12:15am and motorcycle man(MT)@4:00am) stated that the male had "on a white tshirt".. Nothing at all In either sighting about the man being "dressed in all white".. Just wanted to clarify FWIW..

Actually, in his last interview Motorcycle Man did say the man that he saw with a baby was dressed in all white. White shirt, white pants, white vest. The neighbors say a bald man, tall and thin. The Motorcyle Man says a man with salt-n-pepper hair, built. Motorcycle man picked a man out of a photo line-up; neighbor could not. These new details from Motorcycle Man came from him directly on HLN on Wednesday.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

That's okay. We can respectfully agree to disagree. A game of pass-the-baby is out of the realm of possibilities in my mind, whether Lisa's family is involved or not. I also don't believe that the doll decoy theory is reasonable for many reasons, whether Lisa's family is involved or not. But, these are just my opinions as to what constitutes "reasonable" and I respect and consider those opinions that differ.

I agree, it's possible but not probable. #1 No matter who took Baby Lisa from the home would have to have an accomplise willing to take the risk of being seen and ID'ed, and if located would have to explain why they were walking around with a doll on the night BL went missing. #2 That would have taken planning an abduction or faking an abduction to another level, since it wasn't necessary for anyone to "see the alledged kidnapper".

 

[KathrynL]

i'm thinking it was more like several days later. I really don't remember though. It seems like it was right before the big search.

The kid could be something or nothing. I have found out about 3 other people that had known access to the house being asked for fingerprints and dna. 2 of them I am absolutely positive had nothing to do with this and the 3rd I don't have an opinion because I don't know them, only who they are.

Thank you so much for your local insight. It is very helpful.

I felt it here in North Texas, so did my Corgie....he's not happy about it either.

OT- I have Corgis to. They're a trip. Mine are all bent because I did some decluttering today and put an area rug down in the family room. lol

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Got link? tia

 

[jjenny]

Re: sighting of man with diaper clad baby being dressed ALL IN WHITE..

It was not stated that the male was dressed in "all white".. Much different both sightings(husband/wife@12:15am and motorcycle man(MT)@4:00am) stated that the male had "on a white tshirt".. Nothing at all In either sighting about the man being "dressed in all white".. Just wanted to clarify FWIW..

The motorcycle man claimed the man he saw was all dressed in white in his latest interviews.

 

[Sherbie]

During his third national interview, Mike T (Motorcycle Man) told us that the man he saw carrying a baby at 4 am was dressed in white shirt, white pants, and a white vest. This "all white" detail was new to us and came after the blob video had been televised. In this 3rd interview, he also referred to the baby as a "she" and told us that the baby was wearing a t-shirt (in his previous public accounts the sex was not mentioned and the baby was only said to be in a diaper with no coat or coverings). He also said it was 45 degrees outside at the time, but InDaMiddle assures us it was a much warmer 60 degrees (which is accurate according to weather reports for the area on that day).

Interesting to see how this turns out... Hopefully, something positive for sweet Lisa will come of it, one way or another.

The reporter, Spellman, also said MT was taken by former family attorney, Ms. Short, to the PD for an interview with LE. I'm still not sure how that came to be unless she saw him in media and contacted him, or he initiated contact with her rather than going straight to LE. Does anyone know if that was ever determined?

 

[yllek]

IIRC, Mike T appeared on a couple of HLN shows this week. Here is his interview on Nancy Grace from Wednesday, for reference:

GRACE: Mike, could you describe for me what you observed the night baby Lisa goes missing?

THOMPSON: Yes. I`d just got off work, and I was going down the highway. And I exited on 48th Street. I go over to see my cousin after work on Tuesday mornings. And I was going down 48th Street, and I see a man carrying a baby about 30, 40 foot up one street.

GRACE: And what did the baby have on?

THOMPSON: A diaper and a T-shirt.

GRACE: Diaper and a T-shirt.

THOMPSON: And he was wearing a short-sleeved shirt. Huh?

GRACE: OK, so the baby`s wearing diapers and a T-shirt. And what did the man look like?

THOMPSON: Oh, about 5-7, 5-8, kind of salt-and-pepper hair. Yes. He`s pretty well built. He had a T-shirt on and white pants.

GRACE: Mike Thompson joining us, claims he sees the baby being carried by a man around 4:00 AM when baby Lisa goes missing. Mike Thompson, is it true that you have identified a man in a photo line-up?

THOMPSON: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Repeat?

THOMPSON: Huh? Yes, I...

GRACE: Have you identified a man in a photo line-up?

THOMPSON: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Do you know who the man is?

THOMPSON: No, I don`t. It`s the man I seen that night, I`m sure.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/02/ng.01.html

 

[sorrell skye]

And Debbie said nothing else was missing that early morning...no drawers which held B Lisa's clothes were open, or did the kidnappers close the drawer on the way out, but forget to turn the lights off? Or maybe those clothes were in the pile of dirty laundry out in the open?

Did she? I thought she said she didn't know, didn't check, and didn't care.

My office building (which I share with my partner & a few other colleagues) was burglarized two years ago. When I arrived @ work one morning & went into my office, I immediately noticed that several drawers were opened. I chalked it up to "_____ must have opened the drawers & left in a hurry", but I still found it odd, since my partner never leaves drawers opened. Plus, there was just a weird vibe when I entered the room (before I even knew about the burglary). It wasn't until I spoke with another colleague that day that I learned someone had burglarized our building the night before & that was the reason for the opened drawers in my office.

The thing is: when things are not as they should be, one notices. If drawers were opened in the baby's room when they shouldn't have been, I think it would have been noticed. Besides which, I remember DB stating in one of the early interviews (when asked by a reporter if anything was out of place in Lisa's room - paraphrasing) that nothing was missing or out of place and it was as if "they" had just disappeared.

IIRC, DB's comments about "not checking" were regarding whether or not anything else was missing (i.e. valuable items a burglar might be interested in, is how I interpreted it).

I don't believe for a minute that the alleged *kidnapper* ransacked Baby Lisa's bureau & stole clothes, and then tossed those same clothes later that night in an area where the searchers conveniently found them earlier today.

 

[DeAnn]

Kansas City Star has undertaken a "profile" of Debbie Bradley.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/05/3250061/from-mother-hen-to-media-villain.html

 

[KathrynL]

I don't like to speak of personal things, but after reading the KC Star's article, I can no longer hold back something that's been cooking in my head about DB.

I raised a stepson from age 5.5 to 17. His bio-mother was a drunk/pot head. She was neglectful, emotionally abusive, and she expected this little boy to look after his 2yo brother. She blamed him one morning when she overslept and he was late for school. She also was and is a big fat liar. One day she borrowed my car to take him to school because it was snowing. When she got back she was drunk ('bout 9:30 in the morning), but told me this big story about being sidetracked by the principal of the school. I later found out her license was revoked. When my ss was 5.9, she moved away and told him she would "call tomorrow". Never did, but made a big show of attending his Kindergarten "graduation" 3 months later. :sick: Her whole family is so dysfunctional it blows my mind. And that is something, because I came from a screwed up family myself. And, ps, I'm not sure if my stepson is the bio child of my husband. This woman did claim that her live-in boyfriend (who had a vasectomy) was the father of her 2nd child.

I've thought of this all these years later following this case. Now that I read that article about DBs background it's even easier to draw some parallels. I learned that some people can fake being caring moms to outsiders when they really, really aren't. And that addicts are total liars and manipulators. And they will lie til the cows come home to cover their own behinds-to the point of making the people around them feel like they are crazy or suffering from dementia. I don't know that DB purposefully harmed Lisa (tho it is possible). But I think it's very possible she would lie endlessly to cover up, no matter.

IME and MOO

 

[ElliemayJ]

The neighbor lady and the motorcycle guy don't describe the same man they supposedly saw. The neighbor lady described the guy as a tall, slender, bald, in t-shirt and dark pants. The motorcycle guy described the guy was well build, salt and pepper hair, not very tall, all dressed in white. So I have no clue what it is all of them saw, but it sure does not appear to be the same man.

With a lot of time in between. There could have been a trade off or someone else involved.

As for the clothing, I wondered if the shirt was stuffed in a pocket or something and fell out. Maybe they grabbed it and stuffed it in their pocket for later. They didn't want to put her back in the clothes she was wearing knowing that an Amber Alert would list her current outfit. So they stripped her but didn't take the time to redress her and a naked baby could be seen as a boy or girl. MOO

 

[DeAnn]

Based on this article, DB is definitely able to drive (even if she can't drive legally).

I wonder if she has a driver's license out of Delaware or the Carolinas? It's an idea I hadn't thought of until reading this story. Legally, she should get a Missouri driver's license but she could certainly have an out of state one and not bothered with a Missouri one.

 

[yllek]

This was a snip played on Jane Velez Mitchell, from Mike T (Motorcycle Man) on 11/2.

He turned to look at me and I looked at him and I could tell he had a baby with him. She had a t-shirt and either training pants or a diaper on. It was too cold for that, I thought.

This was between stories about Lindsay Lohan and Kim Kardashian.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/02/ng.01.html

There was more from Mike T on HLN this week, but I really can't search out every tidbit and some probably don't have transcripts anyway.

 

[DeAnn]

It was found several blocks north of there. It wouldn't be found if nobody was looking there either.

Do you have anymore details you feel comfortable sharing? Do you think it's the real deal? Were police notified or does Stanton have it now?

 

[AngelWings444]

With a lot of time in between. There could have been a trade off or someone else involved.

As for the clothing, I wondered if the shirt was stuffed in a pocket or something and fell out. Maybe they grabbed it and stuffed it in their pocket for later. They didn't want to put her back in the clothes she was wearing knowing that an Amber Alert would list her current outfit. So they stripped her but didn't take the time to redress her and a naked baby could be seen as a boy or girl. MOO

That kidnapper was so busy that night. Climbing in the window, turning lights on/off, taking clothes, moving kids, calling people, taking cell phones, wandering around the neighborhood for hours and hours. And, on and on..:innocent:

 

[beach]

Guys, I removed a couple of posts alleging that motorcycle man positively ID'd the subject guy carrying the baby as a particular neighbor. We NEED a link for something like that. If someone can provide a link, I will be more than happy to reapprove those posts.

 

[Quizzical]

It was found several blocks north of there. It wouldn't be found if nobody was looking there either.

BBM
Do you mean it wasn't just tossed in the woods somewhere, but it was well hidden?

Thanks for all the inside information you provide. I always look for your posts and give your thoughts a lot of weight in my mind since you are from the area.

 

[CanManEh]

I do have a theory about who the biker saw mind you its just that a theory ,,But when he came in to the public eye the biker i mean he was on hln news and jane valez said 100 percent the man he saw was not jersey they would not release the mans name but they would say it was not jersey. Then they go to a clip of the HLN reporter talking to the biker and the reporter says to the biker take a look at this he shows him his I phone and is playing a video ..He says to the biker Is this the man you saw holding the baby at 2 in the mourning the biker leans in looks at the I phone and says to the HLN reporter YES ,,,now the only video the hln reporter that i know of that they had was of the mom and the brother in the grocery store and i believe thats what he was showing the biker and thats who the biker identified as who he saw carrying the baby..and the very next day what happens ? The brother was takin in by police...all a coincidence i say no but again this is just a theory that seems to really fit.