MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/7/11

[Abby Normal]

Since I am new, I would like to "pick your brains", Fellow Sleuths. When it is reported that the DA's Office has "troubling news", who, and/or what, may they be referring to? Is it troubling to the people involved in the case, or is it troubling to investigators? Or, do we just have to wait and see?
TIA :waitasec:

It probably sounds more tantalizing than it is. It was purposefully vague, so we don't know any more than you.

 

[Seth]

It really boggles my mind that with how much LE knows how to look for these missing children now, and it does seem they have done a good job trying to find baby Lisa since this all happened that they haven't found her! If baby Lisa disappeared while under DB's care, how and where could she have put her so that know one has been able to find this beautiful baby girl?

 

[Abby Normal]

And I just want to add

because I know you are all just waiting for me to weight in on it, right?

that I believe they found "a" leopard print piece of clothing. The deputy that was with them most likely wouldn't let anyone touch it, uncrumple it, photograph it, etc. They called DB, DB describes places to look, they eventually find it, it's dismissed. IOW- I wouldn't even count on it being the right size or the right type of garment. If it is anywhere a child, even a neighborhood child, might roam to play- then there WILL be random things like that around. I don't think leopard print is obscure right now at all, though it certainly should be. Unless you're a leopard. Then it's reasonable.

 

[greenpalm]

I don't think we give kids enough credit. Everyone seems to be crowding around them claiming answering ANY questions would be so insanely traumatic it shouldn't even be considered. I don't think so-kids are tough as nails. They are old enough to handle a question or two and they are also old enough to feel good that they helped. They deserve to try to help Lisa and they deserve to talk about how they feel and what they might or might not have seen or heard.

Just for fun, tonight, I looked at my calendar to see what we did on October 4th. It turns out it was an unusual day. My Dad & his wife came to visit, an old friend from the neighborhood stopped by unexpectedly, a MLB baseball post-season game was on the radio in the middle of the afternoon, which we were listening to while we had guests, and we went out to dinner. So… having refreshed my memory of the day, I asked my 8 YO if he would be my Guinneau Pig. He agreed. He was able to recall some details of the day: I reminded him that I picked him up from science class but we didn't stop for Slushees, as usual, because his grandpa was coming. That gave him context for what day it was. He could remember a treat my dad brought him. He remembered that the neighbors were here. He could not recall which restaurant where we ate dinner, although he listed several, including the correct one. This is noteworthy, because it was the first time we'd ever eaten there. (my 5 YO remembered, she even remembered what she ate). He absolutely could NOT recall that we were listening to The Rangers on the radio, even though I gave him a number of hints, which I would characterize as leading the witness. However, he did remember that all the grown-ups were talking about the immigration status of our neighborhood friends, and our worry that she could be facing deportation, and that we are helping her with letters oof sponsorship.

I am sharing all this, because I worry that an interview with the boys, after so much time has past may not even be useful, particularly if they've been coached to remember things differently. It helped my confidence in "testing" my son, because there were a lot of memorable things that happened that day. It wasn't just another day… I hope the boys can give LE something useful, if they ever get a chance, but I have my doubts.

Oh, shoot. I thought of a different possibility. Unfortunately, searchers who find things have been known to plant things for the attention and 'glory' of the find on occasion. I don't know any of the searchers from Adam, but theoretically, that's a possibility.

Yep, I thought of that too. "oh look! I found something useful!" remember the recent case of Breanne Rodriguez? They found training wheels in an area they'd already searched! Who knows what the thinking was there! (I'm not sure it was ever confirmed they were hers, but in her case an arrest was made aft about a week)

It probably sounds more tantalizing than it is. It was purposefully vague, so we don't know any more than you.

if they had huge breaking news, they wouldn't sit on it. They'd tell us.

 

[justamommy]

I'm not being snarky but are the Flintstones popular? I know they were on TV when I was quite young. Then there was a movie in 1994, but I don't think I've seen anything since then. I also don't do Halloween, so no clue if pebbles outfits are sold, or commonly worn for Halloween. IMO, again not being snarky, but I'd think the chance of seeing a toddler dressed as Pebbles would be about as good as one dressed as a smurf.

I've seen patterns for Flintstones Halloween costumes this year. Sidenote...Smurfs are back. lol:seeya:

 

[my_tee_mouse]

A 4.7 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/US10/32.42.-100.-90_eqs.php

Weighing in late...but yep, felt this one up here in NW Ark as well (and three small aftershocks too).

 

[justamommy]

Is it possible that this was not just a cruel joke, but an intentional distraction from someone involved? Someone who needs to throw the current course of LE off track? JMO/ MOO

Per Jim Spellman CNN:

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
RE: search Saturday. Edith tells me they found baby clothes that looked like what Lisa was wearing in the shot of her at the door...

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
But Edith says DB came and checked and those clothes were still in the house. That's all per Edith, who organized the search.

https://twitter.com/#!/jimspellmancnn

MOO, JMO I think it was a cruel joke. If it had been planted to throw investigation off, I would think DB would have gotten rid of the other dress or simply used that dress. JMO, MOO

 

[vlpate]

And I just want to add

because I know you are all just waiting for me to weight in on it, right?

that I believe they found "a" leopard print piece of clothing. The deputy that was with them most likely wouldn't let anyone touch it, uncrumple it, photograph it, etc. They called DB, DB describes places to look, they eventually find it, it's dismissed. IOW- I wouldn't even count on it being the right size or the right type of garment. If it is anywhere a child, even a neighborhood child, might roam to play- then there WILL be random things like that around. I don't think leopard print is obscure right now at all, though it certainly should be. Unless you're a leopard. Then it's reasonable.

:floorlaugh: We don't always agree, but that was funny lol

BEM

 

[justamommy]

Bet THAT'S a sentence you never thought you'd say, huh?

:floorlaugh: I was cracking up when I read that and then scroll down and you had to say this. :floorlaugh: I should've known I could count on you, Kat.

 

[neesaki]

This has probably already been posted but I didn't find it so just in case:
Potential suspect profile submitted to FBI:
http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...te-potential-suspect-profile-submitted-to-fbi

 

[justamommy]

I should have clarified, I do not believe the outfit resembles a flinstone outfit at all. But I'm pretty sure that's not real relevant.
I do not think finding an outfit similar to Lisa's is just a coincidence. If it is, this case is chock full of coincidences. When things seem to relate, they typically do.

I guess it could be some sick hoax, but still have a hard time buying that one.

BBM and bouncing off your post...

:floorlaugh: Can we stop with the Flintstone references?!:floorlaugh: I'm trying to catch up here. I think I am tired and getting delirious (sp?), because everytime I see these fashion references to the Flintstones I just crack up. :lol: OK, back to reading... :floorlaugh:

 

[cluciano63]

I think it is more likely that an actual leopard was found, than any clothing of real value to the investigation...JMO

 

[neese]

Yes, askforina I feel the same frustration as well and IMO the blame goes to both the network as well as the individual reporter Megyn Kelly.. Prior to this case I liked Megyn and for the most part respected her reporting(and actually have a relative that knows Megyn personally).. But the way she has chosen to handle and report this case IMO not only lowers her credibility, but IMO literally puts her reporting in the same exact category as the rag tabloids.. I don't get it at all why she(and i purposefully say "she" rather than the network.. Because MK has more than enough pull at Fox to report on a case the way she chooses or feels comfortable with)feels the need to put the "extra spin" in her reporting the Irwin case. I mean it's quite salacious all on it's own with the early admissions of heavily drinking.. But of course thats
just my opinion..

But as far as the 2 hour interview that we know that she did with parents several weeks ago and literally took that 2 hours worth of footage and cut and pasted it into 60-90second vignettes that she paired alongside Judge Janines totally edited with cuts and pastes footage from a couple weeks prior.. Then after showing the 60second blurbs back to back(that with one Megyn actually tells the viewers that DB then said.." Bla.. Bla.." After the video was over!!.. I was like, oh really? Well, if that's what DB said then why did u not just play us that part of video?.. Why would After a video clip would you then tell the viewer that DB made a certain statement??.. IT WAS EXTREMELY SHODDY AND MISLEADING REPORTING!!).. It was rag type reporting imo!! but most of all I, much like you really question where the remaining 1 hour and 40mins worth of footage from the interview with the parents is?!?!?.. And I've searched for it.. It's no where to be found as IMO they've not released it(as is SOP for any remaining raw footage..) The media outlet after using the edited out portions for their broadcast or article.. Then will release the raw footage on their websites for any/all who care to view it.. I find it extremely strange and odd that the teeny tiny percentage used out of the total of 2 hours of footage is still the only footage available from the extensive interview with Deborah and Jeremy..WTH??



Above BBM.. And this is precisely what I mean in my taking issue with Fox and its reporters regarding the Irwin case!!! It's truly as if they are taking what they feel, think, or just wanna say about this case and get on international broadcasts and say it!! Who cares if it's true, honest, *or accurate.. That matters not!! They just say what they want, when they want, and how they want!! They don't ever later come back and retract their pitifully false, inaccurate reports.. Nope, they just carry on to the next issue as if they never had even said the false bunk.. It's pathetic and it's no better than the rag tabloids!! Have they no accountability!!??! It certainly seems to me that they are not held accountable to anyone for ANYTHING.. therefor we can expect this type reporting to just continue and IMO will only escalate in their carelessness and absolute inaccurate reporting of the "news"!.. Again jmo, tho!!

Tell us how you really feel... :maddening: :wink:

 

[askfornina]

Yes, askforina I feel the same frustration as well and IMO the blame goes to both the network as well as the individual reporter Megyn Kelly.. Prior to this case I liked Megyn and for the most part respected her reporting(and actually have a relative that knows Megyn personally).. But the way she has chosen to handle and report this case IMO not only lowers her credibility, but IMO literally puts her reporting in the same exact category as the rag tabloids.. I don't get it at all why she(and i purposefully say "she" rather than the network.. Because MK has more than enough pull at Fox to report on a case the way she chooses or feels comfortable with)feels the need to put the "extra spin" in her reporting the Irwin case. I mean it's quite salacious all on it's own with the early admissions of heavily drinking.. But of course thats
just my opinion..

But as far as the 2 hour interview that we know that she did with parents several weeks ago and literally took that 2 hours worth of footage and cut and pasted it into 60-90second vignettes that she paired alongside Judge Janines totally edited with cuts and pastes footage from a couple weeks prior.. Then after showing the 60second blurbs back to back(that with one Megyn actually tells the viewers that DB then said.." Bla.. Bla.." After the video was over!!.. I was like, oh really? Well, if that's what DB said then why did u not just play us that part of video?.. Why would After a video clip would you then tell the viewer that DB made a certain statement??.. IT WAS EXTREMELY SHODDY AND MISLEADING REPORTING!!).. It was rag type reporting imo!! but most of all I, much like you really question where the remaining 1 hour and 40mins worth of footage from the interview with the parents is?!?!?.. And I've searched for it.. It's no where to be found as IMO they've not released it(as is SOP for any remaining raw footage..) The media outlet after using the edited out portions for their broadcast or article.. Then will release the raw footage on their websites for any/all who care to view it.. I find it extremely strange and odd that the teeny tiny percentage used out of the total of 2 hours of footage is still the only footage available from the extensive interview with Deborah and Jeremy..WTH??



Above BBM.. And this is precisely what I mean in my taking issue with Fox and its reporters regarding the Irwin case!!! It's truly as if they are taking what they feel, think, or just wanna say about this case and get on international broadcasts and say it!! Who cares if it's true, honest, *or accurate.. That matters not!! They just say what they want, when they want, and how they want!! They don't ever later come back and retract their pitifully false, inaccurate reports.. Nope, they just carry on to the next issue as if they never had even said the false bunk.. It's pathetic and it's no better than the rag tabloids!! Have they no accountability!!??! It certainly seems to me that they are not held accountable to anyone for ANYTHING.. therefor we can expect this type reporting to just continue and IMO will only escalate in their carelessness and absolute inaccurate reporting of the "news"!.. Again jmo, tho!!

awesome post!!! :thumb:

 

[AngelWings444]

Tell us how you really feel... :maddening: :wink:

I questioned MK's reporting since the beginning. I never believed LE told her DB failed the polygraph "miserably." IMO - LE has kept their mouths shut, have not released information to reporters, especially this one. I guess others, are now questioning her interviews and reporting. :waitasec:

I'll keep believing LE. Here's hoping the boys are re-interviewed and there is a break in the case, very soon. Lisa needs to be home for her 1st birthday. :banghead:

 

[Angelonline]

My daughter had a leapord print outfit almost identical to Baby Lisa's. This year early spring, I bought it at Family Dollar. I get a lot of her daycare clothes there, they are cute, cheap and it doesnt matter if she stains them. My daughter's was in size 24 months last spring, but they had it in sizes 12 months and up. I wish I had it or a pic of it now to compare, I am almost positive it is the same outfit.

 

[justamommy]

This has probably already been posted but I didn't find it so just in case:
Potential suspect profile submitted to FBI:
http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...te-potential-suspect-profile-submitted-to-fbi

Thanks for posting... That is a great article, very enlightening.

 

[RT51]

I had to take a LDT many years ago due to money missing at a job I worked at. I passed but they said I knew something. Basically I was suspicious of a fellow worker but never mentioned it as I couldn't prove it. Turns out it was a bank mistake and no one stole the money. So even though I didn't know anything, it still showed something.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I had to take a LDT many years ago due to money missing at a job I worked at. I passed but they said I knew something. Basically I was suspicious of a fellow worker but never mentioned it as I couldn't prove it. Turns out it was a bank mistake and no one stole the money. So even though I didn't know anything, it still showed something.

I was in an almost identical situation, and the LDT officer told me I failed my LDT although I knew I had not been involved. The problem with the first LDT was that his "questions" were more accusations than a question. I demanded a second LDT on the spot with questions w/o the overtones of accusations I was guilty. I passed the 2nd, the LDT officer apologized for the manner in which the first was conducted, but I stillhad to deal with the original officer who had accused me for months later b/c I could not walk out my door without him lurking in the shadows. I finally made a call to dispatch with threats of harrassment charges against the officer and he was told to stay away from me, or else. About 3 months later he was transferred.

 

[Donjeta]

Finding an outfit like one that Lisa had is so strange. I have to think a cruel hoax by someone - that photo has been seen alot. If it was someone in the family trying to throw the investigation that way - I don't think it would have been one "like" one that Lisa had - I think it would be the one.

It would be risky IMO. The house was searched and if the police have photographed her clothing it would look fishy if one of them then ended up in the woods weeks later.