GUILTY MT - Diren Dede, 17, shot to death, Missoula, 27 April 2014

  • #21
You have a point there.
There may be more to the story that only Kaarma would know.

LE should get a look at the footage of Dede in the garage via the monitor.
I'm still having a problem of what was Dede doing exactly in the garage with a flashlight ? Hardly the actions of an innocent person; imo.

However, if you chose to fire your gun at a burglar, and he/she dies... you still have a "whole lotta explaining " to do; imo. Laws vary from state to state , and one would think you could defend yourself from a burglar --- but the court may not side with you (the homeowner).

:moo:

Kaarma was defending his home and Montana is a Castle Law state.

Castle Doctrine

Montana has a castle law with a “stand-your-ground” clause. Under the law, the use of deadly force is permissible to prevent felonies from being committed in one’s home or to protect against assault within one’s home.

The statute reads:

45-3-103. Use of force in defense of occupied structure. (1) A person is justified in the use of force or threat to use force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that the use of force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry into or attack upon an occupied structure.

(2) A person justified in the use of force pursuant to subsection (1) is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm only if:

(a) the entry is made or attempted and the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent an assault upon the person or another then in the occupied structure; or

(b) the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony in the occupied structure.

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Montana-Gun-Laws.htm
 
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How sad. He could have just shut the garage door. There's no indication that this boy was the one who burgled the house before and used their credit cards. Now they are trying to say he is not mentally competent? Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, right? This guy is in all kinds of trouble, I hope he realizes how easy this would have been to avoid.

Kaarma's defense attorney acknowledged in a conversation with Fox News his client was experiencing some rage issues before the shooting. The legal team, which includes five attorneys, plans to bring in a doctor to make an assessment. The charging documents reference two separate road rage incidents involving Kaarma the day before the shooting. In both instances, witnesses say he was driving slowly in the neighborhood and suddenly swerved left or blocked the road, to keep drivers from passing him. The drivers described him as yelling profanities and gibberish. One said he had foam at the corners of his mouth.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/1...-student-killed-in-montana/?intcmp=latestnews
 
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Who leaves their garage door open after a B&E? I mean seriously, garage doors close and have locks.

Would an insurance company pay for valuables left in a purse in an open unlocked garage? I'd say most likely not.

If the garage was locked and then broken into - different story.

This homeowner was baiting....... and some poor kid lost his life because of it. I hope Kaarma is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
 
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Who leaves their garage door open after a B&E? I mean seriously, garage doors close and have locks.

Would an insurance company pay for valuables left in a purse in an open unlocked garage? I'd say most likely not.

If the garage was locked and then broken into - different story.

This homeowner was baiting....... and some poor kid lost his life because of it. I hope Kaarma is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


bottom line is ''bait'' proved too tempting to student....nonetheless the kid was the one who should have known better in the first place.
 
  • #28
bottom line is ''bait'' proved too tempting to student....nonetheless the kid was the one who should have known better in the first place.

But should he have gotten a death penalty for not knowing better? Teenagers do things sometimes that are not very smart. Should they be killed for it?
 
  • #29
But should he have gotten a death penalty for not knowing better? Teenagers do things sometimes that are not very smart. Should they be killed for it?

Couldn't agree more.

When people put property ahead of human life, well I simply don't understand it. I know that there are circumstances where people fear for the life, but this doesn't sound like one of them. If this family feared for the lives, why didn't they call the police instead of setting up a trap with the intention to kill??
 
  • #30
I don't see how a purse could be called "bait". He had to be all the way inside the garage breaking into the car before he saw the "bait". It's not like the car was parked on the street in broad daylight and you could see the purse.

An earlier article stated he was going in the garage after alcohol anyway - not the purse "bait" that was set up. We actually had that problem in our neighborhood too - kids learn which garages are usually open with fridges containing beer.

Sad.
 
  • #31
http://www.kpax.com/news/new-murder-trial-date-set-for-accused-missoula-garage-shooter/

It now looks like the trial of a Missoula man accused of fatally shooting a teenage foreign exchange student who broke into his garage will start before the end of the year...

Last week when Kaarma appeared before Judge Ed McLean, the trial date was set for January 5th. However, on Monday that was reset to Dec. 1 after the judge and attorneys were able to work out new arrangements for a courtroom where the case can be heard.
 
  • #32
I don't see how a purse could be called "bait". He had to be all the way inside the garage breaking into the car before he saw the "bait". It's not like the car was parked on the street in broad daylight and you could see the purse.

An earlier article stated he was going in the garage after alcohol anyway - not the purse "bait" that was set up. We actually had that problem in our neighborhood too - kids learn which garages are usually open with fridges containing beer.

Sad.

Not sure they meant that the purse was just the bait. The whole situation regarding the open garage set up to catch someone in the act of stealing would be considered baiting a criminal. jmo
 
  • #33
http://www.kpax.com/news/latest-developments-in-missoula-garage-shooter-s-murder-trial/

Markus Kaarma's attorneys filed the motion to seal any of Kaarma's "prior bad acts" last week, and on Friday Judge Ed McLean granted the motion...

The court affidavit states that Great Clips stylists told detectives Kaarma was angry at teenagers he thought were burglarizing his garage. He allegedly told one of the stylists, "I'm going to (expletive) kill ‘em"...

Kaarma's trial is still scheduled for Dec. 1.
 
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http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...g-Girlfriend-details-home-defense-5936877.php

The girlfriend of a Montana man accused of killing a German exchange student in his garage testified that she kept a baseball bat with her while he kept a shotgun nearby after their home had been burglarized twice in the days before the fatal shooting...

She said she planned to use it to hold intruders at bay and said she thought that was Kaarma's thinking about the gun. "I think the way he looked at it was same way I looked at the baseball bat," Pflager said. "'I have this bat; you're going to listen to what I say'... I thought it was a scare thing."
 
  • #38
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...rder-trial-exchange-student-article-1.2033894

Martin testified that it was common knowledge that some area teens went garage hopping late at night in Missoula. He and Staber had been convicted of stealing a wallet, marijuana, alcohol and an iPhone from Kaarma’s garage about a week before Dede was shot. Staber said he acted as lookout while Martin stole the items.

“I was the previous break-in,” Martin said, his voice at times barely audible. “I’m the reason he (Kaarma) was waiting for another person.”
 
  • #39
I happen to live in the same neighborhood where this murder took place. Mr. Markus Kaarma, the killer has many physiological problems, some of which have been highlighted during the trial. We moved into the neighborhood 13 years ago and right away it was brought to our attention that kids, "Garage Hop." Over the years we were well aware kids would go from garage to garage and help themselves to whatever alcohol was available in unlocked garages. Never did we notice or hear any homeowners upset if any alcohol was missing. I always found this acceptance by the other homeowners as odd, to say the least. We never have left any alcohol or valuables in our garage and we have never had a problem. But them we actually keep our garage doors locked and the garage doors down, unless our kids are outside playing or me or my husband is working on a project in the garage. I refinish antique furniture and I have never experienced a problem nor do I notice car suspicious car loads of teenagers perusing the neighborhood (more on that in a minute.)

Two young men that testified in court on Thursday, both boys have admitted to and have been found guilty of stealing booze, cannabis, a bong and an IPhone, on during two other "break-ins" at the Kaarma garage. One of these young men attended elementary, middle school and was attending high school with my son. This young man clearly knew where our home was located and never targeted us or our home. Also, the two boys that were arrested and convicted of the break-ins did not live in the neighborhood but actually lived across town. If you drive up the street where the Kaarma home is located (their house is at the bottom of a cul-de-sac, you will notice every house if not every other house has a basketball hoop in the driveway. This neighborhood is full of kids of all ages. Kaama's partner, who also testified this week (she turned out to be a laughing stock of the trial thus far) claimed she chased random cars full of teenagers through the subdivision out on to the main road (which is extremely busy, narrow, winding and full of blind spots; leading directly out of a treacherous mountain road.) After cutting off one car load of kids, she got out of her car and approached the kids yelling and ranting and raving that the kids were up to "no good" and were stealing from her house. All of the kids lived in the neighborhood and my son was one of passengers in the car, which the kids were on their way to track practice. Mr Kaarma's partner called the kids a dirty name, she claims she only called the kids "wieners" and proceeded to drive away in her car (with her baby strapped into a car seat) at a high rate of speed, while her car was veering into on-coming traffic.

In my opinion, Kaarma and his partner were targeted by many kids in and outside of the neighborhood. Both Kaarma and his baby mommy acted foolish on many, many occasions. Yesterday in testimony the man that was hired by contract to provide exterminator services for the Kaarma home, testified Kaarma pulled a loaded gun on him when he showed up and was spraying the property. Kaarma showed up outside, naked, and cocked his gun at the service provider. Kaarma never apologized when the man explained who he was and why he was there. Kaarma told him he was "lucky" he didn't shoot him.

There is much more to this story and it is very sad. We, who live in the neighborhood, knew stories would come to light of the harassment Kaarma and his partner had pulled on many people living in our great community. They had only lived in our little oasis for less than a year before Diren Dede was killed. I will also add the host family to Diren and the other exchange student, (who was the boy with Diren when he was killed,) are lovely, wonderful people who were clearly devastated by what happened to their exchange student son(s) and to the place they called home.
 
  • #40
It sounds like this guy was paranoid but never locked his garage. He planned this.
 

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