Found Deceased MT - Rita Maze, 47, Wolf Creek, 6 Sept 2016 #1

[Gardener1850]

By the same token, why would somebody kidnap her, drive her in the trunk of the car for hours, not even take her cash, and then kill her? It would be a very unusual crime to say the least.

The police found her 5 minutes after hearing gun shots. They may have approached with sirens and lights on. Maybe he shot her, heard sirens and ran off before he could grab anything out of the car. Maybe his motive was not the money or a robbery but something else--on the run from another crime or a sexual assault but he didn't have time to do that because he found her talking to the police. I can think of a lot of maybes for every scenario.

 

[blue22]

yes, at most big gas stations in the modwest, you can purchse up to $25 on your card in the store area without your PIN

I'm in the south, but you can choose credit for any amount here. No ID is asked for.

 

[Gardener1850]

One doesn't need a pin number with a credit card.

I'm not sure if it was a credit card or debit card. But even if it's a credit card, purchases over a certain amount can require signatures or ID as well. Some banks even flag accounts if you make a purchase too high and outside your normal purchase area (out of state or out of country).

 

[Inthedetails]

Trajectory of the gun shots will give answers, imo. Forensics will be able to figure out where the gun was when it was shot and that will indicate if it was someone standing above her or if it was Rita herself.

imo

 

[Gardener1850]

That's assuming she really thought it through. If she was in such a dark mental place, that she really did this...I'm not sure she would have space for that logic. It seems to me, her thoughts were to create a suspect and the rest was a complete impulsive mess. JMO

So in your scenario, she was logical and rational for just long enough to find a man to use her card at two convenience stores in two different states 126 miles away from each other but she was not rational enough to think the rest through? I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense to me. YMMV. MOO.

 

[jjenny]

So in your scenario, she was logical and rational for just long enough to find a man to use her card at two convenience stores in two different states 126 miles away from each other but she was not rational enough to think the rest through? I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense to me. YMMV. MOO.

So far we don't know if the same man used the card at two stores.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not sure if it was a credit card or debit card. But even if it's a credit card, purchases over a certain amount can require signatures or ID as well. Some banks even flag accounts if you make a purchase too high and outside your normal purchase area (out of state or out of country).

There was a female's name on the car and yet man was using it. Regardless of the amount, he could have been asked to show ID.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

My thought last night was suicide with a staged abduction. Now that we have a man fitting the description on video using her card, I'm not so sure. If I were in her place and faking an abduction I would be extremely vague on the description of the abductor. He hit me from behind and I didn't see his face and I have no idea of his height. I wouldn't want innocent people profiled because of my lie. I certainly wouldn't give an innocent man my card to use in order to frame him for murder. But then again I'm logical and someone in despair might not be.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm not sure if it was a credit card or debit card. But even if it's a credit card, purchases over a certain amount can require signatures or ID as well. Some banks even flag accounts if you make a purchase too high and outside your normal purchase area (out of state or out of country).

The rule at the store might not have had a limit but if you don't know for sure you don't risk it. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

So in your scenario, she was logical and rational for just long enough to find a man to use her card at two convenience stores in two different states 126 miles away from each other but she was not rational enough to think the rest through? I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense to me. YMMV. MOO.

The credit card thing could've been spur of the moment. Perhaps she didn't have a specific plan, but was in distress and at some point during the day latched onto the idea of telling her family she was carjacked to explain her absence and give her some time to find a place to finish her task (and I hate writing that). Maybe it doesn't seem well planned because it wasn't.

jmo

 

[blue22]

So in your scenario, she was logical and rational for just long enough to find a man to use her card at two convenience stores in two different states 126 miles away from each other but she was not rational enough to think the rest through? I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense to me. YMMV. MOO.

There was no word (that I've read, correct me if I'm wrong) that one man used her card at both stores. I think she got a guy to use her card, which takes very little thought. I don't think any of it is rational. It doesn't make sense, because people don't have a lot of sense if they are so bad off to make these choices.

 

[Gardener1850]

There was a female's name on the car and yet man was using it. Regardless of the amount, he could have been asked to show ID.

True. But no one really hands a card to a clerk anymore though, KWIM?

 

[blue22]

There was a female's name on the car and yet man was using it. Regardless of the amount, he could have been asked to show ID.

This is strange to me. We are NEVER asked for ID anywhere we travel in the US, except Disney. Card machines take a swipe without anyone seeing the name. I didn't even know asking for ID was a thing still.

Do you get asked for ID a lot? (Genuine question.)

 

[jjenny]

This is strange to me. We are NEVER asked for ID anywhere we travel in the US, except Disney. Card machines take a swipe without anyone seeing the name. I didn't even know asking for ID was a thing still.

Do you get asked for ID a lot? (Genuine question.)

Not a lot but every now and then. Amount doesn't seem to have anything to do with whether I am asked or not.

 

[eucalyptuz]

I guess one of two things will happen tomorrow:
-The Daily Mail will issue a mea culpa (or just edit after the fact) to reflect that the guy in the still shot is the same guy that the police have eliminated as unrelated and not a POI.
OR
-LE will reveal that they are investigating the DM's lead.
my money is on option 1

My feelings about the Daily Mail are mixed: Yes, they often seem to pull together the full story with lots and lots of pics, sometimes a useful map and, bless them, a timeline...which we just love! I just think that sometimes they are a little too hasty to rush to publish at the expense of fact-checking and they often later edit their 'facts' within a story without reflecting the retraction or mistake from the original text.
With that said, I think the Daily Mail does not have the same resources and legal clout as the LE offices of a few states plus help from the FBI and so I am really not sure why they are choosing to print the image of this guy as if it is a 'scoop' and as if the police have not already seen and discounted this image for whatever reasons they have.
-Right now, the only way I can believe that another party was involved in Rita's road trip is if this information comes from police at a press conference or if new traffic cam or third party footage is found. The police have surely followed through on the places it has been confirmed she has visited.

As an aside, and thinking back to a previous case...A passing thought of an assisted suicide entered my head this weekend as I know there are organizations (and probably some less scrupulous "guns-for-hire) out there that, for a fee, can help with exiting the world (and concealing the fact of suicide). I think the possibility of Rita enlisting the help of someone for this purpose and the day playing out the way it did is extremely unlikely...

 

[Gardener1850]

So far we don't know if the same man used the card at two stores.

There was no word (that I've read, correct me if I'm wrong) that one man used her card at both stores. I think she got a guy to use her card, which takes very little thought. I don't think any of it is rational. It doesn't make sense, because people don't have a lot of sense if they are so bad off to make these choices.

True. What will you say if the Daily mail releases video of the same man at both stores though? If he's not at the first store, she would have had to make up the story once she passed the Idaho store where she would have already used the card herself. Maybe she wasn't thinking rationally and panicked when she called her husband but I just can't see her knowing she made a purchase on video in Kingston, ID and then deciding last minute to frame an innocent man for her abduction by the time she got to Ritzville. JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Police already have the same video so they don't need DM's lead (that is according to DM itself-police got the video from the gas station before DM did).

 

[Inthedetails]

This is strange to me. We are NEVER asked for ID anywhere we travel in the US, except Disney. Card machines take a swipe without anyone seeing the name. I didn't even know asking for ID was a thing still.

Do you get asked for ID a lot? (Genuine question.)

I can't even remember the last time I was asked for ID. I can't even remember handing my card to a clerk in recent times- it's all swiping now. In some stores, for purchases under $25, they don't even ask you to sign - a swipe of the card is enough.

 

[jjenny]

I can't even remember the last time I was asked for ID. I can't even remember handing my card to a clerk in recent times- it's all swiping now. In some stores, for purchases under $25, they don't even ask you to sign - a swipe of the card is enough.

I have been asked quite recently (and it wasn't for a large purchase either). Surprised me because most places don't ask.

 

[bluesneakers]

This is strange to me. We are NEVER asked for ID anywhere we travel in the US, except Disney. Card machines take a swipe without anyone seeing the name. I didn't even know asking for ID was a thing still.

Do you get asked for ID a lot? (Genuine question.)

Same here, and my husband has used my cards to buy stuff. Sometimes with a PIN, sometimes with a signature, sometimes neither.

I know I've been asked for ID but rarely. In fact I have no idea when or where.

Maybe the amount had nothing to do with whether or not he would be able to use the card. Maybe it was how much she needed or how much she had available.