GUILTY MT - Diren Dede, 17, shot to death, Missoula, 27 April 2014

  • #41
I happen to live in the same neighborhood where this murder took place. Mr. Markus Kaarma, the killer has many physiological problems, some of which have been highlighted during the trial. We moved into the neighborhood 13 years ago and right away it was brought to our attention that kids, "Garage Hop." Over the years we were well aware kids would go from garage to garage and help themselves to whatever alcohol was available in unlocked garages. Never did we notice or hear any homeowners upset if any alcohol was missing. I always found this acceptance by the other homeowners as odd, to say the least. We never have left any alcohol or valuables in our garage and we have never had a problem. But them we actually keep our garage doors locked and the garage doors down, unless our kids are outside playing or me or my husband is working on a project in the garage. I refinish antique furniture and I have never experienced a problem nor do I notice car suspicious car loads of teenagers perusing the neighborhood (more on that in a minute.)

Two young men that testified in court on Thursday, both boys have admitted to and have been found guilty of stealing booze, cannabis, a bong and an IPhone, on during two other "break-ins" at the Kaarma garage. One of these young men attended elementary, middle school and was attending high school with my son. This young man clearly knew where our home was located and never targeted us or our home. Also, the two boys that were arrested and convicted of the break-ins did not live in the neighborhood but actually lived across town. If you drive up the street where the Kaarma home is located (their house is at the bottom of a cul-de-sac, you will notice every house if not every other house has a basketball hoop in the driveway. This neighborhood is full of kids of all ages. Kaama's partner, who also testified this week (she turned out to be a laughing stock of the trial thus far) claimed she chased random cars full of teenagers through the subdivision out on to the main road (which is extremely busy, narrow, winding and full of blind spots; leading directly out of a treacherous mountain road.) After cutting off one car load of kids, she got out of her car and approached the kids yelling and ranting and raving that the kids were up to "no good" and were stealing from her house. All of the kids lived in the neighborhood and my son was one of passengers in the car, which the kids were on their way to track practice. Mr Kaarma's partner called the kids a dirty name, she claims she only called the kids "wieners" and proceeded to drive away in her car (with her baby strapped into a car seat) at a high rate of speed, while her car was veering into on-coming traffic.

In my opinion, Kaarma and his partner were targeted by many kids in and outside of the neighborhood. Both Kaarma and his baby mommy acted foolish on many, many occasions. Yesterday in testimony the man that was hired by contract to provide exterminator services for the Kaarma home, testified Kaarma pulled a loaded gun on him when he showed up and was spraying the property. Kaarma showed up outside, naked, and cocked his gun at the service provider. Kaarma never apologized when the man explained who he was and why he was there. Kaarma told him he was "lucky" he didn't shoot him.

There is much more to this story and it is very sad. We, who live in the neighborhood, knew stories would come to light of the harassment Kaarma and his partner had pulled on many people living in our great community. They had only lived in our little oasis for less than a year before Diren Dede was killed. I will also add the host family to Diren and the other exchange student, (who was the boy with Diren when he was killed,) are lovely, wonderful people who were clearly devastated by what happened to their exchange student son(s) and to the place they called home.

Welcome fellow Missoulian!

Thank you for sharing the story about your son being one of the kids in the car that the partner chased a few days before the shooting. I'm glad that your son survived one of this couple's psychotic/paranoid episodes and lived to tell about it. Kaarma's partner's testimony was all over the place from the live updates I read on Twitter. After hearing all that has come out at the trial so far, she should consider herself lucky she wasn't charged too. Kaarma should have pleaded this out or tried for an insanity defense because things do not look good for him right now.

I actually know a few of the attorney's representing Kaarma. I was kind of shocked that he hired them as his defense team because they usually handle DUI's, and have never done a murder trial or even a murder case before. One of the attorney's they brought in has done some murder cases, but none of the others have to my knowledge.

I can confirm that kids do garage hop for alcohol in this city. About 10 years ago when I was 20, I was living in town but had moved in with some friends and was out of my parent's house. One day my mom confronted me and asked me if I took a case of beer from their garage because she had just bought it and then all of a sudden a day or two later it was missing. I definitely did not steal their alcohol, as I had no trouble getting alcohol at that point in my life, having plenty of friends that were of age by then. After that incident they were more mindful of leaving the garage door open, and not surprisingly, this never happened again to them.
 
  • #42
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/st...testimony-montana-man-edge-shooting/20005677/

Michael McMillan said he came to Markus Kaarma's Missoula home April 23 to spray for insects. While he was setting up for work, he said an angry Kaarma came to the front door naked, pointed a shotgun at him and asked what he was doing there...

Earlier testimony also indicated Kaarma had been on edge at the time and had exhibited some erratic behavior...

Jurors on Friday also heard audio tapes of Pflager talking with police in the hours after the shooting. She told officers that Dede had pleaded for his life, saying, "No, no, no, no, please!" She testified that Dede did not say anything and that she was "rambling" to officers because she was traumatized.
 
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We moved into the neighborhood 13 years ago and right away it was brought to our attention that kids, "Garage Hop." Over the years we were well aware kids would go from garage to garage and help themselves to whatever alcohol was available in unlocked garages.

Wow. Really?

Sounds like a very strange neighborhood. Helping oneself to the liquor in their parents cabinet is one thing, but frequently stealing from strangers? If that is common practice I am surprised there haven't been a rash of poisonings.
 
  • #46
Wow. Really?

Sounds like a very strange neighborhood. Helping oneself to the liquor in their parents cabinet is one thing, but frequently stealing from strangers? If that is common practice I am surprised there haven't been a rash of poisonings.

I assume you're talking about alcohol poisoning? Usually there is only beer to steal from a garage, which would be a lot harder to get alcohol poisoning from.

ETA: And it's not just that neighborhood either, it happens all over town. The neighborhood this happened in (Grant Creek area) is actually considered one of the nicer ones of Missoula, and it's more on the outskirts of town. The story I told in a previous post about my parent's getting hit by garage hoppers happened on the opposite end of town in what's called Lower Miller Creek which is also considered a good neighborhood.
 
  • #47
http://flatheadbeacon.com/2014/12/08/medical-examiner-german-students-death-homicide/

A German high school student could have survived an initial shot to the arm by a Montana man but was killed by a subsequent gunshot wound to the head, a state medical examiner testified Monday in the man’s murder trial...

“Properly treated he would have survived that wound,” Dale said of the arm injury. “Essentially he was brain dead upon sustaining these brain wounds”...

Jurors saw video of multiple shotgun pellet holes in the home, including one that hit a bottle of cooking oil in the kitchen pantry. Kaarma’s baby was inside the home at the time.
 
  • #48
I assume you're talking about alcohol poisoning? Usually there is only beer to steal from a garage, which would be a lot harder to get alcohol poisoning from.

No, I meant poisoning (ipecac syrup or worse in liquor bottles).

I can't believe folks would actually tolerate theft of that nature, though I suppose SOME parents might provide their underage teens with beer and then avoid the possible legal consequences by claiming "Oh they must have taken it from the garage without permission".
 
  • #49
No, I meant poisoning (ipecac syrup or worse in liquor bottles).

I can't believe folks would actually tolerate theft of that nature, though I suppose SOME parents might provide their underage teens with beer and then avoid the possible legal consequences by claiming "Oh they must have taken it from the garage without permission".

What you are suggesting is not lost on me. I am sitting here slack jawed that this is considered ''normal teenaged behavior'' .
Stealing is just not cool and thinking that this is ''acceptable'' hijinx is just not sitting well with me. Am amazed that this is even a topic....MOO....I thought ''thou shalt not steal '' was pretty much universal.
 
  • #50
No, I meant poisoning (ipecac syrup or worse in liquor bottles).

I can't believe folks would actually tolerate theft of that nature, though I suppose SOME parents might provide their underage teens with beer and then avoid the possible legal consequences by claiming "Oh they must have taken it from the garage without permission".

I'm not sure where you got the idea that it's tolerated here, I just said it happens. Being burglarized on any level is a terrible feeling, but the answer is to shut and lock your doors so it doesn't happen again. The answer is NOT to set a trap so you can murder the next person that enters your garage.
 
  • #51
Markus Kaarma is clearly guilty and I hope they find him guilty. He would have never been in this mess if he would have stayed inside and called 911.

JMO
 
  • #52
Markus Kaarma is clearly guilty and I hope they find him guilty. He would have never been in this mess if he would have stayed inside and called 911.

JMO

ITA. He would have had no reason to call 911 if he just shut his garage door. He belongs in prison.
 
  • #53
Thou shall not KILL is also universal.
 
  • #54
http://www.newsoptimist.ca/news/int...an-exchange-student-shot-in-montana-1.1657098

Neighbours of the Montana man who fatally shot a German exchange student testified at the man's murder trial Tuesday that the man's girlfriend told them the couple planned to bait intruders in order to catch them in their garage...

"Yeah, we're going to bait them in and use baby monitors to catch them," Bracey recalled Pflager saying, adding the baby monitors would show live video of the garage and if anyone had ventured inside. "The term was bait. I know because it stuck in my head"...

Kaarma's next-door neighbour testified Tuesday that on the night of the first burglary, he heard Pflager threaten the people who answered his stolen cellphone. "If you return to our garage you could be killed," Terry Fink said Pflager told them. "It was jaw dropping to me at the time."
 
  • #55
Thou shall not KILL is also universal.

Really? Generally it is something like "thou shall not kill" unless you are at war, unless they have committed certain offenses, unless they threaten you, etc...

This shooting certainly does NOT sound justified but many most certainly ARE.
 
  • #56
Really? Generally it is something like "thou shall not kill" unless you are at war, unless they have committed certain offenses, unless they threaten you, etc...

This shooting certainly does NOT sound justified but many most certainly ARE.

I cannot understand what you are attempting to convey.
 
  • #57
I cannot understand what you are attempting to convey.

The fact that "Thou shalt not kill" is hardly universal, least of all for the individuals that coined the phrase.
 
  • #58
http://news.yahoo.com/detective-tes...eliberately-shot-student-death-050011750.html

Evidence from the scene indicated Dede was wounded by a shotgun blast to the arm and moved from one side of the garage to the other, taking cover behind a Buick with hunting equipment on top, Missoula police Detective Guy Baker said.

Baker testified in the week-old trial Kaarma could not have shot and struck Dede over that obstacle, and that he repositioned himself to deliver the fatal blast to Dede's head.

The detective cited ballistic evidence, which showed a change in trajectory and height of the final shot compared to three previous blasts.
 
  • #59
The fact that "Thou shalt not kill" is hardly universal, least of all for the individuals that coined the phrase.

Not a coined phrase, check the Bible or the Torah.

Obviously, your brilliance is beyond my comprehension.

Going forward it is best for me to ignore comments I simply cannot understand.


Happy Holidays.
 
  • #60
http://www.ktvq.com/news/911-call-police-interview-heard-at-kaarma-murder-trial/

Jurors in the Markus Kaarma deliberate homicide trial heard jail house phone conversations between Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager during Thursday's testimony.

The two talked about media coverage of the case, Kaarma's experiences while in jail - and his opinion of 17-year-old Diren Dede, who Kaarma shot to death in his garage...

Jurors also watched Kaarma's first police interview with one of the lead investigators taking the stand, and he testified Kaarma's initial interview has cast some doubt on what happened the night of the shooting.
 

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